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About this How-To:


If you want to have more stopping power, it would be a good thing to have rear disc brakes as part of your setup. Unfortunately, unless you have a 99-00 Civic Si, you are out of luck. Here you will see how I converted the 99 project hybrid Civics' rear drums to discs. I would like to add a few things. First, I did not end up changing the master cylinder (even though I bought it) over to the Civic Si's because of time constraints. The sizes are nearly identical on the 6th gen Civic EX (may also be on the 5th gen Ex's) however on any other model it should be considered mandatory that the master cylinder be changed otherwise your rear disks COULD lock up if you hit the brakes during a turn causing you to spin out. I would also like to say that halfway through doing the mod, it started pouring and the rain was getting in my garage so we got a little lazy with the camera and didn't take as many pics as I would have liked. Also a note for the install, I didn't think about it until I was halfway through the install that I received the wrong rear stainless steel brake lines. I got the kit for a Civic EX even though I ordered the one for the Si and I had to use the lines that are for the front brakes on the rear instead so as of this writing I have the stock rubber lines on the front and the steel (front) lines on the back. They will be replaced shortly. I would rate this as a medium difficulty install. Expect to spend half the day or more.



Tools Needed:

Socket Wrench

Sockets from 8mm-22mm (not all are needed, but you should have them all available)

Wrenches from 8mm-22mm (not all are needed, but you should have them all available)

Short and long extensions

Impact Driver

Jack

Jack Stands

Phillips head screwdriver

Brake Bleeding Kit Or clear hose that will fit on the bleed screw

Needle Nose Pliers

Medium flat head screwdriver

Brake cleaner

Brake Quiet spray



Parts Needed:

Rear trailing arms including rotors/calipers from 99-00 Civic Si, 94-01 Integra, or Del Sol

99-00 Civic Si E-Brake cables

99-00 Civic Si/94-01 Integra Honda OEM rear brake pads

99-00 Civic Si proportioning valve

99-00 Civic Si 15/16 master cylinder (not 100% necessary for EX models)

99-00 Civic Si/ 94-01 Integra rear brake lines

1 liter of brake fluid (I recommend ATE Super Blue Race fluid, read more info about it here



Optional Parts:

Speed Bleeders (order the ones for your cars for the front brakes and the ones for the car that the new rears came from for the back)Stainless steel braided brake lines (order the kit for the 99-00 Civic Si)
 
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#2 · (Edited)
Now the “How To” part:

Start off by removing the rotors from the trailing arms. Do this by removing the heat shields, they are held in by two 10mm bolts. Next, unbolt the calipers 2x12mm and the caliper brackets 2x14mm. Use a Impact Driver (about 10-20 bucks at any auto parts store) to remove the two disc retaining screws. DO NOT use a regular screwdriver because it will almost always strip the head of the retaining screws. Now take the rotors and have them turned to make sure that they are within spec. If it turns out that they are to thin to turn, I would suggest buying Powerslot rotors because they are not very much more than the AutoZone/pep boys price of 66 dollars for the set (power slot are only 99 for the set). And the Powerslot rotors will give you better stopping.


Here is a picture of all the parts that are needed for the brake swap (there are some pictured that aren't needed but I chose to get anyway)
 
#3 · (Edited)
Start by putting your car up on jack stands. I recommend putting all four corners on the stands for easier brake bleeding later. Jack stands are cheap anyway so why not? Remove the wheels.



From the inside of the car, remove the armrest by removing the six Phillips head screws. When unscrewed, the armrest will come off by pulling toward the rear of the car.


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Now, remove the two bolts that hold the E-Brake cables in place. Disconnect the cables from the E-Brake handle. It will be easier if you unscrew the adjusting bolt before disconnecting the cable. P.S. make sure the E-Brake is not engaged.



Pull back the carpet from the back seat and push the two rubber seals down through the holes where the cables come in.
 
#4 · (Edited)
We are now going to remove the brake fluid from the system. Loosen the bleeder screw from one side and attach a bleeder hose to it. Put the other end in a bucket or other container. Open the cap for the master cylinder and pump the brakes until no more fluid is coming out of the bleeder hose.




