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08-14-2005, 08:26 PM

dang
i just spent 580$ on my arias 11 compression pistons
i do have the crower stage 3 cam along with the valves and springs
skunk2 ti retainers and skunk2 adj cam gear
waiting on my eagle heavy duty h-beam rods and then im headed to the machine shop
milling the head .030 to get the compression a little over 12
pnp, 3 angle valve job etc will be done as well

eg4 · 08-16-2005, 01:40 AM

now I have my d16a6 block. I figgured out that this block with p29 pistons, y8 head and a6 headgasket rise the compression to 12,3. Is the a6 gasket ok? because its much cheaper then an cometic or apexi gasket

builthatch · 08-16-2005, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eg4

now I have my d16a6 block. I figgured out that this block with p29 pistons, y8 head and a6 headgasket rise the compression to 12,3. Is the a6 gasket ok? because its much cheaper then an cometic or apexi gasket

hmm..well it depends on what will run the engine (ecu) the quality of the manipulation/ tuning of that system and the available fuel.

12.3:1, with a good tune (wide-band, heathy a/f and conservative timing maps), cold spark plugs and 93 or 94 octane is definately doable.

what thickness and material is that gasket? is it OE honda?

builthatch · 08-16-2005, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D16Z6Hatch

dang
i just spent 580$ on my arias 11 compression pistons
i do have the crower stage 3 cam along with the valves and springs
skunk2 ti retainers and skunk2 adj cam gear
waiting on my eagle heavy duty h-beam rods and then im headed to the machine shop
milling the head .030 to get the compression a little over 12
pnp, 3 angle valve job etc will be done as well

this setup sounds like a good candidate for an NX nitrous system and NepTune.

hachirokukid · 08-17-2005, 02:35 AM

you damn right!! it has spray me written all over.....neptunes is kinda expencive thou....

builthatch · 08-17-2005, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by hachirokukid

you damn right!! it has spray me written all over.....neptunes is kinda expencive thou....

it's 100bux!

hachirokukid · 08-17-2005, 04:17 PM

yeah bad i was thinking about the whe you want to distribute it...its 5gs to become a dealer as apose to 150 bux for crome....

eg4 · 08-19-2005, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by builthatch

hmm..well it depends on what will run the engine (ecu) the quality of the manipulation/ tuning of that system and the available fuel.

12.3:1, with a good tune (wide-band, heathy a/f and conservative timing maps), cold spark plugs and 93 or 94 octane is definately doable.

what thickness and material is that gasket? is it OE honda?

i dont know, I think the oem gasket is metal. Which spark plugs did you mean, the oem honda? yes the ecu get a good tune, and we have 98 octane in germany

08-20-2005, 06:29 AM

what about ls rods and HX pistons in a Z6 any issues there

builthatch · 08-20-2005, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eg4

i dont know, I think the oem gasket is metal. Which spark plugs did you mean, the oem honda? yes the ecu get a good tune, and we have 98 octane in germany

by colder plugs i meant a heat range that is one-two steps colder like what i describe in the first post of this thread. with NGK, the higher the number, the colder the plug. 98 octane will allow for some more timing than us running pump gas stateside.

08-23-2005, 04:01 PM

i have a

D16A6 Block.
D16Z6 Head.
Crower Stage 2 cam, springs, retainers.
Omni power valves.
A-N-R Header.
Edelbrock Intake Mani.
Edelbrock 65mm Throttle Bodie.
ZC Pistons.
Eagle H-Beam Rods.
All ARP Bolts.
255 Walbro.
310 injectors.
3 angle valve jobs.
port~n~Polish.
and want to run an S20 Tranny if i can ever find one.

I hope to make around 170 WHP.

Tuned with Crome. P28 ECU. OBD-1

is this reachable with my setup.

Honda4VW · 08-23-2005, 04:16 PM

You should be able to do it with race gas.....pump gas....iffy, unless you run some major timing, and have thatthing tuned perfectly

08-25-2005, 03:31 PM

In addition to the IM's - I had no issues with my DarkForce CAI mounting to the Edelbrock IM on my ej2

red4 · 08-25-2005, 03:52 PM

this is an awesome thread with lots of info. i just wanted to give props to builthatch for compiling all of this information for us. i've been thinking more and more about an NA build lately, and how much easier could it get then using a bunch of OEM parts, lol.

ghettoracer · 10-04-2005, 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mustwonder

i have a

D16A6 Block.
D16Z6 Head.
Crower Stage 2 cam, springs, retainers.
Omni power valves.
A-N-R Header.
Edelbrock Intake Mani.
Edelbrock 65mm Throttle Bodie.
ZC Pistons.
Eagle H-Beam Rods.
All ARP Bolts.
255 Walbro.
310 injectors.
3 angle valve jobs.
port~n~Polish.
and want to run an S20 Tranny if i can ever find one.

I hope to make around 170 WHP.

Tuned with Crome. P28 ECU. OBD-1

is this reachable with my setup.

that sounds like a nice build up. should be close with a good tune. keep everybody posted.

ghettoracer · 10-04-2005, 07:31 AM

nice post builthatch, what do p29 pistons weight?

builthatch · 10-19-2005, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghettoracer

nice post builthatch, what do p29 pistons weight?

that's a good question, frank...

i used to have the weights of all the d pistons (for some reason)

if i recall, they are almost the same weight as a6 pistons.

ghettoracer · 10-20-2005, 10:40 AM

larry's NA roller waves are listed at 280 grams, pins 80 grams. what do stock z6 pistons weight? i'm pleasantly suprised by the performance of my z6, now i want to do a budget NA build...

