Does mini me have a chance with Ls and GSR integra?

[4drint3gr4]

Has anyone raced their mini me with gsr and ls with basic bolt ons? What are the chances of a mini me (d15b7 block with a z6 head) have with either dohcs? Basic bolt on gsr and ls integra. What are the chances of beating them? If anyone raced either or both let me know what happened.

[4drint3gr4]

the mini me above in a 92 dx. Does mini me have a chance with them dohc integras?

[BLACK-KNIGHT]

i was able to take a ls with my d15b7 minime swap with a y8 head but it depends on tranny parts their is just to many variables driver cant drive etc this is really a stupid question.

[jdmvong]

i was able to take a ls with my d15b7 minime swap with a y8 head but it depends on tranny parts their is just to many variables driver cant drive etc this is really a stupid question.
true dat

[guest]

I would like to think a LS or a GSR would kill a mini-me. Not even close to the same power. a GSR with bolt-ons will KILL a mini-me!!!!!!! I know someone that had a GSR with bolt ons and it was F#$king fast!

Edit, a LS maybe.

If your going by power and weight (and tranny really) and assumping the driver are equal
a stock LS in the integra it came from with no bolt and you have a SI or EX tranny.

[Hellhatch]

I think you can take the ls but the gsr no way too much power. Transmissions are a big factor.

[YoungGuna267]

my d16 crx with just an itake beat a 95 integra rs.........but it was automatic.

[hondajosh]

I think the mini me would destory an LS but the GS-R would kick your ASS

[91DX Sedan]

but if a total douchecock(slow reflex, scared, no shift game) is driving, you will spankem every time.

[buzzbomb]

but if a total douchecock(slow reflex, scared, no shift game) is driving, you will spankem every time.
No matter what they have

[civicseth]

I doubt a minime will beat even an LS. That is, unless it has some other work done, besides just the head swap. Especially if it's a DX tranny. There is just too big of a difference in power.

[DirtyDC4]

If the LS has a GSR or B16 trans and a decent driver, mini-me going down...down down down...

GSR, you have no chance.

[guest]

^^ not really. A ls only has 142 chp. a mini-me is probably pushing 130-135, well if you use the vtec IM and header and if it's a 1.6 mini-me, I would assume because of the compression increase. bolt ons, would easily put it at about the same power. Then if you have an si or ex tranny and the ls has the stock tranny. Then, your car is lighter.

plus it's not that uncommon for someone to not even have i/h/e.

[transzex]

GSR's taste funny when beaten.........and I didn't need VTEC.

I vow to never do a mini-me, it is pointless.

[jimmyb34]

the biggest limiting factor is what tranny your using.. si.. you should beat an ls and hang with a gsr easily...

[tudelsol]

hey wat up i raced a 1993 integra ls with my 1993 civic del sol with a d16z6 automatic and beat it by two cars then i raced my bros. gsr and he beat me for about 9 cars o my only mod is a short ram aem intake

[hatchnthoughts]

the biggest limiting factor is what tranny your using.. si.. you should beat an ls and hang with a gsr easily...

yeah i dont think so. the gsr teg runs what high 14s stock... my 00 ex hung with an ls and got beat by a gsr, and that was at a roll so dont go telling me i cant drive. putting pedal to the floor i was about dead even with a similarly modded ls teg. put that ls in a lighter car and he probably would have had me. off the line i was also equal to the ls. a stock dx driven the same as a ls simply is going to be slower, not to mention that the gsr has 30ish more crank hp than an ls. all comes down to the chassis and the driver like everyone said.

[BLACK-KNIGHT]

I doubt a minime will beat even an LS. That is, unless it has some other work done, besides just the head swap. Especially if it's a DX tranny. There is just too big of a difference in power.

it is possible i have taken 8 of the 9 i raced with my minime i lost only on the top end from a roll, and raced 5 from a dead stop and won all but one i got em by a fender

If the LS has a GSR or B16 trans and a decent driver, mini-me going down...down down down...

