d15b2/d16z6 mini me - D-series.org

89c1vicdx · 06-25-2011, 12:18 AM

hey new here im lookin to do a mini me on my 89 civic dx an need to know what all parts i need an exactly how to do it iv looked all over web an there is so many ways of doin it im lookin for the easiest an correct way to do it

Zen Chameleon · 06-25-2011, 12:27 AM

isn't that basically what 88CRX has been working on? if so then he will be right in to help lol

EDIT: or not haha

Evanguy · 06-25-2011, 11:37 AM

if you really searched you would have noticed that there is like 7 parts that most every mini me uses.

you will need the same parts for any mini me setup. so both of these right ups will work for you
FAQ: D15 SOHC VTEC Mini-Me : Massive Write-Up (56k Goodbye) - Honda-Tech
[FAQ] D16Y7 / Y8 MINI-ME WRITE-UP.... WITH PICS (56k, maybe not) - Honda-Tech

vtec- Head
non vtec- Block
Ecu- for the head your using
Distributor- for the head your using
Intake Manifold- for the head your using
Headgasket and timing belt- for which ever head you choose to use
OBD1 Injectors, if converting...

89c1vicdx · 06-25-2011, 12:17 PM

Is there a way I can do the vtec an still use my dpfi intake??

Evanguy · 06-25-2011, 12:39 PM

i think so, you would have to use a dpfi ecu and get it chipped and converted into a vtec ecu(not to sure about this i just heard of it) and once it was chipped you could get it tuned because the stock maps will probably be no good for the motor you just built.

way easier to just use a D16Z6 Head, Dizzy, Ecu, Intake manifold, throtel body and fuel rail

just find a complete z6 head

Honda D-Series Compression Calculator by ZealAutowerks
use this^^ to figure some things out about comp and what head would be the best for you and if your going to rebuild the bottom end this will help with your piston choise

89c1vicdx · 06-25-2011, 12:52 PM

Oh ok can I use my stock wiring harness an just add the extra wires??

Evanguy · 06-25-2011, 12:57 PM

yeah it should be a few wires for MPFI and then 2 for vtec to work.(1 for vtec solenoid and 1 for oil pressure sensor)

if your unsure of what your doing you can just convert your car to MPFI befor you do the head swap so its just one thing at a time and if you run in to problems it will be easier to figure out where yoou went wrong. once you get MPFI working then do the head swap you seem pretty new at this its probably your best way of doing it

89c1vicdx · 06-25-2011, 01:01 PM

Lol ya just at doin the swap lol iv rebuilt engines an stuff but nothin like this ya I think I will do the dpfi to mpfi swap first. Will I be able to use my header for the d15 since I just put it on like 2 days ago

89c1vicdx · 06-25-2011, 01:03 PM

Oh an doin the mpfi swap can I use my stock ecu till I do the mini me?

Evanguy · 06-25-2011, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 89c1vicdx

Oh an doin the mpfi swap can I use my stock ecu till I do the mini me?

not sure but i really dont think so since its set up for only 2 injectors not 4. but i have no clue thats just a guess.

89c1vicdx · 06-25-2011, 01:10 PM

oh ok I'll do more research on it than lol what u drive

baajaa · 06-25-2011, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evanguy

if you really searched you would have noticed that there is like 7 parts that most every mini me uses.

you will need the same parts for any mini me setup. so both of these right ups will work for you
FAQ: D15 SOHC VTEC Mini-Me : Massive Write-Up (56k Goodbye) - Honda-Tech
[FAQ] D16Y7 / Y8 MINI-ME WRITE-UP.... WITH PICS (56k, maybe not) - Honda-Tech

vtec- Head
non vtec- Block
Ecu- for the head your using
Distributor- for the head your using
Intake Manifold- for the head your using
Headgasket and timing belt- for which ever head you choose to use
OBD1 Injectors, if converting...

Head studs for the head you use is also nessasary. Contact arp , describe what you are doing, and order your studs. Studs are better than bolts any fay of the week.

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Originally Posted by 89c1vicdx

Is there a way I can do the vtec an still use my dpfi intake??

Im sure, but why would you want to do that if the other intake and fuel delivery system is superior?

Quote:

Originally Posted by 89c1vicdx

Oh ok can I use my stock wiring harness an just add the extra wires??

