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Old 03-31-2016, 06:57 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey all,
I'm in the process of building my car. So far I've built the engine with cp 9:1/eagles. I got too turbo kits, t3/t4 ar50/63 and wrx tdo4l.
t3/t4 is now on car, but I can switch between them to see what give me more powerband and max hp.

So now I have the option to buy a bisimoto 1.2 turbo cam. How well it will perform with my setup vs stock cam? Will it give me any broader poweband? More peak power? What are the benefits of this cam?

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Eh, i would say it would improve the car a bit, but youd have to get it tuned. Gotta have cam gears and better valve springs. I would go with the 2.4 though.
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Valve springs is a must? And how much hp it will gain over the stock cam? Is there any graph out there which compares both? Thanks.
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But didn't Bisimoto totally give up on Hondas? Seems like his entire website is dedicated to Porsche now...
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Yes if they go on Bisimoto sites, and read it doesnt say its a must but its HIGHLY RECOMMENDED. and dude. when i googled bisimoto 1.2 vs stock cam and this came up. (MIGHT BE BIAS, POSTED ON A BISIMOTO FORUM AND RESULTS POSTED BY BISIMOTO)

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I guess he is still selling honda cams in the used/clearance section.
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But didn't Bisimoto totally give up on Hondas? Seems like his entire website is dedicated to Porsche now...
It seems that way, although he has dedicated alot of stuff to the d-series...

TBH, his products are kinda overpriced and i read some threads on here about his welders at his factory and lets just say, they are NOT good...

I better shut up now...
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I hope he has increased the QC of his cam cores, they use to disintegrate after only a few thousand miles, even with oil additives and everything. Also some of his cams will wipe your LMA's out.

Either way no matter what cam you choose keep an eye on your valve lash, if you need to keep adjusting it then remove the cam and inspect for damage.
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yeah, please do some more reading on bisi. there are other companies that make cams. rocket I think is a member/vendor here. or colt, web, ect ect.
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I'd pay someone to work on my car before I spend a penny on anything shitymoto.

Edit, could we hijack this into a "I'd rather xxxxxx than support bisi thread?

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Use a web grind, not some shady ass grind specs that bisi put together and won't give you a cam card for
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Yes if they go on Bisimoto sites, and read it doesnt say its a must but its HIGHLY RECOMMENDED. and dude. when i googled bisimoto 1.2 vs stock cam and this came up. (MIGHT BE BIAS, POSTED ON A BISIMOTO FORUM AND RESULTS POSTED BY BISIMOTO)

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354whp
Gain: 47whp

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2.5" piping
Bisimoto level 1.2 vs Zex 59300
8 psi wastegate spring
Bisimoto gain: 50 whp and 35 ft/lbs

Bisimoto level 1.2 Cam,
Bisimoto Pro Springs
Vitara Pistons,
Eagle Rods,
Headstuds,
Ebay Turbo,
Pump Gas,
8psi/1 bar
234 whp, 192 ft/lbs (at low 8psi)
301 whp, 241 ft/lbs (at about 1 bar)

Bisimoto level 1.2 camshaft
Bisimoto Springs
Bisimoto Cam gear
stock sleeves .5mm overbore
CP 9:1 pistons
eagle rods
acl bearings
cometic gasket
arp studs
stock port head
edelbrock manifold
AFI turbo kit
SC61 turbo .63 t3
3" downpipe/exhaust
hondata S100
dual stage manual boost controller
boost was 22-23 psi falling at higher rpm to 20-21 psi
413 whp, +300 ft/lbs tq
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Check this Thread out over on HondaTech. Im pretty sure it has Dynocharts for the 2.4 but i cant see them cause im at school and images are blocked. To be honest. i cant really see any comparisons against stock... I would write down the specs of each cam then post on here and get peoples feedback from someone like slo_ego or chrisfrom1998 or whatever his name is.... Theyre D-Gods.

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I've already done lots of reasearch, and also saw this thread. They talk about bisi cams vs other modified cams. There is no comparison with a oem cam. Anyways, I prefer getting feedback someone other then the manufacturer, and you know why. Also, all the posts I found about bisi cams are pretty old and I thought it would be better to get some updated info.
Unfortunately, I couldn't find any bisi 1.2 vs stock cam comparison on the net.

Anyway, I bought the cam for a pretty decent price, so I'll try it and in the worse case sell it.

Does anyone has any info about camgear and valve adjustments with this cam?
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Ya avoid bisi like the plague. this guy put out some terrible parts in the last few years. so many threads on here about the poor quality.
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I bought the engine for parts because I got some good deal on it. I'll try the bisi 1.2 cam and hope to make a comparison against the stock cam.
Anyway, the seller told me that the valve springs are aftermarket. He didn't know what brand is it exactly.
I took one intake spring out, and by visual inspection it looks exatly like the oem ones, execpt for the color. Are there any aftermarket valve springs out there, which look similar to the oem ones?

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His springs are from Isky, they are good, just overpriced. heh
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Unless someone had the same setup that you have and tested the 2 different cam you're asking about on their setup no one is able to tell you the deference of how each cam perform.
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