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Old 07-06-2015, 10:59 AM   #1 (permalink)
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L3 tranny. Rebuilt it recently, went well. Everything spins nice and smooth. Shifts into all gears too, with/without spinning the input shaft.

And then I saw this on my table:





I'm pretty sure it looks like the spring that goes under/over the tiny ball; though I don't remember leaving them out obviously.

Length of the spring is 22.x mm and OD is 5.x mm.

Put my out of my misery and tell me whether this is from the transmission or not.

And just to clarify, this is either from the shift arm shaft or the shift rod, right? Because I only remember ending up with 2 springs and balls when I opened up the tranny.
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Looks small enough for a shift fork spring, or 5th detent spring. #13, and #40, Bone might know by measurement.

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I didn't even take the shift forks apart. If the spring is from the shift fork and it has a ball too, then I guess I'm up shit creek because I haven't found a ball. Waiting for Bone to reply; I guess the tranny is coming apart anyways. FFS.
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Look at this thread rebuilding a z6 might not work the same for you, section 2 4th pic, might be what you feared. My last post was before I found more pics.

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Yeah that's the guide I used along with the service manual to do the assembly. It was the shift arm rod that was a bitch to put together (ball on top).
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what if its a pen spring? wouldn't that just suck?
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That belongs inside somewhere.....but where???

Did you pull both shift shafts out?
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22.4-22.6mm, stiffy spring, is for the shift shaft rod that exits the back of the transmission.

under the bolt the socket is on in this pic....

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They always include spare parts inside those transmissions
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LOL. Like the time they included spare pistons in some Honda engines?

Opening up the tranny again tonight. Lets hope I haven't lost my balls.
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K20 trans should have spare parts inside them. Considering the cars come with spare tires yet blow trannies more often...
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Just opened the tranny. The spring isn't from the shift arms, either of them. Bone, the one you suggested is a bit thicker than the one I've got in my hand here.

So I guess that just leaves the shift forks? Or could it have come from anywhere else within the tranny?

Edit: The shift fork that goes on the countershaft is moving without any resistance or clicking. Maybe I've found the culprit? I can see detents on the shaft but the fork won't click; it just moves freely.
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Now this is just fucked. All 3 forks have their balls and springs intact. So after a crash course in driving out spring pins and inserting shafts into holes while holding the balls down, I'm stuck with a spring that seems to have no home.

So this rules out both the shift arms and all the shift forks. Any bright ideas?
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The only one I can find that is near the measurement provided is in this pic. (Spring - L 21.4mm) middle of pic.




It is too the left of the one bone mentioned above.
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That's not an L3 tranny though. I measured the spring out of an L3 I had on the bench awaiting to be cleaned.
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So I guess it's just a pen spring? FFS.
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The pen thing was a joke anyways. It's way too beefy to be from a pen. But I guess I'll just find out one day where the goddamn spring came from. Had to open the whole tranny and bust my finger for nothing.
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As to why there are different spring lengths listed for the shift rod, I"ve never noticed a difference. I do have a parts tray FULL of the various springs that I have salvaged from taking forks and shift assemblies apart.

Used to be one online parts retailer that listed the spring length. The most confusing thing I even did though was having the spring cup (collar) fall out so there was very little side to side resistance.
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Originally Posted by transzex View Post
That's not an L3 tranny though. I measured the spring out of an L3 I had on the bench awaiting to be cleaned.
I keep doing that, searching for one, still come up with the hydro....sorry if I lead any one astray.
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