VW has lost its mind!

[Honda4VW]

http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/uploads/w12gti_3.jpg

http://www.vwvortex.com/gallery/albums//Volkswagen/Golf%20-%20GTI%20-%20Rabbit/Golf%20V/GTI%20W12%20650/volkswagen_gti_w12_650_001.jpg

W12 Mid engine GTI

http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/publish/vortex_news/article_2007.shtml

[Agent T]

aaaaand...yep i just lost a little respect for the new GTi.....only thing i like is the upper grill

engine wise im sure its a beast though

[LoSt GhoSt]

Its really not that bad. Back bumper, ugly. Front bumper, Ugly. Love the grill. Side vents?????:noway:

[Hellhatch]

i just seen a new gti today with the same wheels didnt see that body kit on it though is that after market or stock.

[Agent T]

i would guess stock since its the W12, not just the basic GTi

[civicnation425]

it looks extreme for a car company to come out with something like that, especially vw. Look at its entire line... none are even close to extreme excluding the only sports car on their vehicle lineup...

I vote photoshopped.... i think... It just looks a lil off to me. Roof looks fake, and some lines just look a lil off. Maybe thats me. I doubt this will be the final product!

[Agent T]

i agree on the roof now that i look closer, does look a bit fake

[jimmyb34]

maybe they should unpimp their own auto

[Agent T]

HAHAHA...dude that is pretty fucking ironic

[4Door Life]

so, is this a $100.000 vw..?

[gerry mulligan]

looks like crap :TD: more german over engineering

[Honda4VW]

I vote photoshopped.... i think... It just looks a lil off to me. Roof looks fake, and some lines just look a lil off. Maybe thats me. I doubt this will be the final product!

images are definately doctored, only for appearance, not for content.

Side vents are for the mid engine

[4Door Life]

this is the only one car the W12 should be in, that is the VW W12 supercar...

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/2543/1171014c1d0beae3.jpg

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[Agent T]

i think i just broke my screen

*holds junk in pain*

[boostdeliquent]

That's pretty crazy. Lemme know what the retail on it is but a factory 650 hp hatch is dope no matter how you look at it.

[Spriggan]

its way to boring looking to have a W12 in it, back looks like a worried sad face haha

[4Door Life]

That's pretty crazy. Lemme know what the retail on it is but a factory 650 hp hatch is dope no matter how you look at it.

dude, those W12 motors are really small as well... here a lil quote from VW

Source - Volkswagen
In the future, all Volkswagens in the upper and luxury classes will be equipped with the high-torque W engines. They are characterised by exceptionally low levels of vibration and the best possible acoustic qualities. They are, depending on the model in question, used as standard- in the W12 Coupé for example - or as an option. The Volkswagen brand will launch them as an eight-cylinder, as can already be seen in the Passat W8, and as a twelve-cylinder version with varying levels of output and set-ups. A 16-cylinder version has also been developed on this basis within the Volkswagen Group. It will be used as of 2003 in the Bugatti EB 16·4 Veyron, which was shown in its most current version last September at the Frankfurt Motor Show.The technology of the twelve cylinder engine integrated in the design study W12 Coupé: with a length of 513 millimetres, a height of 715 millimetres and a width of 710 millimetres, the engine is particularly compact. The capacity of the W12, which weighs just 239 kilograms, is 5,998 cm³. The engine, which is located between the passenger compartment and the rear axle, has an extraordinarily torsionally rigid aluminium crankcase with wear-resistant cylinder sleeves. A further indication of the systematic light-weight construction approach can be seen in the valve covers and timing chain covers made of magnesium.The basic layout of the W12 engine is made up of two very thin V6 four-valve modules which are configured at an angle of 72 degrees with a joint crankshaft with seven main bearings to make up a V-V arrangement, i.e. a 'W'. The cylinder angle is just 15 degrees Within the two V6 banks. This makes the construction, which is very compact in comparison to V12 engines, possible.All other construction details of the W12 engine, which has a compression ratio of 12:1, are also indications of an extremely high-tech assembly: the spark plugs are positioned centrally in the pent-roof combustion chamber, making optimal combustion possible; the same applies for the flow-optimised intake ports. A double-flow magnesium variable intake manifold supports the particularly dynamic torque curve. The variable intake and exhaust valve timing has a decisive influence on power development: the inlet camshafts can be continually adjusted through 52 degrees and the corresponding value for the exhaust camshaft is 22 degrees.It is no wonder, when considering this technology, that a high priority was given to the performance (http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z4516/default.aspx#) of all materials in the development phase of the W12 engine. For example, Volkswagen is only using engine oils from the Shell Helix family for the W12 Coupé.The emissions levels have been perfectly regulated. The W12 Coupé has been developed so that it will meet the requirements of the stringent EU-4 norm due to its four starter catalysts and two catalysts in the standard production version.