Eyal 951 · 10-26-2005, 03:24 PM

great write up! What about the flat top PM3 piston (D15B7) flat top is better then dome imo, and from the calculators i have seen, with a 2 layer HG, should put me right at 11.9:1 CR with overbore.
~Eyal

builthatch · 10-26-2005, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eyal 951

great write up! What about the flat top PM3 piston (D15B7) flat top is better then dome imo, and from the calculators i have seen, with a 2 layer HG, should put me right at 11.9:1 CR with overbore.
~Eyal

that piston would stick out of the bore if you used d16 rods, wouldn't it?

i also am thinking that there would be a rod journal size mismatch to the d16 crank if you used anything else...

it's been a while since i've had to think about this, but i think i am right....correct me please if i am wrong.

another thing to consider, even if you could get an appropriate rod situation to keep it the right height in the cylinder is the relationship w/ a big cam opening the valves vs. the reliefs on the pm3.

if you favor a flat top piston, you could look into a pg6b piston from 86-87 teg, however, with a big cam, there is concern about the valve reliefs in my mind. i know people who have had the reliefs machined for clearance, but i have no personal experience with using these pistons.

08-16-2005, 01:40 AM	#42 (permalink)
eg4 D-series PIMP iTrader: (5) Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: dresden, germany Posts: 1,286 Rep Power: 7	now I have my d16a6 block. I figgured out that this block with p29 pistons, y8 head and a6 headgasket rise the compression to 12,3. Is the a6 gasket ok? because its much cheaper then an cometic or apexi gasket __________________ current setup: ported d16y8 head AEM TRUTIME camgear 105300 cam ferrea 20º Super Flo. 1 mm oversize valves zex valve springs Edelbrock Performer X 62mm TB d16a6 block 76mm p29 pistons walbro 255lph 100cel catalytic convertor fidanza 7lbs flywheel dc2 catback comptech header CROME tuned p28 ecu 12,5:1 cr 4,43FD http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6483/civicoi8.jpg

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08-14-2005, 08:26 PM	#41 (permalink)
D16Z6Hatch Guest Posts: n/a	dang i just spent 580$ on my arias 11 compression pistons i do have the crower stage 3 cam along with the valves and springs skunk2 ti retainers and skunk2 adj cam gear waiting on my eagle heavy duty h-beam rods and then im headed to the machine shop milling the head .030 to get the compression a little over 12 pnp, 3 angle valve job etc will be done as well

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08-20-2005, 06:29 AM	#49 (permalink)
90redcrx Guest Posts: n/a	what about ls rods and HX pistons in a Z6 any issues there

08-23-2005, 04:01 PM	#51 (permalink)
mustwonder Guest Posts: n/a	i have a D16A6 Block. D16Z6 Head. Crower Stage 2 cam, springs, retainers. Omni power valves. A-N-R Header. Edelbrock Intake Mani. Edelbrock 65mm Throttle Bodie. ZC Pistons. Eagle H-Beam Rods. All ARP Bolts. 255 Walbro. 310 injectors. 3 angle valve jobs. port~n~Polish. and want to run an S20 Tranny if i can ever find one. I hope to make around 170 WHP. Tuned with Crome. P28 ECU. OBD-1 is this reachable with my setup.

08-25-2005, 03:31 PM	#53 (permalink)
TuningOptions Guest Posts: n/a	In addition to the IM's - I had no issues with my DarkForce CAI mounting to the Edelbrock IM on my ej2

10-04-2005, 07:31 AM	#56 (permalink)
ghettoracer D-Series cadet iTrader: (0) Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: land of happy motoring, sunny northern california Posts: 316 Rep Power: 7	nice post builthatch, what do p29 pistons weight? __________________ AKMEE D16Z6/Y8 Type-S cam dyno tuned - 138.8 whp; 7.8 whp peak, 20.4 whp @ 7700! G.SPEED Racing Est. 1995 - http://www.g-speed.com AKMEE Engineering Est. 2004 - http://www.akmee.com ex b16a.com owner (b16a fan since 1989) 95 EG2 del Sol VTEC - big red delly-O 94 EG6 Civic Si - project remix representing SOHC! RIP remix! I will miss you so much. project remix2 - EF wagon?! Z6 turbo?

10-20-2005, 10:40 AM	#58 (permalink)
ghettoracer D-Series cadet iTrader: (0) Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: land of happy motoring, sunny northern california Posts: 316 Rep Power: 7	larry's NA roller waves are listed at 280 grams, pins 80 grams. what do stock z6 pistons weight? i'm pleasantly suprised by the performance of my z6, now i want to do a budget NA build... __________________ AKMEE D16Z6/Y8 Type-S cam dyno tuned - 138.8 whp; 7.8 whp peak, 20.4 whp @ 7700! G.SPEED Racing Est. 1995 - http://www.g-speed.com AKMEE Engineering Est. 2004 - http://www.akmee.com ex b16a.com owner (b16a fan since 1989) 95 EG2 del Sol VTEC - big red delly-O 94 EG6 Civic Si - project remix representing SOHC! RIP remix! I will miss you so much. project remix2 - EF wagon?! Z6 turbo?

10-26-2005, 03:24 PM	#59 (permalink)
Eyal 951 wise in the ways of the D iTrader: (13) Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,650 Rep Power: 6	great write up! What about the flat top PM3 piston (D15B7) flat top is better then dome imo, and from the calculators i have seen, with a 2 layer HG, should put me right at 11.9:1 CR with overbore. ~Eyal

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