Remove the brake line at the point where it connects to the hard line (unnumbered arrow) you will need to unscrew the line and then remove the retaining clip. Position a jack underneath the lower control arm so that it doesn't fall on your foot when you unbolt it. Now remove the bolts for the trailing arm as numbered (I took pics of these while reassembling, scroll down and check them out to see some of these locations). Number one is the compensator arm (short piece that attaches the trailing arm to the chassis) remove the bolt at the point that connects to the chassis 1x10mm. Two is where the bushing that goes through the trailing arm attaches to the chassis 2x12mm. Three is where the lower control arm meets the trailing arm 1x10mm. Four is the where the shock meets the lower control arm 1x10mm. And 5 is where the upper control arm meets the trailing arm 1x10mm.





Lower the jack and place the trailing arm on the ground. Now you will need to remove the old E-Brake cable. Remove the bolts pictured. Remove the old trailing arm and set it off to the side. Reinstall the new cables just like you removed them. NOTE: when installing the cable, make sure to run the line over the gas tank strap not underneath it. Press the rubber seal on the cable into the opening of the chassis until it seats firmly.



 
#5 · (Edited)
Now we get onto the rear brake line. Install it just as the old one was. If you are installing steel lines, you will not be reinstalling the clip because it comes with a retaining bolt instead.



Use the brake cleaner spray to give the calipers and hub assembly a quick cleaning. You don't have to go crazy (unless you really want). Just make sure that any dirt that may cause binding or sticking is cleaned off. Now fit the rotor onto the hub and use a Phillips head screwdriver to install the two retaining screws into the rotor. You only have to snug them in. Reattach the caliper bracket. Note from pic, I put the cardboard there to protect the bottom of the rotor from the ground.




Before installing the new pads, apply some brake quiet to the pad side of the pad shims. After a couple of minutes, place the shim on the pad backing and install the pads. The pad with the silver tab on it (wear indicator) goes on the backside of the rotor.
 
#6 · (Edited)
Before installing the caliper onto the caliper bracket, you will need to expand the piston. Do this by placing a flat head screwdriver in the cross slot and turning clockwise. The piston will retract. Make sure that the rubber boot around the piston does not bind. If it starts to bind or twist, stop and spray some brake cleaner on it and then try again. You will want to stop when the piston is almost flush with the rubber boot. Make sure that the piston is aligned with one of the slots facing down like in the pic. The pad has a nub that fits into this slot.





Since you will most likely be getting the trailing arms from a junkyard, they will probably have cut the old E-Brake cables and brake lines (if not your can reuse the old ones) You will now need to remove the old E-Brake cables from the calipers, There are one or two bolt that hold the cable to the trailing arm and a retaining clip where the cable goes through a bracket. Also remove the end of the cable from the caliper by removing the retaining clip from the retaining pin on the end of the cable (middle arrow). Save the retaining clips and pin. Remove the brake line by unscrewing the banjo bolt. Make sure that both washers come out. Reinstall Caliper onto the caliper mounting bracket. Make sure to not get any old brake fluid on the rotor.
 
#95 · (Edited)
Before installing the caliper onto the caliper bracket, you will need to expand the piston. Do this by placing a flat head screwdriver in the cross slot and turning clockwise. The piston will retract. Make sure that the rubber boot around the piston does not bind. If it starts to bind or twist, stop and spray some brake cleaner on it and then try again. You will want to stop when the piston is almost flush with the rubber boot. Make sure that the piston is aligned with one of the slots facing down like in the pic. The pad has a nub that fits into this slot.





great post the this is the only thing i would change if the rubber boot were to start and bind i would back off the caliper and put some lithium grease on the boot instead of the brake clean (this will eat slowly at your boot) and you dont want to rebuild these calipers in another year
 
#7 · (Edited)
You now need to reassemble the trailing arm in the reverse order. Start by placing it on a jack and jacking it up until your can install the bolt into the upper control arm.


Next, reinstall the bolt for the shock and where the lower control arm meets the trailing arm.




Install the compensator arm bolt, install it in as near the same position as it came out (you'll be able to tell because there will be a clean area where the bolt came out.


Install the two bolts that hold the trailing arm to the chassis. Now route the E-Brake cable through the trailing arm attach the mounting brackets. The cable will need to go through the hole on the trailing arm nearest the front of the car and the rubber ball on the cable will sit in the second hole. Attach the cable end to the caliper and insert the retaining pin and clip.
 
#8 · (Edited)
Attach the rear brake lines mounting bracket to the bracket on the trailing arm. After cleaning the banjo bolt and washers (replace if needed) attach the rear brake line to the caliper. If you purchased the speed bleeders, install the one for the caliper your working on now. Just unscrew the old one and screw the new on in until it is hand snug. Repeat this process for the other side of the car.



