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Old 06-10-2010, 08:13 AM   #1 (permalink)
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ok guys for the longest time i thought i had a si tranny, i bought a si hatch a while back with a blown zc in it. so i took out the engine and kept the tranny. well today i had some free time and i went by the stuff people had said
what to look for to identify si tranny? - Honda-Tech

they said with 2 grooves on the mainshaft its a 90-91
they said 20splines got that
checked the size of the bearing it was 40mm got that
but when i put the trans in 1st gear and spinned the mainshaft with 10 full revolutions it lands passed the HF point. doesnt even come close to a 4.25 or even the dx final. its actually lands at about 3o clock. i really dont wana tear the trans apart to c if its a si final drive, wonder what final drive would cause it to land at that point?
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b000 is an si tranny
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im an idiot lol i suck at bench shifting trannys haha been soo long, i had it in second instead of first, comes up at the right spot just like on the diagram. cool! got an si ima go get a zc engine today and hopefully put it in today with the si and out with the hf crap
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Sounds like you didn't actually get it into first, or didn't get 10 full revolutions, or ???

To calculate output revolutions:

Input Revolutions / (selected gear * final drive)

so, for stock trannies:
HF 10 / (3.25 * 2.95) = 1.04
DX 10 / (3.25*3.88 = .79
Si 10 / (3.25*4.25) = .72

If you look at the 'other' HF tranny (CA I think?) it's no help either:
10 / (3.25 * 3.25) = .95

To end up at 3:00 you'd need the output rotations to come out to xxx.25

And no, none of the aftermarket final drives would get you there either - 4.9 puts you at .62.
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ya the reason i ended up at 3:00 was because i was in second gear i think. i forgot its backwards when doing the bench shifting because when i thought i had it in 5th i was in reverse lol thanks though i found out it is in fact a si tranny. from a 90-91
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I'm pretty sure that SI trans came in small bearing cases as well, just most people want large bearing cases.

I picked up an SI swap that came out of a factory 91 SI, completely stock. Guy swapped in a B16 and I bought the swap off him. Got it home and looked at the stamp, sure shit it was a small bearing case. Threw it in anyways and drove it, RPMs fell right at 7300 @ 70mph...exactly like my SI did.
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the case should have a stamp under pl3/300 600 or 900 those as far as i know are si

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ya mine is stamped PL3/9000. ya i measured it and it was 40mm so its the large bearing case. but i only got to use this tranny for one day driving the hatch home 3 years ago lol. hard to remember how well it shifted. seems to find all gears bench shifting it. although in 3rd gear it makes a weird noise, just have to see what happens this weekend when it goes in
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I'm pretty sure that SI trans came in small bearing cases as well, just most people want large bearing cases.

I picked up an SI swap that came out of a factory 91 SI, completely stock. Guy swapped in a B16 and I bought the swap off him. Got it home and looked at the stamp, sure shit it was a small bearing case. Threw it in anyways and drove it, RPMs fell right at 7300 @ 70mph...exactly like my SI did.
proof of this,

NO ONE has presented proof of a 4.25 FD Si case with 35mm diff yet, EVER!
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proof of this,

NO ONE has presented proof of a 4.25 FD Si case with 35mm diff yet, EVER!
Only way to prove it is by taking it apart, which is not something I really care to do. I can try the spin test to make sure, but that's about as far as I want to go with it.
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wouldn't a factory 35mm cable si transmission explain the error in the Honda parts database? They made the parts list off of one of the odd ball 35mm si...
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wouldn't a factory 35mm cable si transmission explain the error in the Honda parts database? They made the parts list off of one of the odd ball 35mm si...
Quaife is who fucked it all up. They choose a 90-91 EX Sedan 5 speed to check LSD install, then listed the CRX/Civic as having same diff at 35mm. EX had 4.058 FD and 35mm setup, Civic/CRX Si had 40mm setup.

OBX and a few LSD makers copied the same info.
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Quaife is who fucked it all up. They choose a 90-91 EX Sedan 5 speed to check LSD install, then listed the CRX/Civic as having same diff at 35mm. EX had 4.058 FD and 35mm setup, Civic/CRX Si had 40mm setup.

OBX and a few LSD makers copied the same info.
Do you know what the difference in final drives between the following part numbers?

41233-PL3-900
41233-PL3-A00

Is the A00 3.88 and the 900 4.25?

In the honda database I show that both could be in the 91 si tranny.
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well guys it is infact a si, at 70mph its at about 3200 rpms
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Old 06-15-2010, 12:54 PM   #19 (permalink)
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well guys it is infact a si, at 70mph its at about 3200 rpms
assuming your tach and speed are correct, it is a EX 4.058 FD

Si tranny is at about 3500 rpm @ 70 mph
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