GSR, you have no chance.

yes unless driver cant drive and you have an si or ex tran in your minime

[jimmyb34]

yeah i dont think so. the gsr teg runs what high 14s stock... my 00 ex hung with an ls and got beat by a gsr, and that was at a roll so dont go telling me i cant drive. putting pedal to the floor i was about dead even with a similarly modded ls teg. put that ls in a lighter car and he probably would have had me. off the line i was also equal to the ls. a stock dx driven the same as a ls simply is going to be slower, not to mention that the gsr has 30ish more crank hp than an ls. all comes down to the chassis and the driver like everyone said.


my car wasnt a mini me... but i outran every i/h/e gsr teg i came across and ls tegs i laughed at... if a mini me cant keep up with one.. then i guess it really is a waste of time and money

[Single Cam D]

Yeah i say the ls gets beat,but pending whats done to both motors when taking on a gsr....Also the weight ratio matters to so....

[rattmann316]

again...just a stupid thread

race and find out

[4drint3gr4]

in the process of getting a ex/si tranny. Will find out after.

[delsol70]

If you have an ex/si transmission in your mini me swap you will beat a integra ls I would think. To beat a gsr you would need more then ex/si transmission and I/H/E IMO. It really all depends on driving skill.

[hatchnthoughts]

my car wasnt a mini me... but i outran every i/h/e gsr teg i came across and ls tegs i laughed at... if a mini me cant keep up with one.. then i guess it really is a waste of time and money

hmm... i guess the numbers just dont add up. if you outran them then that would make your car a mid 14 second car n/a, on stock internals to boot. then again to figure all possible variables in a given race is almost impossible, from number of passengers, fuel level, engine maintenance and such.
op, bench racing really is dumb. im with rattman and i say stop diddling yourself and do the damn thing.

[broke jew]

what do you think a eg hatch would run with a ls swap?

[areskzc]

I beated a 94 lude on my zc auto prior turbo.
He was auto trannied too

[hatchnthoughts]

lude's are heavy and kind of slow...

eg with ls could run what high 14s id think... again its bench racing as we dont know if you are a good driver or not.

[H2Bcivic]

depends on what tranny u go with and what mods but i used to beat gsr's all the time in my z6 with intake,header, exhaust....all the gsr's i ran at the track were running 15.3-14.9..

[egcivic95]

i beat a friends ls teg with i/h/e. i had my 95 coupe with d15b i/h/e stage 3 clutch with dx tran. won everytime we went dead stop and roll won by 1.5 cars. a mini has the ls not sure about gsr.

[BlkCouper97]

its all on the driverr...

mini takes the ls depending on whats done to either..

gsr hell no..:haha:

[boostedD15b]

my 91 si with i/h/e full interior on 17" wheels beat the crap out of a 94 gs i/h/e and gutted

[christopher_davis]

hmm... i guess the numbers just dont add up. if you outran them then that would make your car a mid 14 second car n/a, on stock internals to boot. then again to figure all possible variables in a given race is almost impossible, from number of passengers, fuel level, engine maintenance and such.
op, bench racing really is dumb. im with rattman and i say stop diddling yourself and do the damn thing.

I think he's got on of those spinny things that pushes air into the motor.

[T-MacK]

I raced my buddies SIR with I/H/E against my car twice a couple of weeks a go. Beat him both times. But I think I'm a better driver then he is, he's a little young still. Trying to answer this question is pointless to answer. You could have 2 exact cars with the same set-up and nevr have a consistent winner?
Watch PINK'S for god sake's, how many times do you see the slower car win on driver error?

[Single Cam D]

I doubt a minime will beat even an LS. That is, unless it has some other work done, besides just the head swap. Especially if it's a DX tranny. There is just too big of a difference in power.

A mini me will waste a ls integra,I know because i use to have a ls integra it was slow lol,IMO mini me beats-ls and such,but it wont beat a gsr for sure...And i bet that my Zc vtec with dx tranny will beat a ls all day long..

[strykersd]

I have a 97 4 door with a Y7/Y8 mini-me with Y8 IM, SI tranny, full interior and I/H/E. I've raced LS and GSR tegs (with full interior, weight matters!) I almost always beat the LS but get murdered by the GSR. Maybe I'd have a shot at the GSR if I ripped out my system and gutted the car, or even better why not just buy a hatch. You might have a chance at the GSR since your car is lighter then mine.

