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Old 11-16-2014, 05:50 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Manual rack compared to a looped P/S rack?

I have a 94 Delsol, and it has a Power Steering Rack and it is leaking a lot of oil. I Looped the lines a few years ago and didn't like it very much, mainly because every bump I hit it would jerk the wheel around. So I went back to the power set up. I was wondering if the true manual racks were like that? Any insight from people that drove both set ups would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Mine was leaking as well. I de-powered the rack, used grease on the pinion and put it all back together. Works great so far.

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A true manual rack should be lighter to steer than a disabled power rack.
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The depowered rack only "jerked" around because there was no pressure in the system anymore. The rack guide was probably way out of adjustment too.

Manual racks will do the same thing if the guide isn't adjusted but they are way tighter and much easier to steer.
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This is true.. Any rut in the road will want the car to wander off, so you need to be attentive when driving.

True manual racks have less turns lock to lock then powered racks. If you want more steering response then a true manual swap should be done. But for simple DD, a de-powered rack has been fine for me.
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is difficult to switch it but I prefer a manual rack. a looped rack will get some slop from my experiences
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Integra rack vs DX civic..

The only time I prefered the power rack is when I'm trying to do a k turn or something. Road feel wise, my manual rack with bad tie rod ends and needing an alignment feels much better than a rebuilt teg rack. It just feels more direct
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I drive both and the manual rack is so much nicer because of the turn ratio. Both my power steering racks feel real nice though... Manual rack hard while drinking coffee in a parking lot, but sooo sweet during spirited driving.
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Integra rack vs DX civic..

The only time I prefered the power rack is when I'm trying to do a k turn or something. Road feel wise, my manual rack with bad tie rod ends and needing an alignment feels much better than a rebuilt teg rack. It just feels more direct
Only applies to Eg's, if you want to do this in an Ek you will need to swap the subframe.

Also you can get a shorter LTL without a manual rack.

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Well I do enjoy the P/S for auto-X, So I'll Probably just look into swapping an Integra rack in for the shorter lock to lock. Is that a direct bolt in to the delsol?
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I drive both and the manual rack is so much nicer because of the turn ratio. Both my power steering racks feel real nice though... Manual rack hard while drinking coffee in a parking lot, but sooo sweet during spirited driving.
I cant even drink coffee in my civic with manual rack, B20 torque and useless cup holders.


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For the rest of the useless 96-00 users. Hit the clutch with a touch too much throttle and your drinks are on the floor! Ask me how I know.
I have a stock auto DD like that and it's happened to me too.
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Depowered racks can feel good, but you have to weld the spool in place like this:



Not sure why people are not doing this with Hondas.
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It just acts as a bushing then?
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Well I do enjoy the P/S for auto-X, So I'll Probably just look into swapping an Integra rack in for the shorter lock to lock. Is that a direct bolt in to the delsol?
a del sol vtec or 96/97 del sol si rack has the same ratios
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My 94 Delsol si has the 3.6 lock to lock, it seems. The integra rack was 3.2 I read. So if I'm gonna replace it anyway, might as get the integra one. Does anyone know if the lines match up or if any changes need to be made?
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My 94 Delsol si has the 3.6 lock to lock, it seems. The integra rack was 3.2 I read. So if I'm gonna replace it anyway, might as get the integra one. Does anyone know if the lines match up or if any changes need to be made?
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