Yes, but using the factory harness for that particular head is not only easier, but more reliable. Unless your a wiring wizard.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 89c1vicdx

Lol ya just at doin the swap lol iv rebuilt engines an stuff but nothin like this ya I think I will do the dpfi to mpfi swap first. Will I be able to use my header for the d15 since I just put it on like 2 days ago

The bolt patterns are the same. So yes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 89c1vicdx

Oh an doin the mpfi swap can I use my stock ecu till I do the mini me?

I would assume not. The factory ecu is set up for two injectors. You could add two more, by splicing the wires.. but your injector output would be half of what it should be. So your injectors will be flowing half of what they should. This is in no way fact, because I haven't searched it. Im just using my own personal knowledge of ohm's and electrical resistance to form a non-factual conclusion.

My personal opinion..
Get a complete z6 head including throttle body, injectors, all sensors and intake manifold.
Get the complete z6 wiring harness.
z6 stock ecu (p28. ), chip it. Load up a stock basemap. Crome comes with a stock z6 map, so downloading the program and uploading the bin file is all you have to do.
Arp headstuds for better reliability.
headgasket. Preferably a mls one.
Get an adjustable cam gear, so you can set the mechanical timing perfectly.
Cool air intake.
Take car to a tuner, or tune it yourself after you do some research.

This isn't nessasary, but I recommend it..
have your head completely cleaned, and have all seals replaced.
deck it for flatness.
Have the intake ports worked over so all casting bumps and marks are removed.
Do the same to exhaust, but polish it.
Polish combustion chambers.
Call up delta, and get a 272 regrind on your cam.

That all must be done before head is installed for the first time. So you only have to tune it once.

Personal opinions, nothing more.
goodluck on your build buddy.

Evanguy · 06-25-2011, 02:04 PM

i drive a bone stock 91 ef hatch SI. right now......had others will have others, a few projects on the go. I JUST LOVE EF HATCHES more then any other cars on the road (for under $100k)

BryanK20 · 06-25-2011, 02:09 PM

no you cant use the DPFI ecu when converted to MPFI. You need the PM6 ECU and a Si (A6) distributor as well

89c1vicdx · 06-25-2011, 02:21 PM

Ah I see thanks baajaa an ya the hatchbacks are nice but I like the 4dr civics a lil more I have a 89 civic dx just put 4-2-1 header an test pipe on the other day to go along with my exhaust but it seems to idle a lil diff is that normal? Its not idlin rough or missin it just sounds diff when idles but has a lot better throttle response

89c1vicdx · 06-25-2011, 02:30 PM

An the a6 dist will mount onto my b2 head? Will I need to change plugs an wires to than?

89c1vicdx · 06-25-2011, 04:35 PM

Well gotta work if anyone has anymore good info an advice email me at kottonmouth2009@gmail.com thanks for the help guys

06-25-2011, 12:18 AM	#1 (permalink)
89c1vicdx D-Series cadet iTrader: (1) Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 334 Rep Power: 3	d15b2/d16z6 mini me hey new here im lookin to do a mini me on my 89 civic dx an need to know what all parts i need an exactly how to do it iv looked all over web an there is so many ways of doin it im lookin for the easiest an correct way to do it

06-25-2011, 11:37 AM	#3 (permalink)
Evanguy D-series PIMP iTrader: (7) Join Date: May 2011 Location: Nova Scotia, Canada Posts: 1,015 Rep Power: 4	if you really searched you would have noticed that there is like 7 parts that most every mini me uses. you will need the same parts for any mini me setup. so both of these right ups will work for you FAQ: D15 SOHC VTEC Mini-Me : Massive Write-Up (56k Goodbye) - Honda-Tech [FAQ] D16Y7 / Y8 MINI-ME WRITE-UP.... WITH PICS (56k, maybe not) - Honda-Tech vtec- Head non vtec- Block Ecu- for the head your using Distributor- for the head your using Intake Manifold- for the head your using Headgasket and timing belt- for which ever head you choose to use OBD1 Injectors, if converting... __________________ I'm so JDM, i sleep on the right hand side of my bed WTB: 1 forged piston http://www.d-series.org/forums/want-...ml#post2963890 My NA D17Y8 build http://www.d-series.org/forums/showc...ml#post2525188

