minime still nogo

[minimenogo]

need to get minime back out there timing is at TDC to the best of my abilities, have no upper timing cover but have the lower. on a D16a6 block mated to a D16Z6 head. know Why The F*c* wont it start, it goes. ra ra ra ra rev ra rev ra gra gra gra rev gra. until i get frustrated and stop trying. its nothe battery and the starter is brand new the ignition switch is good the dizzy is new as well, the T-belt is off a 94 civic 1.6L, should it be off a 1.5L or can i just use the stock belt cause this is Pi$$ing me the F*c* off:cussing: :cussing: :cussing: :cussing:

[BLK92_D16]

Z6 head = Z6 belt... So that's not it. Getting spark? Getting fuel? Check all fuses? Is it trying to crank, or is that the noise coming from the starter area?

[minimenogo]

its getting spark and the fuel is puring in like you wouldnt beleave ill cheack the fuses tonight. and it sounds like it is firing in one cylinder but but not being cranked fast enough to fire on its own. the only noise coming from the starter is the starter.

[BLK92_D16]

Grounds? Low on gas (a bad fuel pump like mine will give you similiar problems at low fuel levels)?

[minimenogo]

ill look into the fuel pump, the grounds are 100% i have yet to check the fuses is this the right T-belt??

[chrisellis211]

Ye the timing belt is right, you always use the belt from the head

Chris ;)

[ddd4114]

compression?

are you absolutely sure your timing's right?

[vtec_bomber]

Spark plug wire in the right firing order? Distributor 180 degree off? Happen to me once. Turn out my distributor was 180 degree off. Try clocking your dizzy 180 degree and try it again.

[lsturbohatch10]

pull your plugs and see if they are fouled... if you've been cranking for a while, i assure you that you will need a new set.

[carby]

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/4632/wndy1ndqwnnm0mtnkzmqzmxho4.jpg
I'll bet a dollar.

[Toddnos]

cam timing is off

[minimenogo]

anu one have a pic of the cam timing cover or a really good pic other then the one found in helms and haynes manual. ill change my tommarow. and the firing order is correct. at TDC the rotor is pointing toward the bottom left on the cap.

[ddd4114]

it goes. ra ra ra ra rev ra rev ra gra gra gra rev gra. until i get frustrated and stop trying.
I'm still trying to figure out what's going on here. Does it kick every now and then or does it just crank over with no response?

[volcanomike]

Usually if a motor wont start its one of a few things,

Spark
Fuel/Air
Timing (both ignition and valvetrain)

You said you were getting spark so we cross that off...
You said that your timing was correct but you would double check it... So well semi cross that off....
The one that i dont know why you dont do a little more extensive research is the fuel. Just because you hear the fuel pump doesnt mean you have fuel pressure and doesnt mean the fuel is making it to the fuel rail. Could be an injector problem too, Possibly wiring problem.

[minimenogo]

I'm still trying to figure out what's going on here. Does it kick every now and then or does it just crank over with no response?

its cranking over but there is just no response it sounds like one cylinder is firing.

[ddd4114]

What condition are your plugs and wires in? Have you done any compression tests? If so, did you make sure to disable spark?

[minimenogo]

brand new .409 taylor cables and Ngk plugs. havent checked compression will do that right away.

[minnimesol]

u dont need the upper timming belt cover do wut i did if its the timing jus line the center bottom line on cam gear to the pointer then do the oil pump . timing should be set correctly . and DOUBLE check the firing order of the wires .... sounds like the same identical problem i had .. and the firing order was of by 2 spark plug wires .D15b7 block wit z6 head was my minime swap .lol it was worth the time i spent on it tho

[Toddnos]

put a stick in the #1 spark plug hole, and rotate the motor counterclockwise until the stick reaches its highest point outta the hole...vuala TDC

[minimenogo]

did that with the dowel down the cylinder block is at TDC but head might be off, i line up the buttom line with what pointer on the head?

[minimenogo]

what if i had a blonde moment and put the wrong plugs in do you think that the gap would be the cause. i had used the A6 plugs, not the Z6 plugs. anyway do you think that this could be a problem???

[minimenogo]

just changed the T belt for the Z6 minime but it seems like there is alot off slack in the belt, tightend the tensioner but if it goes any tighter it will hit the engine mount.changed the plugs and the grounds are all attached haven't tried to start it yet hopefully l'll have time later

[minimenogo]

hey was checkin around and i can get a B18c1 complete swap for 2500 axles Ecu, tranny, block, head and shift linkage, can then get some deals from work and pick up crane cam roller camshaft for under 200 bucks, and valve spring for 75 a complete set.:) what do you think.

[SOHC_STUDENT]

It sounds like your ignition timing is 180 degrees off.

