[samuraiz]

<<<=====(( Giving Rep for those who comment on the springs and struts I mentioned in my first post, or any similar setups in a similar price range.

I recommend the Tokico Illumina spring and strut kit! Love them for DD and autox.

Do you know the spring rate for those springs? Kit costs quite a bit, I'd like to couple the struts with the springs I listed if they are comparable.

I once found a link to stock spring rates but I can't seem to find anything similar now. I've never been in a car with someone who knew their own spring rates so I'm trying to get a practical idea of what the numbers mean.

 

[Hellhatch]

I have the tein springs on a ek hatch and love the ride very smooth but i also look at how i drive i dont go crazy with my car doing auto x i just take it up to a windie road by my house and have some fun. I dont have the green ones i have the gold one's htec or stec not sure I know there 1.5 in the front and 1.8 in the rear drop.

 

[Hellhatch]

I also have dropzone shocks was tight on money at the time but its been a year and a half and there still running strong eventually want to get the illuinas.

 

[Clutchmaster]

Can't find agx rears for the 88 CRX, think it'd be worth it to only put them up front?

probably not..you may not want to mix and match a setup..I'd find something uniform then

 

[samuraiz]

I have the tein springs on a ek hatch and love the ride very smooth but i also look at how i drive i dont go crazy with my car doing auto x i just take it up to a windie road by my house and have some fun. I dont have the green ones i have the gold one's htec or stec not sure I know there 1.5 in the front and 1.8 in the rear drop.

What's the difference between the gold ones and the green ones? Do you know the spring rates? You have an EG hatch? cuz I the EF springs I was looking at have less of a drop in the rear. Is that a normal difference between the models?

 

[samuraiz]

probably not..you may not want to mix and match a setup..I'd find something uniform then

I know it sounds like a bad idea, but has anyone been crazy enough to try it? Obviously the adjustables up front could be set to match the fixed in the rear, but when the front was stiffened do you think it would still be improved handling or just a ton of understeer?

 

[crazyxzer0]

My crx isn't moving at all now, but since iv'e got the tranny out and the whole front end apart, it seems like a good time to throw some cash at a new suspension setup. 160k in 19 years leaves my CRX a little sloppy. Car is a DD, never been to the track though I some day hope to. I don't have a specific amount I want to spend, just enough that I won't find myself wishing i'd spent more 2 weeks from now.

Springs i'm considering:

Megan 280F & 230R 125$ shipped
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...RK:MEWA:IT&viewitem=&item=180077878322&rd=1,1

Tein 269/123 (123 why so low?) 1.5/1.4 140$ shipped
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TEIN...tegoryZ33582QQihZ016QQitemZ260086198830QQrdZ1

Struts of interest:
4 KYB GR-2 165$ shipped
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-...003QQitemZ130076387620QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

2 Front KYB AGX w/ 2 Rear GR-2 approx 275$ shipped
Is this worth it? or just crazy?

4 Tokico Illuminas 370$ shipped
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TOKI...006QQitemZ160082937033QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

4 Tokico HP 350$ shipped
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TOKI...010QQitemZ200076696272QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW


I'm also planning on getting a bushing kit (worth it?) so that adds like 100$ to my total cost as well. Which setup/combination would you reccomend?

Tein Springs = soft ride like OEM. The drop is pretty decent and its an all around fairly oem soft ride but a little stiffer.

KYB GR2 = stock replacement. Should only be used with stock springs.
KYBAGX = good performance shocks for 1.5" drop and higher.

The mismatch setup will be awkward, not worth it. You are better off getting all 4 because it is adjustable and well worth it, if you ever choose to upgrade springs to coilovers.

Tokico Illuminas are the same like KYB AGX

Tokico HP are oem replacements with 15% stiffer dampening. Not recommended with aftermarket springs IMO.

Bushings kit will affect how your car dampens vibrations. If you don't mind the extra vibrations for more stability, be my guess. Also I wouldn't change it unless your bushings were shot and REQUIRE changing.




as far as the spring rates being so low in the rear, Japanese Tuner Shops love to run a softer rate in the rear. I have APEXi N1 coilovers and they are 680 and 300 spring ratess more or less. With my large Type R rear sway bar it rotates like if it had a 600 600 setup without the large amount of harsh ride from stiff rear rates on FWD.


I personally would reccomend Tein and KYB AGX since it would be the most budget wise setup.

If you had more cash, Koni Yellows would be a very viable option because they offer lifetime warranty on them as well the best shock dampening compared to them all. If I were to go back to a strut/shock combo, I would go with Koni hands down without a doubt knowing they are one of the best. Tokico and KYB do not offer services to revalve their shocks when they blow but koni does.

