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Old 07-07-2014, 05:47 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Suspension feels unstable under high boost

I admit, when it comes to suspension I'm a n00blet . The issue I'm having is that when I'm under hard acceleration/high boost the steering wheel basically feels like it is doing nothing the front end of the car is lifting/rear squatting so much. Once it gets up in the triple digit MPH it feels very squirrely and slightly scary.

My suspension is completely stock right now...I know I need to upgrade, but being on a budget, where is the best bang for my buck to get things under control? Shock/springs? Poly bushings? Bracing? Traction bar? It's a 97 coupe. Etc. I'm open to all suggestions. The car is built for drag, but I wouldn't mind doing some road course stuff once in a while.
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Replace all bushings with HardRace or OEM and keep the RTA bushing OEM.

And keep the fucking on road speeds down and giving us other Honda owners a bad name
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Who said these were on road? And not on a closed course/drag strip?
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I bet your 1/4 trap speeds are under 100mph if your sig is correct.

But none the less, did you want help with your setup or just argue about your illegal driving habits. I got all day either way.
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Me too. I would like to defend myself against your accusations. There are other closed courses besides the drag strip. Being that I have never said anything about the location that I achieved these speeds, you are merely assuming that I do not have access to any other closed courses besides a drag strip, despite the fact that many exist. So please show me where I either said that I was driving illegally, or present your proof.

Otherwise, please don't make accusations and assumptions about someone that you don't know. Someone who may have access to a test track. Or brought their car to a road course. I live in Detroit, and I'm an engineer. Closed courses are plentiful. And so is my access to them.

I am all for help with my suspension, which is why I asked. But I'm not okay with blind and false accusations and being told to "keep my fucking on road speeds down" and told I'm giving other Honda owners a bad name.
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I was trapping at 102-4 with less hp. Torque is rotational acceleration.

Stock suspension with ETD traction bars. Felt fine at speed, but I had 205 Hankook tires, and my bushings were in good shape.
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Well if you didn't just start off by defending yourself like a kid then I wouldn't have kept going. You're just being overly defensive if you aren't doing anything wrong

Get those bushings replaced. Made a world of difference in my old ED with 260k on it.

Chillax bro, it's just the internet.
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Who said these were on road? And not on a closed course/drag strip?
Nobody, but you're also not really denying that they were...

I doubt you'll find reliability in budget suspension parts. I got the Eibach Sportline-plus kit complete with springs, pro dampers, and front and rear anti-roll bars. ~$700. Over a year and couldn't be happier. *1 million mile warranty on the springs and the roll bars*
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Teh internets is real!

I checked out the HardRace website. Did you just replace the bushings? Or did you buy the whole arms with the bushings already in them? From what I've read about replacing the bushings it seems to be a PITA. Burning them out with a torch, etc. I do have access to a big press though.

Also, I figured a traction bar would be on that list of things to do. CripTofer - How do you like that ETD bar? I've heard good things. Install and fitment were good?
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Do to my original needs I bought OEM style bushings and I did still burn some old ones out though. I would buy the hard race if I had to do it again though but I still think the RTA should be OEM.
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I have the 26 piece HardRace Bushing set. Unfortunately I have been too lazy to put them in. I was planning on just using my press.... hopefully that works. I think better springs/struts will help a lot with the front end of the car going up and down
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and keep the RTA bushing OEM.
Why?
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Why?
poly RTA bushings can/will bind up and cause unpredictable and unsafe rear suspension actions.

(i.e. RWD-like snap oversteer when you least expect it)
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Because the poly RTA bushings give little warning before they give, and your ass end comes swinging around like your in a mustang.
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Well maybe the hardrace ones are OK but the old ES poly bushings if improperly clocked and lubed would crack/rip while turning and the whole car would lose control. Even properly installed this could happen but IDK about the hardrace ones. The pillowcushion ones sound good but I have no experience with them. They also make these if you are a balla Password:JDM Rear Trailing Arm Spherical Bearing Kit | Password JDM

My .02 about RTA bushings. I will only use OEM or spherical (if I was rich) and I may try the hardrace pillowcushion ones but no need anytime soon.
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Very interesting about the RTA thing, I had no idea. What about shocks/springs? Coilovers seem to be more desireable, why is that? Adjustable ride height? They seem to also be quite expensive compared to something like Koni Yellows and some springs. It would be nice to be able to raiser the car in the winter though...

Edit: That spherical bushing sounds baller. But probably overkill for where I'm at now.
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Ground control makes decent coilovers if you can call them that, real coilovers will be around the $2k mark. Ground controls and some tokico's or AGX struts would do you very well.
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If your front end is lifting too much try using a higher spring rate in the rear ... this will also help with rotation (which is helpful for road course and AutoX type stuff). A bushing refresh and a traction bar can't hurt. You might also consider investing in some proper aero bits to keep the car planted ... just make sure you do it right (front AND rear down force). That will help with all around traction/plantedness when you end up at those higher speeds.

How uncomfortable are you comfortable with the car being, this is the real determiner when if comes to suspension set up. Look into PIC coilovers they have adjustable damping units for ~$1100 (or there abouts) and you can pick your springrates if you call them. I really like mine I got the off the shelf 12kf/10kr set and am qute pleased with it.

Poly RTAs are not as big a problem as everyone keeps playing them out to be. I've been running mine for years and my car is completely predictable.
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Found some pretty good info over on HT. It definitely seems that if you are on a budget it is best to avoid coilovers and just get a good spring/shock combo. And not to try and do budget coilovers. Pay to play, as usual.

It sounds like new bushings, shocks/springs, and a traction bar will get me about where I need to be. Full race or ESP t bar, need to decide. ES bushings. Either Koni Yellow/GC or Progress CS-II seem like a good choice for my budget.
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They do the job. Fit fine.
I have had them for a few years now, they are corroding up now from daily driving them in the rust belt.
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