You found TDC by putting a stick in #1 cylinder and watching it rise as you cranked the engine. When the stick was all the way up, your crank should also have the white TDC mark pointing up, your cam gear should be pointing up and your dizzy should be pointed at the #1 spark plug wire.

[minimenogo]

true TDC has been found, and the correct plugs and belt are on the car have yet to start it maybe tonight. after work

[CasperSiR]

belt tensioner is still good?

[minimenogo]

dont know how can you tell???

[CasperSiR]

look and see if there's damage like bearings popped out or if the gasket on it is stilll good
it happened to mine threw my timing off and it just would start

[minimenogo]

bearing looks in place and the seal is still good just changed the alternator belt and will try and start it today. after i get it running might get the Skunk 2 manifold and a 75 mm throttle body with a throttle body spacer and venom fuel rail, any thoughts??

[srvwh7]

I agree with SOHC Student, it sounds like your cam is 180 degrees off. When I dropped my Z6 in I did the same thing. Also you might want to check your Dizzys position for number one, like pull the cap off, bump the motor over and see if your number ones line up.

[minimenogo]

how can my dizzy be off bye 180 degrees it only fits on the shaft one way, pointing at the buttom left of the stock dizzies point. on another note does anybody want to bye a 88 crx si minime that doesn't run beautiful porsche boxtser blue and a interior that is mint, new tires, american racing rims, new starter, head, plugs, wires, dizzy and fuel filter, axles have 1000KM on them but remans from honda. skunk2 intake manifold available and a 75mm throttle body on its way if your located in southern alberta canada and want to take a closer look pm me and ill get back to you, thanks for all the help..... but unless someone has this exact setup a6 block z6 head and can get me pics of the dizzy without the cap and at TDC i would say that i im done with hondas FOREVER!!
you guys have tried to help me out and i do appreciate that but im afraid you cant help me enough unless you have a detailed picture by picture manual on doing this swap on this block.

[srvwh7]

Sorry must have been unclear, I meant the cam might be off 180*. I was just suggesting that you make sure the when you at TDC that the Rotor button is in fact finring on the number one cyclinder. That was my problem. Just a thought good luck.

[minimenogo]

yeah it is for sure.

[minimenogo]

Of all things..... after thinking all that could be wrong, my brother (crazi-85crx) recommended we try adjusting the valve clearances. So I did and we once again tried to start it, then...

BANG!!!

...I left the rachet on the crank pulley. LOL.

So I took that off and tried again. And vroom, like the roar of the mighty grizzly the engine came to life! :holla:

Now we just need get some new gas and check some more small things..

[Dibble]

Ye the timing belt is right, you always use the belt from the head

Chris ;)

Not if the block is a d15.

[sleepee]

Of all things..... after thinking all that could be wrong, my brother (crazi-85crx) recommended we try adjusting the valve clearances. So I did and we once again tried to start it, then...

BANG!!!

...I left the rachet on the crank pulley. LOL.

So I took that off and tried again. And vroom, like the roar of the mighty grizzly the engine came to life! :holla:

Now we just need get some new gas and check some more small things..

i was about to mention that.. thats why it's always good to do a compression check.

i believe its 0.007 to 0.009 on the intake and 0.008 to .010 on the exhaust.

glad you got it started... ;)

[minimenogo]

Might have one serious problem....ok so i did a compression test on the engine yesterday and the it read as follows
#1-126PSI
#2-255
#3-0
#4-190
sucks eh

[Toddnos]

if cam timing is off,,,compression test wont come out right

[minimenogo]

how about if only cylinder 1 and 4 are firing??

[minimenogo]

i cant believe that nobody h has any ideas abut this, from what happened I think that one of the valves is either not seating properly or tat the valve is bent all together. anyway im thinkin about rebuilding the head, skunk2 camshaft stage 1, intake manifold springs, valves and seals. but for the time being i can oly hope that the valve lash is wrong on those two cylinders even though i checked it i can check it again tonight. ANY IDEAS ARE WELCOME, serious inquiries only.

[minimenogo]

so i re adjusted that valve lash and turns out that the first time i did it the #3 valves were being lashed as #2, the crank was in the wrong spot to lash #3, so i relashed them and starter her up...:holla: after a cupole seconds of choppy idle it was purring like a kitten idle was a little low at 450rpm @ normal operating Temp but that can all be adjusted when the new mani gets installed.
:offtopic: i was fired:cussing: and im currently between jobs so i have to conserve funds but with the header, and mani already paid for it should be enogh till i get another job.