 

[solo-x]

buy the koni's and put the spring perch on the lowest groove. Use the stock springs and the car will be lowered ~1". Wait another year and buy some stiffer lowering springs if that is what you want. You'll really kick yourself if you buy the kyb's and then ride in a car with the Koni's. The Koni's just ride/handle SO much better.

 

[turboedpickup]

i never thought of it that way... ^^^^

 

[samuraiz]

buy the koni's and put the spring perch on the lowest groove. Use the stock springs and the car will be lowered ~1". Wait another year and buy some stiffer lowering springs if that is what you want. You'll really kick yourself if you buy the kyb's and then ride in a car with the Koni's. The Koni's just ride/handle SO much better.

Koni struts on stock springs? Interesting! I'd like to hear from someone with that setup. Surely it can't beat AGXs with Tein lowering springs (approx the same price) Which (color?) Konis are we talking about here?

 

[lilred]

Do you know the spring rate for those springs? Kit costs quite a bit, I'd like to couple the struts with the springs I listed if they are comparable.

I once found a link to stock spring rates but I can't seem to find anything similar now. I've never been in a car with someone who knew their own spring rates so I'm trying to get a practical idea of what the numbers mean.

Mine are like 375 for the front and 250 for the rear, if i remember right.

Your right there are no kits for an 88, but honestly I think they are Eibach progressive springs.

Konis are great as mentioned before, if you can afford them I would honestly consider them. Otherwise find a spring/strut kit, or a coilover setup, and compare them with building them seperate. Either way you should be fine.

 

[samuraiz]

Mine are like 375 for the front and 250 for the rear, if i remember right.

Your right there are no kits for an 88, but honestly I think they are Eibach progressive springs.

Konis are great as mentioned before, if you can afford them I would honestly consider them. Otherwise find a spring/strut kit, or a coilover setup, and compare them with building them seperate. Either way you should be fine.

How does that stiffness feel?

Has anyone else heard of using Koni's with stock springs? Does it sound crazy to anyone one else? I like the idea, it just seems like I won't get full use out of the Koni's. Is there even a point to using Koni's if you're only going to put them on stock springs?

 

[Hellhatch]

What's the difference between the gold ones and the green ones? Do you know the spring rates? You have an EG hatch? cuz I the EF springs I was looking at have less of a drop in the rear. Is that a normal difference between the models?

not sure of the spring rates i try to find out for ya.

 

[siregcivic]

Can't find agx rears for the 88 CRX, think it'd be worth it to only put them up front?

88 crx and 00itr have the same rear strut setup... you have it where the strut sits inside of the lower control arm right???

or does the rear strut have 2 forks taht go on the outside of the lower control arm???

 

[solo-x]

Koni struts on stock springs? Interesting! I'd like to hear from someone with that setup. Surely it can't beat AGXs with Tein lowering springs (approx the same price) Which (color?) Konis are we talking about here?

Koni yellows. And if you are looking for performance, Koni yellows with stock springs will outperform KYB's with any other spring.

What are your goals? Do you just want to lower your car, or do you want it to handle as good as you can afford? If you just want to lower your car, it doesn't matter what you get. If you want it to handle as good as it can without spending $$texas, buy the Koni's. Even if you just buy the Koni's and run another year on stock springs, you'll be better off.

 

[samuraiz]

Koni yellows. And if you are looking for performance, Koni yellows with stock springs will outperform KYB's with any other spring.

What are your goals? Do you just want to lower your car, or do you want it to handle as good as you can afford? If you just want to lower your car, it doesn't matter what you get. If you want it to handle as good as it can without spending $$texas, buy the Koni's. Even if you just buy the Koni's and run another year on stock springs, you'll be better off.

I want the car to handle better AND ride smoother than stock (if possible). Are the Koni's the answer to that? What do you mean when you say "put the spring perch on the lowest groove"? Ii've never heard of someone lowering on stock springs without cutting them.

 

[samuraiz]

I want the car to handle better AND ride smoother than stock (if possible). Are the Koni's the answer to that? What do you mean when you say "put the spring perch on the lowest groove"? Ii've never heard of someone lowering on stock springs without cutting them.

What about the Koni Reds? Worth it? Would they be better for a budget DD car?

 

[PianoMan]

I want the car to handle better AND ride smoother than stock (if possible).

I don't think that's possible, but if someone out there's got a novel way to do so, I'm all ears.

But I think in general, higher performance = stiffer springs = never as smooth as stock.

PM

 

[turboedpickup]

I want the car to handle better AND ride smoother than stock (if possible). Are the Koni's the answer to that? What do you mean when you say "put the spring perch on the lowest groove"? Ii've never heard of someone lowering on stock springs without cutting them.

the koni's have different "perches" - the spot where the spring rests on the shock... you can move it higher/lower... a step or two. so the koni's allow for adjustable height - sorta.

 

[EtherEg]

kyb agx with the htech or stech springs

Toxicos are known to be toxileakos