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Old 08-06-2006, 09:15 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Why do people say use D16y8 timing gear with z6 mini-me?

Why do people say use D16y8 timing gear with z6 mini-me on to a D15b2 head??

Surely i should be using z6 gear but i'm sure i have read in other topics that this is not correct, can someone clear me up on this?

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Old 08-06-2006, 10:26 AM   #2 (permalink)
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do you mean a z6 head on b2 block? well they use it because the mini me on a 1.5 block will offset the timing, and the y8 camgear is offset from the z6 camgear by the same amount.

it's a cheap alternative to getting a adj. cam gear.
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Old 08-06-2006, 10:30 AM   #3 (permalink)
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There is a difference in deck heights between the z6 and b7 so when the z6 cam gear is used for the z6 head the difference makes the cam either advanced or retarded 4.75* depending on which way you set the half tooth error. The y7/y8 cam gear get it close to zero. I can't remember how much but try a search or check the sticky about cam gears with different cam shafts.
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Old 08-06-2006, 11:05 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Ok but if i'm purchasing adjustable timing gear (which i am) it needs to be for a D16 z6 then if thats the head i'm using, is that correct??

Also i have ordered a gasket set for the head as a d16y8 because you get the metal gasket then, is that correct??

Please correct me if i'm wrong and thanks for being patient with me!

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If you're planning on buying an adjustable cam gear i'd say get the D16y8 cam gear so that you can still advance and retard the timing 10 degrees.
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Old 08-06-2006, 11:33 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Ok thanks, i have looked around for the sticky mentioned but in it no one knew how far the timing was out with a D16z6 head on a d15 block using Y8 gear, is there anyone than can help at all??

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Old 08-06-2006, 10:29 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Id like to know something. My mini is a b7 bottom with a z6 head. We used the same timing belt off the 1.5 it seems to work fine. We are idling at around 800rpm which seems fine but our timing is advanced ALL the way, we cant advance it anymore even if we wanted to. Were trying to figure out why our 1/4 times are so low but im not worrying about it since im already saving for a full z6, build it, and boost it. but it still makes me mad- didn't pay a lot for the mini either way.
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^^ the cam timing is probably 1/2 tooth retarded then if you have it cranked towards the advanced side and is barely in time.....
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Old 08-07-2006, 04:11 AM   #9 (permalink)
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when doing a z6 head onto a d15 am i right in sayin that i need to use the 104 tooth belt from the z6 as well??

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Old 08-07-2006, 10:04 AM   #10 (permalink)
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i read on hondatech that when you are doing a mini me you should get the correct timing belt- which we are doing today. Hopefully this will fix our problem. Were runnin a best of 16.5s at our track- pretty hot and humid but kinda disappointed when everyone on hondatech is runnin mid to high 15s in their mini
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i do beleive the d15z1 timing belt is the one you want
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Use the timing belt that goes with the head, the y8 adj gear will allow you to advance or retard 10* if you want to. If you get a z6 adj gear then your going to have to set the gear either 4.75 advance or retard to be at true zero. Many have their cam gear set at 2* retarded and it seems to work well if you got the z6 adj gear it just gets hard to keep track of what's going on with your timing but it will work.
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Arent all the cam gears the same?
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Arent all the cam gears the same?
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I went outside to the many motors that I have and the d15bs are the same as the y8.
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I went outside to the many motors that I have and the d15bs are the same as the y8.
negative....the keyway slot on the y8 is offset. the d15b keyway is totally inline with 'UP'.
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Arent all the cam gears the same?
if they were the same why would EVERYONE that replies tell them to get a y8...... or why would they make different aftermarket ones for the z6 and y8...
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negative....the keyway slot on the y8 is offset. the d15b keyway is totally inline with 'UP'.
So what does it do when you put a d15b2 cam gear on a Y8 head? Cause I had a mini-me for about 2 years that had it. Im just wondering.
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so...you put a stock b2 cam gear on a b2/y8 mini me? either your timing is off or it's set on zero. either way, it's not going to be off more than +/- 5 degrees, so it'll still run fine.

if you take a y8 and line it up to the z6/b7/b2 etc cam gear, you'll see that they dont line up properly to the "notch" for the camshaft.
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so...you put a stock b2 cam gear on a b2/y8 mini me? either your timing is off or it's set on zero. either way, it's not going to be off more than +/- 5 degrees, so it'll still run fine.

if you take a y8 and line it up to the z6/b7/b2 etc cam gear, you'll see that they dont line up properly to the "notch" for the camshaft.
Oh alright. Cool, I was wondering. Thanks for the reply.
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