Definately get an EX/SI tranny and Z6 IM when you do the mini-me swap.


I vow to never do a mini-me, it is pointless.

I have to disagree with that. If I put I/H/E on my Y7 with the stock cam I doubt I would be making as much power as with the mini-me. The mini-me is nice since you can just swap ECUs after the swap where as if I wanted to put a cam in my y7 I'd have to tune it. A mini-me is just a cheaper way to make power (vtec head+ECU vs non-vtec cam+tuning+possibly conversion harness)

[jimmyb34]

I have to disagree with that. If I put I/H/E on my Y7 with the stock cam I doubt I would be making as much power as with the mini-me. The mini-me is nice since you can just swap ECUs after the swap where as if I wanted to put a cam in my y7 I'd have to tune it. A mini-me is just a cheaper way to make power (head+ECU vs cam+tuning+possibly conversion harness)

you do realize that they make non vtec cams right? im pretty sure thats where he was going with that comment
as for the comment about my car being a mid 14 second car on the stock internals.. i fully believe it would run 14.5-14.7 ish easily before i boosted it.... i ran with numerous cars that had slips for high 13s to low 14s and was right with them

[strykersd]

you do realize that they make non vtec cams right? im pretty sure thats where he was going with that comment

Yeah I knew that, but I still think it would be cheaper to by a vtec head+ECU then to buy a aftermarket non-vtec cam+tuning. Tuning can really add up, such as converting to OBD1 or OBD2, then chipping the ECU and finally either buying a wideband or paying for dyno time.

[T-MacK]

I spent way more money on my b7/z6 Mini-Me set-up then I did for my current set-up. When you get every little part needed to do the swap properly it add's up! It's cheaper to go out and buy a whole Z6. I run a faster time non-tec then I did v-tec. I got a street tune, so I don't know how you could say that runing non-vtec is more exspensive?

[strykersd]

I spent way more money on my b7/z6 Mini-Me set-up then I did for my current set-up. When you get every little part needed to do the swap properly it add's up! It's cheaper to go out and buy a whole Z6. I run a faster time non-tec then I did v-tec. I got a street tune, so I don't know how you could say that runing non-vtec is more exspensive?

Maybe I just got lucky with parts, but I did my mini-me for around $250. Stock motor non-vtec was faster then your mini-me? When you say you got a street tune did you use a wideband O2 sensor? Those go for at least $200. Plus I would never tune a car without one...

[T-MacK]

Maybe I just got lucky with parts, but I did my mini-me for around $250. Stock motor non-vtec was faster then your mini-me? When you say you got a street tune did you use a wideband O2 sensor? Those go for at least $200. Plus I would never tune a car without one...

That's great that you did your build for $250. But did you go to a local junker or a friends used motor? I have know problems spending cash on my car, I got all my piss ant parts brand new from Honda.
Who said anything about stock? I said my current engine set-up is faster then my Mini-Me set-up. And I have an O2 sensor?

[Essenar]

People are making a huge mistake.

They're not factoring two really important variables in racing-
Tires
Weight

A GSR on stock tires is a mid 15-second car. With better tires and bolt ons they're in low 15's. But high 14's? Not without more work. It's a 2700 pound car. Bolt ons at most will free up horsepower lost in the drive-train. So the question is, how fast is a 165-170 horsepower car that weighs 2700 pounds?

Your DX probably weighs 2100-ish pounds without you in it. That's nearly a 600 pound difference between the two cars. Am I the only one that imagines a mini-me would actually have a higher percentage of wins than a GSR? I mean, if you think about it, lower weight also helps the margin of error. It's easier to get out of the hole on a lighter car because of traction. GSR's have horrible traction out of the hole, they even slip 2nd gear on good tires.

In my old 2002 Corolla I was able to go heads up with GSR's up to at least 45-55 mph, but against hatchbacks with single cam vtec motors, they pretty much got a lead on me from the pocket and held onto that lead for a very long time.

[SuperSeanic]

i know for a fact that driver is the most important factor in racing.. i beat a stock mustang gt on the freeway by a long distance ((couldnt see him anymore))..but lost to another one with few mods on the way home from the drag strip.. im figuring it was just a few mods because his ET on his window said 14.25

[Essenar]

i know for a fact that driver is the most important factor in racing.. i beat a stock mustang gt on the freeway by a long distance ((couldnt see him anymore))..but lost to another one with few mods on the way home from the drag strip.. im figuring it was just a few mods because his ET on his window said 14.25

That's only as true from the trap.