[areskzc]

S7 saleen is much prettier

[4Door Life]

and also this lil tid bit of info...

The six-litre, large twelve-cylinder engine is mid-mounted in this new concept vehicle which weighs just 1,200 Kilo. At 5,800 rpm it develops a maximum torque of 620 Newton metres. With a top speed of more than 350 km/h and an acceleration of less than 3.5 seconds to 100 km/h, the W12 Coupé is one of the most exclusive and fastest sports cars in the world.

The technology of the twelve cylinder engine integrated in the design study W12 Coupé: with a length of 513 millimetres, a height of 715 millimetres and a width of 710 millimetres, the engine is particularly compact. The capacity of the W12, which weighs just 239 kilograms, is 5,998 cm³. The basic layout of the W12 engine is made up of two very thin V6 four-valve modules which are configured at an angle of 72 degrees with a joint crankshaft with seven main bearings to make up a V-V arrangement, i.e. a 'W'. The cylinder angle is just 15 degrees within the two V6 banks. This makes the construction, which is very compact in comparison to V12 engines, possible. All the other construction details of the W12 engine are also an indication of top-level design. The variable intake and exhaust valve timing has a decisive influence on power development: the inlet camshafts can be continually adjusted through 52 degrees and the corresponding value for the exhaust camshaft is 22 degrees.

It is no wonder, when considering this technology, that a high priority was given to the performance of all materials in the development phase of the W12 engine. Volkswagen only uses engine oils of the Shell Helix family for the W12 Coupé, for example. The enormous power of the engine is transferred to the rear axle via a sequential and thus very fast shifting six-speed gearbox located behind the engine. This layout is very favourable for a classic sports car layout. The contact to the road is made via specially developed 19' magnesium wheels with 255/35 ZR front tyres and 275/40 ZR rear tyres.

The sophisticated front and rear axle with double wishbone suspension, numerous electronics modules, an ideal weight distribution of nearly 50:50 and an extended wheelbase of 2.63 metres ensure that the W12 Coupé is both fast and safe. The electronic stability program ESP and the traction control system TCS can be switched off for use in motor sport conditions. Ventilated Brembo brake discs with a diameter of 318 millimetres are fitted at both the front and rear. The electrically activated handbrake has been set up for an easy integration in standard production.

The long and flat body of the Coupé, with the restrained styling of the rear spoiler which automatically extends as of 120 km/h, transports the timeless elegance of Volkswagen design into the dynamic sector of the ultimate sports car. With a length of 4.55 metres and at more than 1.92 metres wide, the design study W12 Coupé has a very impressive appearance due to its dimensions alone. This is further underlined by the height of the two-seater vehicle - just 1.1 metres.

The design study drafted by Italdesign has been further refined in comparison to its two predecessors; newly designed headlights and rear lights echo even more strongly the characteristics of the future top class models from Volkswagen.

The sports car, finished in orange pearlescent, has two wing doors that open to the front and roof centre part made of special glass which extends from the windscreen through to the end of the engine compartment. The first glance of the W12 with its double V construction can be made through the transparent bonnet.

