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Just got a gun pulled on my by Tacoma PD for that phrase above. We were both walking out of a store back to our cars.

That's it, I was just trying to make conversation. With how villanized they are today, I thought it would be a kind gesture to say hello to another man. I was wrong.

I can't think of one family or friend that is not intimidated or at least feel a little threatened by police officers, and this today shook me up a little. Last traffic stop he came up and beat on my window so hard it scarred me and shook the shit in my door handle. Then another time, an officer came to my door threatening me to give up the name of a driver in a loud car that went by, only to have him label my house as "uncooperative".Today, He said he didn't know if he would have to fight me and asked me what I wanted. I said Nevermind, I was just making conversation. He began hollering at me saying thats not how to approach police officers. I just shyd away and said ok, sorry and walked away.

What if I was a younger child, or an elder asking for assistance? Must I really be that careful with my words when meeting an officer? He said I was lucky and thats how people get shot.

I'm upset. Everyone of these fag liberals telling me I have white privilege because cops dont treat me poorly, which is supposed to make me feel guilty or something? But that is entirely not true. Im a baby-faced skinny white boy with blonde hair and blue eyes, a 4 year degree in science that loves to tinker. The officer, a "Ramirez" with the militarized shaved head. 795 Tacoma PD

I was told never to pull a gun on anything you don't plan to kill. What happened to the other 9 non-lethal options on his belt? Why was the lethal option the first one he reached for when there was no perceived threat. Why was this Robotic Cop programmed in a way that responds with lethal force to an unknown entity.

This has left me significantly less trusting. I dont want anything to do with them. I dont want to help them. I dont want to talk to them, and I dont wanna look at them. I fear them more than a crackhead on the side of the road asking for change. I completely understand why there is such an attitude against police, they bring it on themselves, and use it for justification for their wrong doings. It is a government led gang used to intimidate and control the general population.


I am considering the idea of writing to congress/senate to address the issue. The Puyallup PD I went and spoke to about the matter told me I shouldnt go over their heads, and that I was lucky I didn't get shot. Total disbelief. I left, almost with a tear in my eye, for the complete lack of civility in todays world.
 

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Seems more like the norm these days. Ive had good and bad experiences. I'm tired of getting pulled over going 5 under and not doing anything though. To the point where i keep my hair short and my beard trimmed and they always still want to look around the car. This is pretty much what the system has created for itself, and they seem happy to keep and expand the division instead of coming together for the most part. Not to say plenty of cops arent still good and friendly but it definitely doesn't seem like the norm anymore. It's worse in the south too, imo.
 

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lol, you guys have bad luck.

when cops run my info, a little yellow flashing bar says "caution : dangerous" and they are always super fucking chill around me. Im always respectful (the reason for the flashing bar is because back in the day, I was suicidal and went after cops to do something, or resisted arrest with force.) so when they come up to my window, theyre respectful "hey, how you doing? know why I pulled you over?" and I return the treatment. most cops Ive dealt with in the past when I was always angry played the "whose a bigger asshole" game, and I always seemed to win......even though Id be arrested lol.

not all cops are douchebags. maybe he has a reason to be scared, and sounds like he brought it upon himself to be fearful. don't go out of your way to say hi, but don't be a cunt if you don't need to be. theyre people too, and the good ones are worth their weight
 

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I wouldn't sweat it man. Fuck the police.

But you have to be more careful of what you cause because you did cause this scenario (you spoke to him).

He overreacted as a response. When policeman have their suit on, they feel as if they have authority.

That's why the first thing he replied with is "that's not how you talk to an officer."

If he was in regular clothing, I guarantee you he would have not responded that way.

But at the end of the day:

Don't speak to police at all. You're not obligated, nor should you want to. The good cops protect the bad cops, so fuck em all.
 

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dunno, im always respectful, even to the assholes. I haven't had a ticket since 04 and it's still the same routine even though everything on my cars is legal and i drive like a grandpa on the street because i get my racing out on the weekends legally. so i never get one for anything either. Heck i even run a cat on my EF..... It would just be nice to stop getting pulled over for nothing.
Last time i was coming to visit friends in Dallas and the State Trooper saw my pikes peak flyer from the weekend before and just HAD to search my car after interviewing me in his front seat and then making me stand on the side of the road while he went through everything in my trunk.
 

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doesn't he have to have a reason to search your shit? like, can you not consent?
 

