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Old 02-19-2006, 10:28 PM   #1 (permalink)
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ive got a d16a6 being rebuilt right now, and im planning on boosting. should i go mini-me turbo? or just p&p my head now?

this is what i think, but remember im still a d series n00b.


mini me turbo
higher base hp
should flow more air

stock head
port and polish can make up for the vtec, air flow difference
head and block are more compatible than mini me.
can find same aftermarket parts (cams not as aggressive)




remember this is just....my opinions, if you will. do i have it right? am i off or wrong completely on anything? what? my main question is:

which head would be the best?!
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based on what your showing us i'd vote for the a6 head.. reason being is

z6 head - higher base HP yes, but also a higher compression ratio which leaves less room for error on tuning. also, for VTEC you have to be able to tune the high and low cam maps; so if you're a beginner in tuning (considering you're tuning yourself) it might be a good idea to stay non vtec anyways...

a6 head - port & polished, so its going to flow MORE than the z6 head unless its a crappy port job. also, think of this, most of the street cars run vtec. but most of the all out race hondas use nonvtecs

also, if this is a first time boosting i'd probably recommend not dwindling too deep into the motor. you dont need to build it to boost it
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Old 02-20-2006, 06:15 AM   #3 (permalink)
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stay non vtec. higher compression isnt the best idea. who is doing your tuning? if you are just learning non vtec is much easier to tune as well
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Old 02-20-2006, 10:01 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Blue99CivicSi from TampaRacing.com will be doing my tunning. hes well known and knows his shit. i want to build my motor before i boost it, so itll be strong and a bit more reliable.
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oh i was gonna say if u go mini me, u have to deal with gettin a p28, jumper harness, correct 02 sensor, all that jazz, but if u gots the money go for it
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We are working on this exact same setup right now. A6/Y8/MIniMe, oh and we're doing Vitara pistons too. We plan on using TurboEdit to tune with, no need for a P28, Conversion Harnes, etc. TurboEdit has the one wire VTEC option for kicking in the mAD Vtak yo.

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Old 02-20-2006, 06:41 PM   #7 (permalink)
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^^^ damn right, use a y8 head you can just stay obd0 and reuse your current distributor, plus if you use vitaras and tuner toys rods you will have a cr of something around 8.5 and if you fill the block you can run some pretty good boost. i am doing this build also , get the head back from the machine shop on fri and should be done with the motor by the end of march.
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i am building my motor strong so itll give me time to do this. im really stressing.....vtec or not. money is not an option. id rather spend a lot and have it take forever to do it right. i am making a pros and cons list, so keep them comming. this car will be my daily fore a few years. so i want to throw that in there.
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stay non vtec. higher compression isnt the best idea. who is doing your tuning? if you are just learning non vtec is much easier to tune as well
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if you're making a turbo monster, go with the head that has the camshaft you want to use. If you have a monster turbo, having a vtec cam might make a little more power down low since that is what the low cam profile is designed to do...
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Keep it All A6, no need for Mini me w/ turbo "more tuning" You will get just as much hp on good tune!
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Keep it All A6, no need for Mini me w/ turbo "more tuning" You will get just as much hp on good tune!

so keep the a6 huh? i like that idea. but if i decide later on after im turbo, i can just swap the head and have the turbo stuff "match" up? i know ill need an ecu, but
Blue99CivicSi sells them chipped and ready for wtf ever. i want to get the most out of the kit as possible. like ive stated before, my goal is 200whp. then the next goal will get 250 then 300, then 350, etc.....baby steps young grasshoppa.
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money is not an option.
well shit man , if money isnt an option i dont know what your gonna do.. will work for turbo?? haha just messin around man . good luck with your build.
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Old 02-21-2006, 12:25 AM   #14 (permalink)
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well shit man , if money isnt an option i dont know what your gonna do.. will work for turbo?? haha just messin around man . good luck with your build.
lol, im tired, leave me alone. good point though i meant "money is not a problem". its the time factor i fucking hate!!! i hate when shit comes up, like getting into a fight, somehow a kidney gets hit, you pee blood for a week and the insurance decides "lets have this fucker pay for it" and then your out lik $400 and your mechanic is waiting for the other half to get your shit done and out of the way......sorry about that. end of rant. lol
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A6 non vtec.. takes my vote.. p/p a6 head i'll take over a vtec head any day.. like others said it's your first motor dont get too involved..
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lol, im tired, leave me alone. good point though i meant "money is not a problem". its the time factor i fucking hate!!! i hate when shit comes up, like getting into a fight, somehow a kidney gets hit, you pee blood for a week and the insurance decides "lets have this fucker pay for it" and then your out lik $400 and your mechanic is waiting for the other half to get your shit done and out of the way......sorry about that. end of rant. lol
it was just funny to me because just last week i went with my friend to a body shop to get a quote for his del sol and he told the guy the same thing , "money isnt an option".. haha after we left i made fun of him for it and he still thought he said it right .. haha
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its straight. i work 9-10 hours at a warehouse, come home and get on here. my grammer and spelling is shit by then.
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To tell the truth it is up to you... VTEC adds a little torque/HP (depending on the turbo/setup) but there is more stuff to worry about (tuning VTEC, area before VTEC, X-over, etc.). But then you have a better powerband (again, depending on your setup).

Just be warned, it might take 2x as long to tune it with VTEC. That means 2x the dyno time and 2x the money used to tune.

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its official, im staying non-vtec for now.
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