In my mom's 2002 Corolla with full interior and all season tires I had a .4xx reaction time and a really good 60'.

Against high school kids and punks, Civic SI's were no problem but they were pulling low to mid 16 E/T's, which we all know the car is more than capable of surpassing.

On the freeway or from a roll, driver skills matter less than power/weight distribution, especially against automatics or vehicles with good power bands.

People think a GSR has some "ultra" powerful third gear. That's not really true. The third gear in a GSR isn't anymore powerful than its first and second. It's just that it takes a lot more skill to get a GSR's tires to stick to the floor in first and the bottom of second than it does to just pop it into third gear at 65 mph and open up the throttle.

A good driver in a GSR will be a problem for a lot of cars from the trap, the question is whether it's from a trap or on a roll.

[hatchnthoughts]

i know for a fact that driver is the most important factor in racing.. i beat a stock mustang gt on the freeway by a long distance ((couldnt see him anymore

yeah thats called the ricer flyby lol. what year mustang? your 16.6 sec car would not touch a newer mustang gt on the freeway if he was on it almost no matter what driver. no offense but ive driven them and i have a y7 dx currently, and the mustang would put your y7 power head first into the dirt. now the v6 mustangs, thats another story haha.

as for the gsr have more traction issues because its heavier, thats just retarded. lighter car= less traction, more power= less traction. heavier car would require lots more power to have more traction issues than a lighter car. thats as far into that that i will go since the rest is self explanatory.

[Essenar]

yeah thats called the ricer flyby lol. what year mustang? your 16.6 sec car would not touch a newer mustang gt on the freeway if he was on it almost no matter what driver. no offense but ive driven them and i have a y7 dx currently, and the mustang would put your y7 power head first into the dirt. now the v6 mustangs, thats another story haha.

as for the gsr have more traction issues because its heavier, thats just retarded. lighter car= less traction, more power= less traction. heavier car would require lots more power to have more traction issues than a lighter car. thats as far into that that i will go since the rest is self explanatory.

Point to me where I said the GSR has traction issues because of weight.

It's called TIRES and lack of LSD. Most GSR swaps, well at least most intelligent GSR swaps are JDM with the OEM LSD and the owner has better tires.

A lot of GSR DC's though are running around on regular tires and the GSR doesn't come with LSD out of factory in US.

A lighter car with the same engine, no LSD and same tires would of course have traction issues more than the DC, but since when do people swap a USDM GSR motor over the JDM GSR with LSD, and moreso since when do people swap a GSR motor and use factory stock GSR tires? That'd just be stupid.

[SuperSeanic]

yeah thats called the ricer flyby lol. what year mustang? your 16.6 sec car would not touch a newer mustang gt on the freeway if he was on it almost no matter what driver. no offense but ive driven them and i have a y7 dx currently, and the mustang would put your y7 power head first into the dirt. now the v6 mustangs, thats another story haha.

it wasn't a flyby, he was riding next to me revving his motor...and then left so i switched over to fast lane and was just driving, so he starts speeding up and goes ahead of me but was 2 lanes over..and he tried to cut over into my lane because there was cars coming up in the other 2 lanes..he didn't have enough room between me and the car he was behind, so he slowed a bit and got behind me and never caught back up until after i slowed down because i thought i lost him and he did the "ricer flyby" while flicking me off like a jackass...and it was a 04 and older mustang w/ a passenger..but thats the honest truth..i don't think it was a v6 because when he revved it sounded like a v8.. and it said GT on the back and the car looked stock so i didn't think he added the badge for looks..although i do know somebody with an auto GT with saleen painted on it...

driver is a main factor though, i have seen a kid run over 18 sec in a 1/4 with a stock SRT-4

[Eyal 951]

here is some real world data:

144 whp, 122wtq on Sean Church's dyno, 2100 pound CX. custon shoirt tranny.