Leather, aluminium and carbon dominate the design of the new concept for the interior of the W12 Coupé. Seats, fittings and door trims have been finished, for example, with a black/grey suede and a colour coded smooth leather.

Furthermore, the red aluminium elements in the interior are eye-catchers. Volkswagen has used a new chemical process to achieve this tone and surface coating.

The layout of the instruments is classic. Two round main displays show the most important information such as speed and revs. The functions of the air conditioning system, the navigation system, the on-board computer and the car telephone are controlled via a colour display in the centre of the dash panel.

There is no doubt - all the details of the W12 Coupé are fully-functional and the concepts are close to production standards, as the second W12 Coupé being shown in Tokyo impressively demonstrates. It set many new international speed records on the high-speed course in Nardo, Italy during a long distance test.

[Agent T]

so is a Pagani Zonda C12

EDIT: especially one with an all carbon fiber body..

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w23/EJ8_2000/Pagani20Zonda20C1220F20Roadster.jpg

[areskzc]

Saleen S7
http://www.pistonheads.com/fastcars/images/saleen-s7-04.jpg

[Agent T]

Saleen S7
http://games-all.com/cars-photo/saleen-s7-001.jpg

hmmm

[4Door Life]

i think it's sexy...

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/2843/gtiw12650116004e0aa82mr9.jpg

[Agent T]

i just love the styling of VW from about 2000 - present

[PimpTwzt]

I agree, I think it is a sexy beast. Concepts now days are just plain bad ass. In the past concepts were just odd. Now they have a chance.

[bluecivic101]

lol, those pics look so fake. hopefully that was the idea!

[civicnation425]

images are definately doctored, only for appearance, not for content.

Side vents are for the mid engine

oh i am sure in concept it makes sense, but in production? I dont think they would go even remotely as drastic as the image suggests... Although the market for this could be relatively small, so maybe they will have it all in production. The side vents look the most fake out of any other part on the vehicle. Hopefully those get body colored at the very least!

[LoSt GhoSt]

Since we are already saying that this is better than that. With the money that i would spend on that car i would much rather get one of these from Mexico and fix it up like this.
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u31/LoSt-GhoSt/opel_astra_xtreme_08.jpg
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With out the wing of course

[Agent T]

Fortune City doesnt feel the same

[modsHXcivi]

I no see any pics :slap:

[civicnation425]

Fortune City doesnt feel the same

so you would rather get hosting that blows balls? shoot son, waste of money.

[flatfourfan]

I hope that they go through with it........as for the vents, they worked just fine on the mid engined V6 Renault Clio..........

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v698/mkoneman/Image019-2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v698/mkoneman/Image017-4.jpg

[s_18]

Yeah, the Clio is bad ass aswell :TU:

[Honda4VW]

I don't think it will hget to production, and if it does,we will never see it here

[boostdeliquent]

I don't think it will hget to production, and if it does,we will never see it here

:werd:

[mindless]

Don't really care for the wheels, exhaust, or those side vent things but other than that I think it's cool.

[z6rex]

The "Xtreme!" shit has gotta go. :TD:

[Clutchmaster]

I like the styling I always thought VW were bland looking anyways

[Agent T]

WTB: Renault Clio V6

[myHonda1]

eh it's alright looking. i'm not a big fan of the flares, but i can't say i wouldn't rock it.

[Haysoos]

I'd buy it. Yeah, so it's a VW thats trying to be a Ferrari from the waste down. Think of it this way, you will get noticed, whether it's for the looks or blowing people's doors off.

[LoSt GhoSt]

Fix my pictures. Dam i love the opal

[funkified]

id rock that for sure! i for one kinda like the styling blandness of the newer VW's, before i got my EF i was seriously considering the new GTI and backed out once i found out my insurance was gonna be 6K a year :noway:

[Richie_A_19]

wow... did you run over a cop with a key of coke in your trunk or something??