Now to switch the proportioning valve. Follow the sequence shown in the picture to remove the lines.


Next remove the two mounting bolts. Installation is the reverse of removal. In some cases (like mine) it may be a real pain to get the lower mounting bolt in. If this happens you can leave it out as there won’t be much movement going on here anyway.




Now it is time to bleed the brakes. If you are using the Speed Bleeders, One at a time, loosen the bleed screw about 1-2 turns and attach the bleed hose to it with the other end in a bottle, or bleed cup. Set the container on top of the disk or caliper so that it is above the level of the bleeder screw (this just makes it easier to determine when there is no longer bubbles coming out of the system. Now fill the master cylinder and pump the brakes until no more air bubbles are coming out of the system. Make sure to check and fill the master cylinder ever 10-15 pumps to make sure that the fluid level isn't to low to let more air into the system. Tighten screw and go on to the next one. Do this for all four calipers. When finished, fill the master cylinder to the max level and replace the lid. If you are not using Speed Bleeders, do the same as above except put some fluid in the bottle or bleed cup so that there is fluid abbot the end of the hose (this will create a one way valve) now while someone pumps the brakes, watch for air bubbles. When there are no more bubbles tighten the bleed screw and proceed to the next one. Replace the two rear brake heat shields.

Reinstall the wheels and lower the car off of the jack stands. You will now need to adjust the E-Brake. Reinstall the cable ends the same way that they were removed. Replace both retaining bolts. The middle screw is an adjusting screw, you will want to adjust the parking brake until it is fully engaged at about 6-10 clicks.



This is now what you have.




Now that you are finished, you will need to test drive the car. You will first make sure that the parking brake is working by engaging it and (with the car in neutral) try pushing the car (or if you are on an incline, let the car slowly roll and engage the parking brake, it should stop the car. If not, put the car in gear and readjust the cable.) Start the car and go for a very slow drive. Go about 10 mph and make sure that the brakes stop the car. if everything seems to be working, go about 25-30 mph and make sure that the brakes are stopping the car. They will feel a little different than the old drums, if the brakes feel spongy, there is a good chance that the brakes were not bleed completely, if this happens, rebreed the brakes. Now that you are done the most important thing is to get an alignment. By doing this swap you will have thrown off the rear thrust angle which will make your car feel very loose in the rear and could potentially cause a wreck. I have not yet installed the master cylinder. If I end up installing it, I will add that to this install. [/font]



More “How to’s” here! http://www.hazone.com/hhowto.htm

More on where I got this "How to" here http://www.hazone.com/hdiscswap.htm

Thanks to Kommon Sense for the sites!
 
#9 ·
Awesome post! The pictures don't seem to match up with the text in some places... am I seeing something wrong?

From what I remember, a good way to set your emergency brake is to have the car on jack stands... spin your rear wheels. Then pull the e-brake up ONE click and see if the wheels start to stop... meaning there should be some drag on it. Adjust the e-brake until there is drag and then disengage the ebrake. Spin the wheels again and they should be free... if not readjust the other way a little.
 
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#11 ·
That would have been super handyt for when I did mine 6 months ago - the worst part of the swap (95 ex swapped w/ teg rear discs used crx porportioning valve) was the porportioning valve - there was no room at all to get at it and even though I had my 10mm wrench the damned thing still stripped those brass break line nuts... bad ass post!
 
#16 ·
question did u just swap over the hub assembly or did u use the whole rear trailing arm assembly? i cant seem to tell

i did it with the whole rear assembly and it bolted strait up no problems at all. took about 2 hours to do with 2 people. i havent changed the proportioning valve as ive drivent it for about 5000km and done some really hard breaking and havent had the rears lock up yet.

great write up though.

just make sure u readjust the E-brake after driving for a couple of weeks this gives the disc's and pads time to bed in and settle.

Makku thats the method i used for setting the e brake works a charm and is really simple.
 
#22 ·
i wonder what would be used for the 7th gen civic...hmmmm
 
#24 ·
Nice write up! Stupid noob question time....... So will this write up work for a 94 DX HB as well? or will I need to use different parts? Also where did you get all the parts and roughly how much did it cost? (not including the SS braided lines and speed bleeders)
 
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