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I might be mistaken (it's been since 2005 when I got my drivers license)but i swear there is something that says you consent to search by having a driver license or you can be towed and thrown in jail. I can't remember if it was for all traffic stops or dui or what.
 

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Blu3, that is either a Cali thing or majorly wrong. Unless there is "probable cause" you don't have to consent to a search of your personal belongings. What if I left my license at home I'm exempt right?

I have never had a bad experience with an officer. Every time I've gotten pulled over I deserved it. I was speeding and paid for it. The smaller things like a 3rd brake light out I've always got off.

I've gotten pulled over and had a gun visible a couple times and nothing came of it. He just said leave it there (holster) ran my stuff and never mentioned it again.

I agree your situation is shitty and he shouldn't have acted that way but he may have had a reason to be on alert, having a bad day, an asshole, you live in a shitty state.

EDIT* I'm not intimidated by officers at all. They are just guys doing their job. They might not like the policy's either.

My town was home to a pic where an officer showed up to a call and after shot a couple hoops with the kids outside. Went viral and Shaq ended up coming and played with the kids and officer.

Not all bad man.
 

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People that go around saying fuck the police, need to get punched in the dick. Most police officers daily have to deal with faggots with that attitude (This is NOT directed at you Toaster).


I personally have very little trouble with police.

Toaster, I feel you though. I have some friends that get hassled, and it is a sad day when the police are aggressive towards what is merely a "hey how you doing fellow human"


Ive had a cop do that ONCE. I firmly told him I did nothing to deserve that negative attitude, please keep it reserved. He acted like I was bullshitting for a few seconds, but maybe he saw how I was looking at him, and he slowly switched to a better attitude as the traffic stop continued.

In this world where the media loves to shit on everything , we need to stay above the bullshit.

I have a friend who is stationed on force in my community. The troubles he has to deal with are eye-opening to how the general public treats police officers. I know this officer well, I went to grade school and high school with him. He has a big heart, and has never purposely fucked around with people. Yet his life has been put in danger before by an ignorant fuckboy a few times.


Toaster, keep looking positive. Dont let rude or negative officers dissuade you from respecting them, if possible. Too many bad eggs ruin the basket. Hopefully the next officer to cross paths with you is more intelligent and respectful.
 

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That cop is just a loser who probably has done a lot of bad things in life, so when someone approaches him like that in his uniform he probably thinks its karma coming back for him.

I think thats why I am aggressive. lol.
 

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It's not always what you say but how you say it.

Maybe he took it the wrong way. Maybe he just got off the phone and learned his dog just died.

Sorry you had to go through something like this, but there's always two sides of the story.

So at the end, you just walked away? Nothing was said to squash this between y'all?
 

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I am a huge, clearly ethnic guy from Washington state. I dont have an accent, and I have been a model citizen as far as the government is concerned. I have ridden in the back of a cop car exactly twice, and both of those times were uncuffed as transportation after the person I was riding with were arrested for previous issues that had nothing to do with me.

I have NEVER raised my voice, been beligerant, acted violent, unpredictable, or uncooperative with any cop in any way.

I have had guns pulled on me several times, once when I was "pulled over" for walking home in Oklahoma. None of them have ever claimed to mistake me for someone else, that was just their reaction to me.

I have absoutely no doubt that if I acted around cops like Slo and other here have described, or if I had EVER had a gun on my person or visible in my car during a traffic stop, I would be dead by now.

This right here is the biggest problem:

The good cops protect the bad cops
You take ANY group of people and tell them their group is in the right, and that everyone besides their group should be treated like a criminal, and you are looking at the classic stanford prison experiment. Thats just how humans work.

You make that group appeal to predominately poorly educated, poorly trained people, who want a job that makes them feel powerful, because they feel they are lacking that in their own lives and you are asking for more trouble.

You throw rampant widespread fear and distrust into that mix and now you are asking for a disaster.

Cops are people; good, bad, and indifferent, they are just people. But putting people into the circumstance they are put in, both from the inside "we are in the right because we are cops" club mentality and the outside pressure and fear is a situation that has a predictibly negative result.
 

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Ive been hassled quite a bit by cops, but never have had a gun drawn on me in california. Ive heard numerous stories of chp being absolute dicks but i havent found that to be true.

I feel you man, and if i had been CC it may have prompted me to instinctively put my hand on the holster. Would that have gotten me shot? probably, and he would have wrote it off in the report as "man provoked police officer and was shot" on the news.

