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Old 02-13-2010, 12:39 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I have a 1990 civic hatch with a D15b1 motor. Has 197,000 miles on it. I swapped it to a 1990 Civic Si 5 speed from a 4 speed manual and replaced the clutch as well. Everything worked fine.

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It ended up first having a defective clutch- had to replace it again. I put it back together and now I dont have a speedometer. Tachometer works though(swapped to Si cluster as well.)

What is causing this? Speedometer cable not hooked up right? Does it have to be inserted a certain way?

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is the sensor plugged in?
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two things..

1) are the plugs (including the cable from the VSS) to the cluster all plugged in?

2) is the input end of the cable fully inserted into the "VSS"?

after that, its probably an issue with the cluster. the cluster in your car has a direct link to the trans diff via the cable. if the cable is fully installed (correctly), then the needle should move as speed increases.
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Like bone says, cable
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two things..

1) are the plugs (including the cable from the VSS) to the cluster all plugged in?

2) is the input end of the cable fully inserted into the "VSS"?

after that, its probably an issue with the cluster. the cluster in your car has a direct link to the trans diff via the cable. if the cable is fully installed (correctly), then the needle should move as speed increases.
Is there any special way it inserts into the transmission? I checked the cluster and it is hooked up there.

It worked fine the first time about 3 months ago, but this time when I tried hooking it up the speedometer wasnt working.

I know that after driving for a few minutes the check engine light comes on due to the speedometer not working if that helps any
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Do you think it needs replaced or it just isnt hooked up right? I dont think the cable is inserting all the way into the transmission. But I cant figure out why.

I assume the brass colored portion should be flush all the way into the transmission? correct?
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Im going to say that the cable isnt seated into the trans right OR when you pulled the trans you pinched the cable and it has snapped internally...there is NO electronics involved with the speedo other than the lights that illumiate it..unless you have upgraded the ecu and harness.. i have seen spedo cables on egay for about $30 if you need a new one...
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Is there any way it needs to seat into the tranny? like how far down in is all the way?
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Im going to say that the cable isnt seated into the trans right OR when you pulled the trans you pinched the cable and it has snapped internally...there is NO electronics involved with the speedo other than the lights that illumiate it..unless you have upgraded the ecu and harness.. i have seen spedo cables on egay for about $30 if you need a new one...
Well that good at least they cheap. lol. I am going to continue looking into it. But yeah I think the cable hopefully just isnt seating in all the way
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there is a small U-shaped clip that will only clip in if its seated all the way down. if i remeber right the "brass-colored" portion should be all the way down
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Ok, that makes alot of sense now. That is what I was thinking. I will have to keep trying. lol that clip is being quite a pain to get in there
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disconnect the speedo cable at the transmission end and attach it to a drill and see if it starts to work then (it may be the gears that drive the speedo cable). if it works then you have a speedo gear problem or your not seating the cable properly. If it doesnt work you either havent connected it properly to the speedo cluster, or the cable could be busted/broke. Was the speedo jumpy/jerky at all before this happened, if so it was cable going bad.
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there is NO electronics involved with the speedo other than the lights that illumiate it..
yes and no. yes, the gears are driven mechanically. however, the cluster sends an electronic signal back to the ecu. even when you upgrade to obd1 management, you still keep the cable speedo.
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you should be able to test the cable by pulling it out of the trans and hooking a drill up to it and spinning it in reverse/forward, it should read a speed on the cluster if its good...
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jam that fucker into the tranny. sometimes they are a bit of a reverse slut, and are a trick to penetrate.
I will definitely be trying to do that. I can see that now. it is also ina shitty area to work with if you have big hands as well.

I am also going to try the drill method to test as well.
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disconnect the speedo cable at the transmission end and attach it to a drill and see if it starts to work then (it may be the gears that drive the speedo cable). if it works then you have a speedo gear problem or your not seating the cable properly. If it doesnt work you either havent connected it properly to the speedo cluster, or the cable could be busted/broke. Was the speedo jumpy/jerky at all before this happened, if so it was cable going bad.
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Not really jumpy or anything. worked great until this time. But Iknow it is at least not seated right for sure too. I will drill test it first. if it works, then I will try danz method of forcing it in.
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the one on my 1990 cx is tricky.. sometimes it goes right in, and sometimes it takes a little coercion.
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