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Old 10-17-2012, 04:39 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Smanager blows. Period.

I dislike the demon because of constant emi disconnect issues. Start a pull, loose logging at about 6200rpm. Very annoying. Plus crome doesn't support it properly; and nobody wants to write a logger protocol for obd0 to make it work (they will probably port the Crome protocol).

I myself wish I could have my ostrich and Neptune along with Ectune. When I want to tune a customers car, my ostrich setup is reliable with all softwares; then I upload the calibration to their emulator and don't worry about disconnects.


I do plan to get a demon with licensing for both softwares; this way of I want anti start, upload Neptune, etc. Also would be nice for my ecu test bench. As I like to find bugs in software.
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I love ectune, its an AWESOME program. im totally happy with it. but i wouldnt recommend it because you cant buy it anymore. LOL

Support is no more.


Neptune is everything that ectune is, plus awesome support. go neptune!!

ive used s300 as well, and honestly, the hardware was nice, but the software was JANK!!!
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i saw the ectune debacle coming from a mile away, i tried the program and found that neptune had a few features i liked better. Mainly the anti-theft and the self help guides within the software. Neptune is the best tuning platform ive used to date.
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I've only used Neptune, it was pretty easy to learn.

Like others are saying, the support is really good. Every time I've asked a question on his forum, I've gotten a response back very quickly. Usually within 20-30 minutes.
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Neptune Pros:
I tune with Neptune. We set Dyno Records with it. And even won the Nationals with it. I am also a Neptune Dealer.
Support is good. As in he will respond to all your e-mails. May even add a feature if you ask for it.

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But I dont know if its just me but the dam thing hangs all the time.
Never had a single hang or s/w crash with Chrome + Ostrich.

Also a lot of times when you go to download the logs it will go upto 99% and hang.
First I thought it was my laptop so I upgraded to a i7 IBM W520. But it still behaves the same.

I like the look and feel off Smanager. But after what they did to PGMFI.ORG wont touch their product.

I also like the look and feel of ectune. Plus it has some features you do not see in Nepune. I guess the grass is always greener on the other side. Sometimes if Im confused with a Neptune feature I will chk it out in ectune or smanager because the options and menu texts are easier to understand.

Why cant you buy ectune. I just downloaded a copy from their site.

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I got superb support form David @ Moates net. One of the few companies that treated us with respect. When he heard we had a possible failure with one of the boards. He sent me a replacement to reach in time for the races even before I could return the blown unit. Very different from the support we got form Bisi Moto.

I have no idea why Crome + Ostrich is so stable. After all EMI / EFI should be the same for what ever solution you run right ?
One thing is for sure. I doubt we would have made this kind of power on Chrome.

My only dream is that he will compile neptune on a native windows compiler. Im sure it will run much better.

If you have a mac. I would just buy neptune and call it a day.
Yeah it helps if you've been building and tuning carbed engines for a decade or two. But its not a must have skill. Tuning EFI at least the basic stuff is dead easy.
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I have eCtune and i like it, surprisingly calvin has been very helpful to me and has been very prompt to my needs in these past 2 weeks. I just wish he would finish the program ie anti theft and stuff. If i were you i would probably look into neptune though.
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I have no idea why Crome + Ostrich is so stable. After all EMI / EFI should be the same for what ever solution you run right ?
One thing is for sure. I doubt we would have made this kind of power on Chrome.
Can you explain what you mean here. I'm a bit lost sorry.

Do you mean that the combination of chrome and an ostrich works well no problems but you are able to make more power with Neptune and a demon?



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Yes that what Im saying. I never had a single hang or issue with ostrich + Chrome.
But if you want to make serious power. Chrome just dont cut it. I cant explain why.
Its not like we did back to back tests or anything just a gut feeling. The second I switched to Neptune the car seemed to respond better.
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Kool, thanks guys for all the advice, think I'll go with the Neptune
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Ron, before I have an apoplectic fit: CROME. Not Chrome. That is almost as maddening as VTECH.

CROME stands for Cui's ROM Editor, just in case anyone didn't know that.
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I love Neptune's interface. My only problem with it is that it doesn't support the ostrich.

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Bother HRTuning about the Ostrich version. It has been intimated that if enough people bother them about it, it will happen.
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they wont be releasing an ostrich version any time soon.



rdc, you got lucky with crome. it freezes more than any program ive ever used, and there are more tricks to make it work than i care to remember.
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rdc, you got lucky with crome. it freezes more than any program ive ever used, and there are more tricks to make it work than i care to remember.
yea this ive seen personally when my tuner getting it to work and datalog
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Don't just hope, bother them incessantly. The more people bother them, the more motivated they will be to bring it back to market. There is even a possibility of "trading in" an ECTUNE license for a discount.

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BOOOOOO! Maybe true, but bother them! Seriously.

rdc, you got lucky with crome. it freezes more than any program ive ever used, and there are more tricks to make it work than i care to remember.
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I know; I'll send a message to hr; I remember long threads on pgmfi

I love having ectune; only played with Neptune once do I can't say much more than its solid.


I haven't had many issues with Crome in a while. Only when my ostrich can't be devendorized by ectune. That's it.

I've also had huge issues logging with my innovate thru ectune. Luckily my tuning ecu has a analog cable wired in so I can still get an afr the old way.... But if I'm in the passenger seat logworks works fine as a standby.

I just need to get my hands on an emulator with Neptune and start playing with it; I've wanted to for a bit.
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