That being said, ive had good encounters with police as well, mainly a few chp and a bunch of local police departments. Hell i see a couple of them at our local cars and coffee meetup as they let the kids flip on the lights in the cruiser and mess with his handcuffs.

I lived in olympia wa not too far from where you got the gun pulled on you, i know exactly what your talking about. It seems the police force in washington is more militarized than the rest of the western us. Undercover cop cars, drag force, you name it. Its a socialist society utopia right? I can honestly say ive never seen so much crime and petty theft/drugs as when i lived in washington. My sister still lives there and is hassled daily about people coming into her driveway and stealing something. Hell she came home with her husband and found two people inside of her house and they broke the back window and ran into the woods, Police did nothing. Not to mention that every third house in the woods is burnt down due to a failed meth lab explosion.
 

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In chicago cops won't do anything unless you're pretty much waving a gun around or acting completely out of line or they get called. Both times i had a cop approach me was because a bum was pan handling and they got arrested.

My brother owns a bicycle shop and had a bicycle stolen, he called the cops and they noticed he didn't have a permit for the shop and he got a $500 ticket for calling the cops for his bike being stolen...

I personally wouldn't call the cops even if someone broke into my house for the fear of the officer thinking I'm the burglar and getting shot. I think most (not all) agents are paid enforcers of fraud backed by murder backed by nuclear weapons backed by lies.
 

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I read this last night and thought about it on my way to work today. I'm working out of New Mexico this week and every time I come here I always notice a.... well it's a stranger police presence than were I live in Florida.

The police in my hometown are very friendly. Even if you're an offender, things do not escalate as quick as your simple greeting did. Police in my home town talk to citizens; they interact with the community and become one with everyone. The police here in Clovis, NM are different. There are, dare I say, fear-driven billboards posted around town notifying the people of the police presence. I've never seen an ad campaign to warn citizens that the cops are after you until I started coming out here for work. Additionally, the amount of people I see pulled over for minor traffic infractions is staggering compared to where I live; especially in early morning traffic when people are trying to get to work. Here in NM, you will get hammered for doing 9 MPH over the speed limit. In my hometown, 9 MPH over is normal and I've been to a sheriff's briefing in my town where they stated that they will not pull anybody over that is doing 9 over simply because it's not a hazard.

I suppose the police presence varies across the country. In the OP's case, I would seek intervention in the governing of the local police force. That sort of interaction is not acceptable and could in fact lead to a serious conflict if the greeting citizen was not as reserved as was demonstrated in this post. Btw that's a huge bummer because I love visiting Washington although I haven't been to Tacoma yet. I guess tread lightly in Tacoma?
 

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not 100% standing up for the cop here but few things can come into play here.

1 thing. how where you dressed? you one of those loose jeans big t-shirt kinda white kids? had you showered that day? i mean realisticly do you look like the crack heads they have to deal with? if so then he probably just didnt want to deal with your shit that day.(not your shit but the shit he has to put up with on the daily with people who look like you)

you may get all pissy and say he shouldnt judge but if officers dont judge people at least a little bit then they get killed or others do.

other things possible. he simply had a bad day. everyone does. i feel like cops often have them. he may have had to put down his dog that morning while his wife is leaving him and had a crack head fight him that day and just wants having it today.

from the way you typed what you said though idk your inflection when you said it if it was sincere or sarcastic or what but either way it wasnt formal. you said "hey there officer" as if you knew the guy. formal would be "afternoon officer" or "hello officer" thats if you must say something at all.

either way yes huge over reaction on the cops part but shit happens. its best to just stay out of there way and if you must speak to them be formal and polite.

the thing is cops wear a uniform for a reason. they should be treated with respect. they really have the shittiest job ever for the shittiest pay ever.
 

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ill tell you like it is.

Most cops get power drunk and act a damn fool.
They think there above the law and do all types of crap.

I read a story about 2 weeks ago about a 15 yr old girl being pepper spray by the cops.
Thats the headline. Check the text and watch the video.
to put it short. The cops pepper spray the girl after they handcuff her and put her in the backseat.
(i can link if needed)
but that was pure crap. and there are tons of stories like that.

Ive been pulled over before and car runs my info (which im clean and everything up to date)
He ask me where i was coming from and why i was in that area.
I was at the mall and was going home.
Then he give my info back to me and drives off.

Had a few run ins like that.
and IMO most cops are crap.

Sorry you got a taste of the real world.
Also i believe all the cops are train to kill and not take in
 

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In chicago cops won't do anything unless you're pretty much waving a gun
That is a load of horse shit. CPD are some of the most petty fucking self-important pieces of shit in general. It's a holier-than-though mentality that is rampant in the department.

