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Old 01-27-2011, 03:04 PM   #1 (permalink)
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okay so heres the deal, hoping you guys can seriously help me. i spun a bearing due to my stock oil pump failing i believe. I was told KMS engineering builds custom pumps? i want 550 to 600 hp on my next set up i just dont know what to do about the oil situation, i DO NOT want to spin another bearing. any ideas? thanks
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you cant always blame the oil pump for spun bearings... most people blame the pump, but normally thats not the issue
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well my oil light was flashing lol it has got to be there was 500 miles on the motor and the only thing i didnt change was the oil pump..yes im an idiot lol but you live and you learn
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Any honda machine shop should be able to do it how much is kms charging
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kms says 190 and they make it according to your hp level.. someone told me to just use a stock pump bc he doesnt trust people messing with vital parts, but a stock pump for 500 plus hp doesnt seem good.. and what would a machine shop do exactly? just shim it? i dont mind paying the 190 if it works well. Does anyone have a comparison test of flow from kms vs a stock?
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just port a stock oil pump, don't shim it though, you really don't need the extra pressure, just the extra volume.
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^^ and that will be okay for 600hp?? what psi is oil pressure at up top if you do that compared to stock
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we port stock pumps all the time have pushed them to 650+hp even on a d-series no problems, we don' shim them though just reworked and smooth transitions, does the kms price include the pump or would you have to supply them one?

i would also look into bearing oil hole modification and crank chamfering as well those 3 things will go along way
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well my oil light was flashing lol it has got to be there was 500 miles on the motor and the only thing i didnt change was the oil pump..yes im an idiot lol but you live and you learn

it could have been clearance issues with the bearings, dirt particals while building, dirty pickup tube, improper torque..

you cant blame the oil pump everytime... take off the plate, and see if the one that was on there specs out.
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it could have been clearance issues with the bearings, dirt particals while building, dirty pickup tube, improper torque..

you cant blame the oil pump everytime... take off the plate, and see if the one that was on there specs out.
me and my builder did a tear down spun number 4 all the bearings had bubbles on them it looked like, he told me this happens when theres air in the pump or something like that like it doesnt flolw the oil consistantly does that sound correct?
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we port stock pumps all the time have pushed them to 650+hp even on a d-series no problems, we don' shim them though just reworked and smooth transitions, does the kms price include the pump or would you have to supply them one?

i would also look into bearing oil hole modification and crank chamfering as well those 3 things will go along way
yes the 190includes the pump is it a good idea?
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air in the oil..?? that wouldnt be pump related, that would be something related to not have a gasket on the pickup tube, and or not having enough oil in the car.


the #4 rod is normally the one to go.... the main bearings feed the rod bearings, if the mains look shitty, im willing to bet the motor while being built was dirty, or the bearing clearances wernt good.
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air in the oil..?? that wouldnt be pump related, that would be something related to not have a gasket on the pickup tube, and or not having enough oil in the car.


the #4 rod is normally the one to go.... the main bearings feed the rod bearings, if the mains look shitty, im willing to bet the motor while being built was dirty, or the bearing clearances wernt good.
i wish i knew exactly what it was lol thank you for all your help. well it doesnt hurt to have a good pump anyway so i still really need to know which one. what clearances do you usually use for a big 550hp build? any help would be great i dont want to mess this up next time
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i try and stick between .0015 and .0020 you should be just fine for bearing clearances
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i try and stick between .0015 and .0020 you should be just fine for bearing clearances
Agreed, loose is fast. Be clean and thorough with the build. Triple check torques and everything.
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^^ and that will be okay for 600hp?? what psi is oil pressure at up top if you do that compared to stock
oil pressure isn't going to change much, but you DO NOT want to over pressurize the system, you will blow seals and actually create my drag from the oil trying to get out and it can't. think about it this way, your bearings provide shims to keep oil between them and the surfaces the oil is protecting. maybe someone else can explain this a little better than me, i'm not to good at explaining things in my head.
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175 dollars from kms. According to them all the work was done internally. Shot peened too. I placed my order over the phone and it was cheaper then their website had listed.
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175 dollars from kms. According to them all the work was done internally. Shot peened too. I placed my order over the phone and it was cheaper then their website had listed.
being shot peened would be the selling point for me then.
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Too be honest with you I'm not sure how that will help( shot peen). It will probably be best to call them. To go over exactly what your getting.
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Too be honest with you I'm not sure how that will help( shot peen). It will probably be best to call them. To go over exactly what your getting.
it will add some strength to the pump gears to help from cracking them.
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