[WONTONnPHO]

Congrats on gettin the mini me to work! I know how you feel on gettin fired, I'm in between jobs right now too. Enjoy sleeping in , and good luck to you :D

[minimenogo]

thanks for the support, lol

[minimenogo]

just threw the new chikara header on and it looks great, taken out that old exhaust system was something elsle though, between the hack, saw brute force, and a hammer it all came out in three pieces.:hammer: have yet to build the new exhaust for it but not to worry i have lots of time on my hands and will weld something up early this week or tommarow. waiting on a fuel rail from a 95 civic to fit that manifold but the aem hi-flow should work nicley with the 68, not 75mm, TB. hooking up the V-tec should be a fun learning experience and plan to do that after the manifold, or at the same time.

[minimenogo]

also have to change the alternator, is it beter to do it when the intake manifold is off or is there a way i can shimmy it out from the bottum or the top without damaging anything.

[crx304]

u can take it out the bottom, but u have to jack up the car to get enough room between the rack and axle

[minimenogo]

ok ill try that when i finish my exhaust thanks for the info :- )

[minimenogo]

was gonna finish my exhaust today but the weather had different plans for me an know im cooped up in my house looking at my exhaust while it snows outside have it laid out and im gonna have to go off the header back 5' hard 90* bend then straight out infront of passengers rear right tire, a couple of straight flo-mufflers and a hollowed cat it will be loud. ;-)

[fourstarcivic]

dont mean to flame but that sounds like a terrible idea... if you want to do a side pipe at least try to avoid that hard 90. try like a 45 or 50 and have it angled in front of that rear tire. hard bends lose power.

[minimenogo]

its ok to critis me. anyway that hard 90 may be hard but its better then stock and will give me a little backpressure, but not so much you cant tell anyhting was done. anything will be better then the stock 4 hard 90s and the bend to go over that rear axle.

[minimenogo]

tried the side exit exhaust without a cat just a thrush muffler and let me tell ya that is some'em loud at about 1k rpm its deafnin and i couldn't even rev it up , cuz it would wake the nieghbors. anyway i'll cut my beautiful welds and throw a hi-flo cat on hopefully that will make it quite enough to drive on the street.
P.S. got another parts job so more discounts :-)

[minimenogo]

also i forgot to mention that i believe the coating on my CHIKARA header is melting off because when i was testing the exhaust there was smoke pouring off that header and i know that i spilled a drop of oil on it the size of your pupil when its looking at light, but could that little oil droplet cause that much smoke. i also wawfted in the smoke and i just about past out because it was soo strong and smelled like when you burn paint of the BBQ.

[mithuth]

Assuming you haven't done it yet, for the alternator, it's easiest to take it out the dirver's side fender well. Take the splash liner out and wiggle the alternator out that little hole.
I just did my alternator and used this write up:
http://www.crxcommunity.com/viewtopic.php?t=208

On the exhaust, what's wrong with a stock looking exhaust with the following: Header, high flow cat, cherry bomb muffler for a resonator, Thrush Turbo II muffler with 2.5" piping. I had this setup on my d16a6 and it sounded very nice.

[minimenogo]

thanks for the write up on the alternator and your right i haven't done it yet, as for the exhaust there is nothing wrong with the setup you had on your A6 but i was just trying to go for something a little different, i think that all said and done the side exit will sound good and give me the flow that i was looking for.
P.S. still waitin on the CAT from work should be in any day now

[minimenogo]

should get the cat in this morning from work so hopfully get it welding on my day off or early tommarow before work.

[minimenogo]

got the cat in yestersday at work and welded it to the exhaust right before the muffler. so now that the exhaust is done a have to get a battery, and do the alternator and the manifold, also hook up the v-tec wiring. anybody have any hands on experience and diagrams with the vtec wiring cause that would be great.

[crazi-85crx]

anybody have any hands on experience and diagrams with the vtec wiring cause that would be great.
I do ;)

[Sexicivic2000]

i would check your timing you need to line the cam gear with the up facing up of course then you need to line the horizontal lines on the gear with the surface of the head it doesnt quite sit level if your looking at the gear when you do this you will notice it is kinda cocked towards the front of the car then on the bottonm end if you are looking at your crankshaft pulley line up the red mark with the pointer on the lower timing cover add belt tension 6 rotations (counterclockwise and all your marks should line back up ...........good luck!

[minimenogo]

i would check your timing you need to line the cam gear with the up facing up of course then you need to line the horizontal lines on the gear with the surface of the head it doesnt quite sit level if your looking at the gear when you do this you will notice it is kinda cocked towards the front of the car then on the bottonm end if you are looking at your crankshaft pulley line up the red mark with the pointer on the lower timing cover add belt tension 6 rotations (counterclockwise and all your marks should line back up ...........good luck!
You're about a month late, but thanks for the effort :lol: jk