[funkified]

lol ya i wish i could say it was something like that, maybe it would justify the cost.....
its the way our insurance rating system works in my province. i had one previous accident, made a left hand turn on a yellow and got t-boned, so it was my fault and got a ticket for an unsafe turn.....then i travelled to japan for a year and lost all of my driving history, thus setting me back to a "brand new driver rating" and jacking the insurance up.

[Richie_A_19]

Damn. You guys have to renew every year??

[ryan89crx]

W12 mid engine??

thats gonna be fucking sick!

[hondaEHkid]

S7 saleen is much prettier
i agree

[" Low "]

i like all of the cars posted, but the gti is looking good in my book, s7 has been my fav since i saw the prototype, clio oh fa sho'......

[Agent T]

what no Zonda love?

[" Low "]

what no Zonda love?

eh, uhh, ok

[christopher_davis]

So the W12 is basically it's two VR6's put together

[4Door Life]

So the W12 is basically it's two VR6's put together

lol, not even close...

imagine a v6 with three more piston ontop of of the other three on each side... hence the W12...

[SupaStyl]

So the W12 is basically it's two VR6's put together

that would be sick tho, better yet put two r32 vr6's together. i wonder how that motor would sound, seein as how the r32 sounds like sex already.

[4Door Life]

watch this video, they show a quick look inside the W 12 motor...

this supercar is sex...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E16L78C0dRE

[Agent T]

eh, uhh, ok

guessing that means you dont like the Pagani Zonda lol

[Green 91]

didnt the VW phaeton come with a w12? and was really expensive?

edit* it was a V12

[Agent T]

omg the Phaeton was a TANK lol...but it was niiiiiiice as hell

[kyle h.]

mid engine hotness!

[Haysoos]

That engine is CRAZY

[slowex98]

i like it

[lilred]

http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/publish/vortex_news/article_2007.shtml

Volkswagen GTI W12-650

May 17, 2007
by: Jamie Vondruska and Wes Grueninger

Well Volkswagen has pulled a fast one (literally) and decided to unveil a W12 powered, rear-wheel-drive, mid-engined GTI at the tuner/drunk/party fest in Austria known as Worthersee. We'll have more information, photos and video in coming weeks ahead. A full photo gallery is provided in the links below.

We also have a loosely translated version of the German press releaes below, but what we do know is this:

- VW claims a top speed of 202 mph
- 6.0l W12 12-cylinder twin-turbocharged engine mounted in the back seat of the GTI
- 650hp and 553 lb-ft. of torque (!)
- with the flared fenders the car sits over 6 feet wide and only 4.6 feet tall
- 19" wheels with 295 rear rubber and 235 front rubber
- the fenders are flared 3.15" at the rear

1600x1200 wallpaper images can be found HERE (http://www.vwvortex.com/gallery/gallery2.php?mode=album&album=/Volkswagen/Golf%20-%20GTI%20-%20Rabbit/Golf%20V/Wallpaper/GTI%20W12%20650)

Press release coming next...

Wolfsburg, 17 May 2007 - Leaving conventions in its wake has always been at the very heart of the GTI. An icon over three decades, the GTI has lured over 1.67 million drivers with its siren song. To drive the GTI it to make a statement. Since 1982, GTI fans have gathered in Wörthersee, Austria. Thousands come to the five-day carnival at Wörthersee, and it is for them - the people who made the GTI a legend, that the GTI W12-650 show car was conceived.

More powerful than any Golf ever built, wider than any Golf crafted at Wolfsburg, faster than any of its iconic predecessors, the GTI W12-650 is seemingly fresh from the race course. A golf that packs in technology used for the Pace Car of the 24 hours of Le Mans. It is named after its heart: A W12 engine producing 650 horsepower. The GTI W12-650 is a show car, nothing more, nothing less, but it does show the enormous potential offered by the Golf platform.

3.7 seconds, 202 mph, 553 pound-feet

Its 6.0-liter twin-turbo engine is located lengthwise between the front seats, converting the traditional front-drive Golf into a classic mid-engined race car. A six-speed automatic gearbox feeds a maximum output of 553 pound-feet of torque to the rear axle. Such force catapults the GTI to 62mph in a scant 3.7 seconds. Stay on the accelerator, and the biturbo engine will carry the car to over 200 miles per hour, putting the GTI W12-650 in the rarefied air of dedicated exotic cars.

