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My sis just got an 05 civic ex with the D17A2 which has a"learning" ecu which makes it harder to get hp, so we thought a nitrous build would be good. I heard a 35 hp of a dry shot of nitrous would be best on this engine compared to the wet b/c of the 7th gens ecu's. She first is going to get headers, test pipe, exhaust, air intake, iridium cooler plugs from ngk, and a fuel ratio gauge w/ a wideband o2 sensor.

For the nitrous kit we're thinking of this one. Is this a good kit?http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=NOS%2D05122%2D05N OS&N=700+400047+4294907813+4294907812+4294839926+4 294906227+115&autoview=sku

I read the nitrous sticky in the forced induction forum but no info on the d17's. We would like to know if anything else is needed. Some other things we think we might need but were not really sure about is a new headgasket, and a tune w/ hondata/crome or what ever she chooses to use. So are we missing anything.

Anyone used nitrous on this engine before?
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speedfoos is the one here who knows about the D17, try lookin round to his post, not sure if hes done a juice though, but i know he boosted
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My sis just got an 05 civic ex with the D17A2 which has a"learning" ecu which makes it harder to get hp, so we thought a nitrous build would be good. I heard a 35 hp of a dry shot of nitrous would be best on this engine compared to the wet b/c of the 7th gens ecu's. She first is going to get headers, test pipe, exhaust, air intake, iridium cooler plugs from ngk, and a fuel ratio gauge w/ a wideband o2 sensor.

For the nitrous kit we're thinking of this one. Is this a good kit?http://store.summitracing.com/partde...5&autoview=sku

I read the nitrous sticky in the forced induction forum but no info on the d17's. We would like to know if anything else is needed. Some other things we think we might need but were not really sure about is a new headgasket, and a tune w/ hondata/crome or what ever she chooses to use. So are we missing anything.

Anyone used nitrous on this engine before?

I really don't see what the ECU has to do with a dry shot being better than a wet shot. Don't waste your money on a test pipe. It's been proven time and time again that they give like 1-2 whp and that's it.
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are you sure about that, i remember a while back speedfoos said how restrictive the pipes were going to the cat on the 7th gen's, i could custom fab for cheap but a test pipe would be easier, plus i thought the less restrictive ehaust the better on a car w/ nitrous. i could be wrong idk
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are you sure about that, i remember a while back speedfoos said how restrictive the pipes were going to the cat on the 7th gen's, i could custom fab for cheap but a test pipe would be easier, plus i thought the less restrictive ehaust the better on a car w/ nitrous. i could be wrong idk
The less restrictive exhaust, yeah. A test pipe to replace a cat converter, no.
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the DP on those cars are twin pipes iirc, a pipe inside a pipe and the one doing the flowing is really samll and shitty
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a few things i MUST clear up for the OP...

first, yes the ecu is a "learning" ecu, meaning it can make timing and fueling adjustments outside of what the "other" ecu's you read about on here can, this does NOT mean that it is restricting horse power...the reason that the d17 does not react well to bolt ons is not because of the ecu, but because of its design as a whole...for instance, the rod stroke ratio is bad for high rpm power, the intake manifold is the worst design EVER!! (i might be exagerating a little here)...and yes the exhuast manifold is a pipe in a pipe configuration for heat purposes...

now to help you out here...don't be stupid, get a wet shot so that you have a complete addition of nitrous AND gas so as to not have a lean situation...get a new header, keep the stock cat, or get a larger "high flow" cat from a respectable company that makes a REAL high flow cat...and last but not least you'll want a cat back that flows nicely...also probably won't hurt to get an intake, but don't go out and get the most expensive one there is...

you'll probably be fine out to a 50 wet shot, this should net you some good gains, and iirc the stock d17 has a very respectable compression ratio for a 87 octane gas burner...however if you decide to use nitrous, i would recommend getting one step colder spark plugs, and run 91 octane (probably don't need anything higher than that) this is not for horse power gain, but for insurance purposes...

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i just thought u were suppose togo w/ a dry set-up on the d17's b/c of the ecu, we'll look into a wet kit. also yeah a highflow cat would be good how does this one look, i really like this company it headquarters and design shop are right down the road from me in a small town in georgia http://www.procivic.com/pages-produc...890/index.html.

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the DP on those cars are twin pipes iirc, a pipe inside a pipe and the one doing the flowing is really samll and shitty
yeah thats what i've heard from speedfoos a while back, we'll be getting a whole exhaust setup soon, eliminating this problem
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Clint.. aka speedfoos lol.. yeah he knows the d17 but i know about it lol.. After all thats what i started with! LOL.. That motor is crap IMHO...

But if your going to spray i would suggest getting some sort of piggy back controller to help spray a little more fuel from the injectors.

But since its the A2, i have a little experience with it.. With a good driver mod, DC 4-1 Header, Apexi WSII exhaust, Injen CAI i manage to run a [email protected] on that car. so a 35 shot isnt going to help much, maybe get yah in the 14's. Just a little FYI... Then theres always the issue of traction. lol...Ask Clint about that lol
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yeah i've messed w/ a little racing on my sisters 01 civic ex and wheel hop was terrible, after the motor work we're going to get some stuff to fix that, new bushings etc.
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I would suggest fixing that first.. Energy suspension motor mounts, Ingalls TQ dampener, and a nice set of coil overs you will be okay. I wouldn't even bother with nitrous.
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I would suggest fixing that first.. Energy suspension motor mounts, Ingalls TQ dampener, and a nice set of coil overs you will be okay. I wouldn't even bother with nitrous.
yeah good call, i know she will be getting the coilover's with in a little while, and we might go ahead and get the motor mounts and ingalls tq dampener, depends on prices, i know the first thing she will be doing for sure is the exhaust, and header, b/c she already has the cai thats was on her other 7th gen. thx good suggestion.
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The less restrictive exhaust, yeah. A test pipe to replace a cat converter, no.
I don't want to get in this deep discussion, but have you ever see a dragster with fully built engine with cat converter? stock daily car going to the race track yes, dragtser on a trailers behind a pickup truck NO. Right size and lenght tuned for the whole engine and setup. I tried many cat converters in my car from small to big ones, never get more power at high range only moving litle bit tq in mid rpm band. The best result I got is with headers-test pipe-resonator and muffler of the same size, like 2.25inches diameter.
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i just thought u were suppose togo w/ a dry set-up on the d17's b/c of the ecu, we'll look into a wet kit. also yeah a highflow cat would be good how does this one look, i really like this company it headquarters and design shop are right down the road from me in a small town in georgia http://www.procivic.com/pages-produc...890/index.html.

Good point we'll be sure to run 91 octane
this is a good company...and it is going to work like a real cat, and provide a slightly better flow through due to its size increase...
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Or you could just skip that all and get the newer DC Race 4-2-1 header lol. It will delete the cat
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haha true, i saw that when we were searching for parts, but we'll probably run w/ a high flow cat
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ok yeah i found this http://www.civicforums.com/forums/79...trous-faq.html so i'll be going with the wet system around a 35 to start then a 50.
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Just be careful man nitrous is fun, but dangerous.
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