If you are young and/or have a modified car -- expect to be fucked with.

Some experiences that come to mind, not even mentioning those of my friends and family:

-being ripped off my skateboard (in an area outside the business district where skateboarding is not prohibited) by my backpack, thrown to the ground, and lectured on the dangers of skateboarding.

-walking down the street HOLDING my skateboard under my arm in the business district and having it ripped out of my hands and then bombarded with questions about why I am carrying a skateboard downtown.

-being harassed for taking photos in front of the field museum.

-being screamed at that this is a "no parking zone you fucking jerk" when in fact the no-parking would not go into affect for another hour or so

-having a passenger in the airport sitting next to me grabbed and his neck and dragged by his collar because his cell phone went off and he should 'know that that could be perceived as a bomb' and that he would be 'missing his fucking flight asshole'

It's not observational bias when EVERY SINGLE experience is negative. For context: I am a white, clean-cut, well-dressed engineer. Who shows nothing but respect when confronted.

I am not one of these "why am i being pulled over" twits. Nothing but "Yes sir", "No sir" and the utmost tone of respect leaves my mouth -- even when they are complete jagoffs. You know why? Because it doesn't serve ME any benefit. I am polite as pie.


People that go around saying fuck the police, need to get punched in the dick. Most police officers daily have to deal with faggots with that attitude (This is NOT directed at you Toaster).
MOST people. Not all people. We have a police problem, plain and simple. I was not born with a distain for police. I am never disrespectful. I pull off the road immediately, completely, hands on 2 and 10, light on, engine off, keys on dash, "yes sir", "no sir", "thank you sir". I am not some punk kid or ghetto trash that runs around saying 'fuck tha police'. No I'm not. But we CERTAINLY and truly have a policing problem.

It's not SOME police. Or a FEW police. It is, sadly MOST police. When people say what you say "most police officers daily have to deal with faggots with that attitude" -- I roll my eyes. You think any normal rational able-bodied adult should be taking their attitude out on another human being because someone gave them a hard time? Tough fucking shit. I deal with idiots on a daily basis -- and I am respectful, even to those idiots, every moment. And I'm not even in the public eye. If you can't grasp this simple concept or control your emotions, then plainly put, you shouldn't be carrying a firearm or given a badge. Sorry, not sorry.

To elaborate on our police problem. It is NOT a race problem. Let's be clear. Statistically, minorities on average are stopped LESS than whites and are killed at a SIGNIFICANTLY DISPROPORTIONATELY LESSER amount that whites.

Anyone who claims this problem is one of race is an idiot. This problem is one of principle. We have lost the true idea that police are there to protect the people. Instead we have police officers exclusively focusing on how they can make a petty stop, how they can cite someone, or how they can flex their power.

Police are the last line of defense against unconstitutional and immoral legislation. When laws are immoral or unconstitutional, LEOs should not enforce them. Period. They do so -- they look for that shit intentionally and then when questioned present the lame and tired "Just doing my job".

Sorry pal, "just doing my job" doesn't give you a pass on morality. It might let you trick yourself into laying your head on your pillow at night; but in reality, it doesn't make you not-a-piece-of-shit.

In Illinois 5 years ago, concealed carry was deemed unconstitutional, yet 100% of polled police officers said they would make an arrest of an individual possessing a valid FOID with no criminal background carrying. Police are not there to protect you, they are there to find a way to arrest you. Period.

Yet they demand that you respect them. They present a holier-than-though attitude as if they are doing a 'public service'. No, they literally, by definition are not.

Sorry, the only reason I am 'respectful' is for my own benefit. So that I don't wind up cited, arrested, or killed. Respect is earned, not given. Pulling people over for stupid petty shit does not merit respect, it merits distain. We have murders running around but you have police forces sitting in ditches on the side of the road trying to catch people going 4mph over the posted limit on an empty stretch at 3am.

If you pull someone over for 4mph over the posted limit on a cornfield road at 3am (note how this is oddly specific, ask me why) -- and you proceed to cite them, even knowing that a the ticket would suspend their license. I genuinely and truly hope that a car clips you on the job, and takes away your ability to do that shit going forward.

As police keep this up. As they keep alienating good contributing top-tier members of society -- they will have no one left to turn to when asinine groups like BLM and the leftists wage war against them. They will be left to stand alone.

Peace out
 
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