06-25-2011, 12:39 PM	#5 (permalink)
Evanguy D-series PIMP iTrader: (7) Join Date: May 2011 Location: Nova Scotia, Canada Posts: 1,015 Rep Power: 4	i think so, you would have to use a dpfi ecu and get it chipped and converted into a vtec ecu(not to sure about this i just heard of it) and once it was chipped you could get it tuned because the stock maps will probably be no good for the motor you just built. way easier to just use a D16Z6 Head, Dizzy, Ecu, Intake manifold, throtel body and fuel rail just find a complete z6 head Honda D-Series Compression Calculator by ZealAutowerks use this^^ to figure some things out about comp and what head would be the best for you and if your going to rebuild the bottom end this will help with your piston choise __________________ I'm so JDM, i sleep on the right hand side of my bed WTB: 1 forged piston http://www.d-series.org/forums/want-...ml#post2963890 My NA D17Y8 build http://www.d-series.org/forums/showc...ml#post2525188

06-25-2011, 12:57 PM	#7 (permalink)
Evanguy D-series PIMP iTrader: (7) Join Date: May 2011 Location: Nova Scotia, Canada Posts: 1,015 Rep Power: 4	yeah it should be a few wires for MPFI and then 2 for vtec to work.(1 for vtec solenoid and 1 for oil pressure sensor) if your unsure of what your doing you can just convert your car to MPFI befor you do the head swap so its just one thing at a time and if you run in to problems it will be easier to figure out where yoou went wrong. once you get MPFI working then do the head swap you seem pretty new at this its probably your best way of doing it __________________ I'm so JDM, i sleep on the right hand side of my bed WTB: 1 forged piston http://www.d-series.org/forums/want-...ml#post2963890 My NA D17Y8 build http://www.d-series.org/forums/showc...ml#post2525188

06-25-2011, 02:04 PM	#13 (permalink)
Evanguy D-series PIMP iTrader: (7) Join Date: May 2011 Location: Nova Scotia, Canada Posts: 1,015 Rep Power: 4	i drive a bone stock 91 ef hatch SI. right now......had others will have others, a few projects on the go. I JUST LOVE EF HATCHES more then any other cars on the road (for under $100k) __________________ I'm so JDM, i sleep on the right hand side of my bed WTB: 1 forged piston http://www.d-series.org/forums/want-...ml#post2963890 My NA D17Y8 build http://www.d-series.org/forums/showc...ml#post2525188

06-25-2011, 12:17 PM	#4 (permalink)
89c1vicdx D-Series cadet iTrader: (1) Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 334 Rep Power: 3	Is there a way I can do the vtec an still use my dpfi intake??

06-25-2011, 12:52 PM	#6 (permalink)
89c1vicdx D-Series cadet iTrader: (1) Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 334 Rep Power: 3	Oh ok can I use my stock wiring harness an just add the extra wires??

06-25-2011, 01:01 PM	#8 (permalink)
89c1vicdx D-Series cadet iTrader: (1) Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 334 Rep Power: 3	Lol ya just at doin the swap lol iv rebuilt engines an stuff but nothin like this ya I think I will do the dpfi to mpfi swap first. Will I be able to use my header for the d15 since I just put it on like 2 days ago

06-25-2011, 01:03 PM	#9 (permalink)
89c1vicdx D-Series cadet iTrader: (1) Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 334 Rep Power: 3	Oh an doin the mpfi swap can I use my stock ecu till I do the mini me?

06-25-2011, 01:10 PM	#11 (permalink)
89c1vicdx D-Series cadet iTrader: (1) Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 334 Rep Power: 3	oh ok I'll do more research on it than lol what u drive

06-25-2011, 02:09 PM	#14 (permalink)
BryanK20 D-series soldier iTrader: (0) Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 580 Rep Power: 7	no you cant use the DPFI ecu when converted to MPFI. You need the PM6 ECU and a Si (A6) distributor as well __________________ *1995 Civic EX*

06-25-2011, 02:21 PM	#15 (permalink)
89c1vicdx D-Series cadet iTrader: (1) Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 334 Rep Power: 3	Ah I see thanks baajaa an ya the hatchbacks are nice but I like the 4dr civics a lil more I have a 89 civic dx just put 4-2-1 header an test pipe on the other day to go along with my exhaust but it seems to idle a lil diff is that normal? Its not idlin rough or missin it just sounds diff when idles but has a lot better throttle response

06-25-2011, 02:30 PM	#16 (permalink)
89c1vicdx D-Series cadet iTrader: (1) Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 334 Rep Power: 3	An the a6 dist will mount onto my b2 head? Will I need to change plugs an wires to than?

06-25-2011, 04:35 PM	#17 (permalink)
89c1vicdx D-Series cadet iTrader: (1) Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 334 Rep Power: 3	Well gotta work if anyone has anymore good info an advice email me at kottonmouth2009@gmail.com thanks for the help guys

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