This is on the straight at Buttnowillow road course (so about 50ish-100ish)

My buddy has a 96 GSR, corner balance weight indicates 2495 with full tank of gas. He has Phearable ECU, intake, skunk 2 pro intake manifold, JDM 2.5 DC 4-1 exhaust mani, 2.5" exhaust. I was absolutely dead even with him the entire straight, except the end where i started barely inching on him...

http://www.caliphotography.com/photography/07-07-Buttonwillow-RedLine/Red/1040%20am/thumbs/CP__4221.JPG

Don't worry, I passed him... ;)

[T-MacK]

i know for a fact that driver is the most important factor in racing.. i beat a stock mustang gt on the freeway by a long distance ((couldnt see him anymore))..but lost to another one with few mods on the way home from the drag strip.. im figuring it was just a few mods because his ET on his window said 14.25

Dude I call :bull: or the guy was just simply not even trying!
A Mustang GT will smoke your cars ass into next week?

[SuperSeanic]

Dude I call :bull: or the guy was just simply not even trying!
A Mustang GT will smoke your cars ass into next week?

i think he was trying because he seemed pretty pissed off when he caught up..but idk there is a possibility it was a v6 w/ a GT badge, or maybe it was stick and he doesn't know how to down gear when street racing..i dont know but i dont think i have a reason to lie...

...but you guys wouldnt believe how dumb some of these kids are here..the other day this kid told me he had a supercharged rx7 motor swapped into his ford probe, said hes a fabricator and did the work himself, so he pops his hood and all i see is a stock probe motor with nothing done to it at all, he points to the brake line and says its the coolant line for the supercharger..my buddy then explains to him that rx7 motors dont have cylinders and are rwd, and that rx7s never came with superchargers, they came in n/a, turbo and twin turbo..and yeah this kid still tried to back out of his lie.. and it had the ford logo right on the intake manifold...i was about to tell him to check his turn signal fluid to see if hes that dumb...

...actually right now this kids IMing me trying to tell me his aztek is supercharged and its generating 200 extra hp..when this kid has told me before that it was turbo'd and let me look under the hood and everything was stock...if you guys wanna see the convo let me know lol...

[T-MacK]

^^ My grandma in a stock GT will blow the ballz of your car? How do you know for sure he was racing you? He might have been looking at you all pissed beacause you just pulled a ricer flyby? I hate mustang GT's but I all so know how fast they go and they are TQ monsters.

[hatchnthoughts]

I mean, if you think about it, lower weight also helps the margin of error. It's easier to get out of the hole on a lighter car because of traction. GSR's have horrible traction out of the hole, they even slip 2nd gear on good tires.

i even put it in bold for you there guy. you said lighter car = better traction whereas a gsr is heavier so what would that mean? less traction and you then reinforced that thought with the next line. :)

as for the other guy, i was joking bout the ricer flyby... but seriously what skill is needed on the freeway from a roll? all you do is smash the gas pedal so drivers error is less of a possibilit... that style mustang is a little underpowered, but it still should stomp all over the y7. i dunno i wont call b.s. because stranger things have happened haa.

[Essenar]

Regardless of what I said. A 2600 pound GSR is going to have more traction problems than a mini me DX simply because of the torque and crappy tires usually on a GSR. Sure if it has better tires is another story, I just mixed my words. Bottom line, a GSR has more trouble out of a hole stock because of lack of LSD and usually crappy tires. Now good tires/drag radials and we're talking about something else.

[LoSt GhoSt]

lol I was gonna say that I was able to take my friends ls on my stock y8 form 0 to 50 but then he would catch up and take me but I guess this conversation kinda drifted another way lol.

[SuperSeanic]

^^ My grandma in a stock GT will blow the ballz of your car? How do you know for sure he was racing you? He might have been looking at you all pissed beacause you just pulled a ricer flyby? I hate mustang GT's but I all so know how fast they go and they are TQ monsters.

it seemed like a race to me, i was just cruising and he was beatin the shit out of his car, and of course he revved at me like he wanted to race..idk but ive heard of way more unbelievable races on the highway

[nastyda]

i had a 1.5 bottom end all stock with a y8 head in my ef with a small cam and ran with in a fenders lenght of my boys ls four door with a ported and polished head anything is possible just depends on the set up and driver