6.2 feet wide, 235-width tires in front, 295-width in rear

Under its 6.2-foot spread and 4.7' tall body, Volkswagen engineers and designers united technologies across the spectrum of Volkswagen AG for the first, and perhaps only, time. Each mechanical piece was originally conceived and designed by Volkswagen AG, showcasing the unequalled breadth of Volkswagen's technological prowess.

235-width tires on the front wheels are mounted to 19" gloss-turned "Detroit" GTI wheels, custom-made to fill out the deeply sculpted fender flares. At the rear, the gigantic 295-width tires extend much farther than standard GTIs to bring the GTI W12-650 a properly aggressive stance.

2.75" lower, 6.3" more broad

The wheels are tucked 2.75" further into the gigantic wheel arches, the shoulders of the fenders becoming coupe-like in their proportions. Says Klaus Bischoff, Director of Volkswagen Design: "In the back, the show car is wider by about 3.15" on each side. The standard model already has a strong shoulder line and arched flare, but, as with a sports car, we pulled the fenders more strongly outward."

He continues: "Our goal was clearly defined - despite the dramatic technical changes, the GTI W12-650 should remain clearly a classical GTI. The design of the Golf is like a fingerprint. If it smears, the character of the car is destroyed. We would not allow that to happen." To that end, as many parts as possible were carried over from production GTIs such as the headlamps, doors, hood and tail lamps.

C-Pillars as part of the engine air intake

"Our largest challenge," says Klaus Bischoff, "was to supply the six-liter mid-mounted engine enough air without diluting the silhouette of the GTI. Side inlets had to be used and optimized for breathing, and the aerodynamics of the car had to be reworked so that we could achieve sufficient cooling at the rear axle. We did not want to set an enormous tail wing on the car."

In both cases, a trick helped. Bischoff continues: "The strongest Golf design elements are the C-pillars, and it was exactly there that we needed the inlets for the engine air intakes. The C-pillars were redesigned by hand in such a way that we allowed the rear windows to cant slightly inward. So engine air is sucked in through a gap between the window glass and the C-pillar. Cooling is taken car of by an enormous radiator in front as well as by the ducts located in the flares." Each part of the revised bodywork appears at first sight to be a production GTI part, however they have been carefully designed to have increased functionality without sacrificing aesthetics.

Carbon fiber roof is a diffuser

Innovative and thoughtful construction of the bodies prevented the clean lines of the GTI W12-650 from being ruined by a roof-mounted wing. Says Klaus Bischoff: "This GTI moved the wing inward. The roof is part of an enormous diffuser, which provides sufficient down force on the rear axle. It is made of carbon fiber and forces air over and under the tail spoiler to obtain a perfect amount of pressure on the rear axle."

The bumpers of the show car show strong lines and clever design, as well. In the back, enormous exhaust openings mark the car as a GTI W12-650. Two chrome-plated dual pipes frame the exhaust opening in the rear. At the front, a red-line grille draws upon the heritage of the very first Golf GTI produced.

Interior with racing ambitions

Today's GTI drivers would feel at home inside the GTI W12-650. The leather and Alcantara seats are new. Three round gauges mounted in the center stack harkens memories of the Ur-GTI. Transparent "flip up" switch guards are used on the switches for functions such as the ESP override. To prevent mis-activation, the covers must first be flipped open with the index finger. Likewise the racing fire extinguisher integrated in place of the glove box reminds driver and passenger that the GTI W12-650 is a serious race car. For weight reasons, the door panels have been removed and replaces with lattices which allow a compete view of the door mechanics.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/biggd0gg01/GTIW12650_1_1600.jpg

Check link for more pics!!!

[CIVICRicerBoy]

I'd still drive it.

[boostdeliquent]

I'd still drive it.

:werd: