D16Z6 N/A or TURBO???

[Single Cam D]

Im just looking for opinions to see what i should do????

[SOHCinWA]

I would stay N/A but thats just my $.02
Don

[funkified]

well really depends what your goals are for the car. you should state those first.

i personally will be boosting my z6 as i want to run on the strip with some decent times, and possibly some auto x too.

[Single Cam D]

Ok well where as SOHCinWa would know everyone in washington runs a b-series and im looking to beat out a decent bit of stock b-series if that helps.

[20civic00]

go greddy turbo kit and tune with crome. easy decent forced induction power. and its reliable too

[Single Cam D]

How much different in price am i looking for the turbo kit compared to N/A???

[jimmyb34]

I would stay N/A but thats just my $.02
Don

care to explain why?

im running a stage 3 cammed zc vtec (jdm z6) and it isnt fast enough.. i have 99.9% of the turbo parts here and they will be goign on asap.. imo turbo is the way to go with a sohc..
ill have under 2k with my whole setup, all namebrand quality parts.. and throw down around 230 whp.... thats about 100 more than im at now na.....

[SOHCinWA]

Like I have always said, IMO an N/A D powered car is more fun than a boosted one. (I have had a few boosted motors).. Yeah they are cool. But coming up to a light and having some "dipstick" thinking he is so fast. Then when he gets smoked, he comes up with all kinds of reasons why he lost or got beat by a naturally aspirated D motor.. Thats more fun than anything.

[hatchnthoughts]

turbo ftw dollar for dollar youll get more horsepower than staying n/a

[jimmyb34]

Like I have always said, IMO an N/A D powered car is more fun than a boosted one. (I have had a few boosted motors).. Yeah they are cool. But coming up to a light and having some "dipstick" thinking he is so fast. Then when he gets smoked, he comes up with all kinds of reasons why he lost or got beat by a naturally aspirated D motor.. Thats more fun than anything.

i figure right now i probably run 14s... with the turbo low low 13s are definitely doable at 10-12 psi for me...
modding you car 1 way or the other just so you can say "you got beat by an na sohc" is stupid imo... i just want to be fast.. 99% of the people i race dont know my setup and never will....

[SOHCinWA]

Thats true. Most people dont know all I have either. Or they may think they know. Everyone has their own opinion. Like I said that is just mine... My DD with the new Bisi head will be in the low 12's respectively according to Bisi himself.. But mine is carbed not injected also.

[bunger]

I personally think that force feeding these damn poorly flowing heads is the way to go... but I've had fun with a few NA builds. Just depends on what you want out of it. And as far as reliability goes, I've actually lost more d-series to NA than I have boost.

[SOHCinWA]

And as far as reliability goes, I've actually lost more d-series to NA than I have boost.

Out of all the D motors I have built, the only ones I grenade are the ones I put too much nitrous to.

[Single Cam D]

But if i was to go N/A could i be beating stock b-series or would a turbo set-up be better for taking down b-series motors.

[bunger]

Out of all the D motors I have built, the only ones I grenade are the ones I put too much nitrous to.

It's funny, I've never actually lost a motor to nitrous, either too much boost, or too many revs.

[bunger]

But if i was to go N/A could i be beating stock b-series or would a turbo set-up be better for taking down b-series motors.

Well what chassis is your motor going into? What trans are you using? What b-series motors do you have in mind? If you want something that is going to be faster, it's probably easier to go the boost route.

[SOHCinWA]

From stoplight to stoplight, turbo lag isnt any fun. For a DD like I said IMO N/A with some serious bolt on's you would be hard to beat.

[Single Cam D]

Its going into a 91 dx Hatch,the tranny is from a jdm D15b motor,and mainly a b18ls or maybe a b16 but thats not usual around here so pretty much a b18ls.

[Single Cam D]

what kind of serious bolt ons we talking about?????

[Eyal 951]

unless you have some serious predisposition to wanting to stay NA, and far more capitol to commit to such a build, go turbo.

[SOHCinWA]

Like I and everyone else has said. Everyone has their own opinion on this subject. And thats a good thing. Many, many options to choose from. To each their own. :TU:

[EG8SIR]

N/A D unless in gutted hatch or crx/ef pointless. N/A B more worth it. If you want a quick D and daily drive it. Turbo it

[Single Cam D]

I get that but your limited to what boost you can run when you slap a turbo on a stock motor thought,and what not.On stock internals your looking at 6-8 boost tops and thats not much of boost when you want more power.

[jimmyb34]

I get that but your limited to what boost you can run when you slap a turbo on a stock motor thought,and what not.On stock internals your looking at 6-8 boost tops and thats not much of boost when you want more power.

im planning to run AT LEAST 10 psi on a stock motor with a decent sized turbo.. its all in the tune....

[SOHCinWA]

10psi with a stock block?? Thats like driving a time bomb. Even with a good tune.

[jimmyb34]

10psi with a stock block?? Thats like driving a time bomb. Even with a good tune.

apparantley you guys dont frequent the forced induction forum here very often..... 200-250 whp on a stock block isnt much of a problem with a good tune
i should be right in the middle of those numbers... ill have arp headstuds but everythign else is stock

[SOHCinWA]

Not putting you down at all. +1 for running 10 psi with the stock internals for sure.

[Haysoos]

10psi with a stock block?? Thats like driving a time bomb. Even with a good tune.

http://www.d-series.org/forums/showthread.php?t=55997&highlight=turbo+reliability

With ARP head studs and a decent gasket, that doesn't appear to be the case. Just ask Kyle h.

[civic97]

turbo FTW:TU:

[Single Cam D]

Yeah but i have had frineds from experience run 10 psi on stock internals and it lasted about 7 months before it blew the motor up.

[konigcivic]

From stoplight to stoplight, turbo lag isnt any fun. For a DD like I said IMO N/A with some serious bolt on's you would be hard to beat.
With a turbo that's actually sized correctly for the engine, lag is not a problem

Yeah but i have had frineds from experience run 10 psi on stock internals and it lasted about 7 months before it blew the motor up.
Well, they are doing something wrong to get those results from only 10psi.

[juicedz]

Yeah but i have had frineds from experience run 10 psi on stock internals and it lasted about 7 months before it blew the motor up.

Its all got to do with tuning. Poor tune=Poor motor. No matter what you decide just make sure its done right.

[20civic00]

if you want easy power, just buy the greddy turbo kit. the e-manage isn't all that bad but you will want to get a chipped obd-1 ecu and tune with crome if your gona up the boost. the greddy kit is set up at 5.5 psi and on a d16y8 and a 2.5-3" inch exhaust...your lookin at about 160-170ish hp. thats an awefull lot for 2 grand compared to 130 hp on a 2 grand bidget for your N/A motor

[20civic00]

and after you get the greddy kit, you can prolly up the bosst 1-1.5psi (but use a wideband sensor to be sure) because the e-manage is set to run a bit on the rich side.

so then all that with a boost controller and bov...your lookin at about 170-175hp

[Single Cam D]

Yeah but out the gate i will have at least 120 hp between my new d16z6 and a full exhaust on there then do the bolt ons and ill be sitting just fine i would think at least.I also got a chipped ecu all ready to go with my motor.

[20civic00]

well do what you want then. its just that buying a turbo kit for 2000, then a bov for 50ish, and a boost controller for another 100 isn't bad. then maybe 300 for your tune with your chipped ecu and you can run 8psi safetly on a stock motor. or just even buy the obd-1 greddy kit for 1500 and injectors off of ebay and be satisfied with that.

its a waaay bigger bang for your buck then goin N/A. once you have a turbo then you'll never want a d-series n/a. i was in your situation a few months ago and playing with bolt-ons. then i road in my buddies crx with just a greddy kit and the turbo bug bit the shit outa me. thats why im giving up on my obd-2 N/A build and saving up for a y8 mini-me swap and a 96-00 greddy kit w/ bov.

[EG8SIR]

i have bolts ons and a tune and im still slow. i could run low 15s and 14s with a launch but what are you gonna do.

[Single Cam D]

What kind of bolt ons do you have anyways other than what it says above????

[miro_gt]

lol ... that's like asking: what should I run ? Slow D, or Fast D

now bite me for what I've just said

[Single Cam D]

Ok well im still exploring but a N/A d is looking decent for the price i can get parts at.

[20civic00]

well you know, if you get I/IM/H/E, your car will be quick but not fast. your gona need a port and polish, big cam, high comp pistons, and a really good tune. thats about 160ishwhp. but its gona cost allot. when you could have a bit more power for less with the greddy turbo kit.

[hyisbm]

sorry to thread jack but I have been trying to research this comparison with no luck. Power for power, which car would be faster considering same chassis and everything? Would be a 200 hp NA set up beat a 200 hp turbo? And why?

[drunkinmaster1]

lol at this thread!!!!
homemade turbo setup ftw. you can throw one together for around a grand that'll make a greddy kit cry.
10 psi on a stock motor means nothing, it depends on the size of the turbo.
the limits on a stock bottom end d-series is around 250ish with a good tune before the rods will snap.
ive never had as much fun with a turbo settup. lag is way overrated.
power is the same as na until you hit boost. with the right sized turbo you should really have a lag issue. shit, my turbo is big for a d and i dont have any issues with stoplight racing. think of it this way, lag is like traction control.
but everyone is open to their own opinion. i just think that NA d-series feels slow. i like the feeling of being pinned back into my seat.
and the sound of that turbo spooling is intoxicating.

[carby]

Just a thought. If you live in a high altitude area you'll have more power with a turbo because it takes less of a hit to the thin air.

[Single Cam D]

Yeah but how long will the motor last on 10psi????And how expensive are you guys looking at for going N/A???I mean Im almost sold on a turbo just still think more things can go bad with a turbo setup compared to N/A.

[jimmyb34]

as long as you want it to with a good tune and maintaining it...
i was in the same boat as you... i decided to pick up a cam and crap... and it isnt enough, not by a longshot
everything for boost is sitting here minus 3 SMALL things.. when they come my shit will be on the next day

[Single Cam D]

Even on stock internals it will last????Would it be smart to upgrade internals before i turbo it and would it be more of a hassle to upgrade internals when the motor is in the car????

[jimmyb34]

go read the stickies in the forced induction forum...

[Single Cam D]

Ok bro thanks for the help.Hopefully this will help my decision....

[Single Cam D]

Alot of the stickies i looked at they ran the setup stock for 10k n ot bad some with ring problems and alot with oil issues.....

[NOSAJ]

I saw the title and thought to myself "what an easy question".


but to each their own and it depends on what your goals are.
And for your goals (to beat B's) = Turbo of course

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/69NOSAJ/29Mar05143.jpg

stock 7psi automatic w/ no problems except the automatic
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/69NOSAJ/Dyno1.bmp

I've been runnin 10psi daily for the last year.

boost is addictive and I will not go back to n/a unless it's a BBC.

[Single Cam D]

Your telling me i couldnt take down a b-series with a N/A d-series????I like both N/a and TURBO i just see more stuff go wrong with a turbo on stock it seems....

[miro_gt]

sorry to thread jack but I have been trying to research this comparison with no luck. Power for power, which car would be faster considering same chassis and everything? Would be a 200 hp NA set up beat a 200 hp turbo? And why?

no way.

Unless you put both of them at the point where both make 200HP .. and keep those at that point ... which will never happen

[SOHCinWA]

IMO a 200hp N/A motor will beat a turbo 200hp any day..... The N/A motor will have more of a flat torque curve and absolutely no lag...

[DougNuts]

IMO a 200hp N/A motor will beat a turbo 200hp any day..... The N/A motor will have more of a flat torque curve and absolutely no lag...

A flat torque curve doesn't mean squat if it's low. It's all about area under the curve guys. Generally, a turbo motor will have a much stronger mid-range than an N/A motor, even if peak power output is similar.

[Single Cam D]

I picked up my motor tonight its the sohc zc vtec which is the d16z6 just in japanese so im happy........Im still not sure on the build i want to do yet..but thanks for the imput guys.

[96civicex]

I went the all motor route and after

Integra Rods and Pistons
Port and polished and milled head
JG Cam
AEM Cam Gear
Integra throttle body
Removed AC and Power Steeering
OBD2a to OBD1 ECU Upgrade with Uberdata
AEM Cold Air Intake
DC Sport 4-2-1 Header
Custom Mandral Bent "2.25 Exhaust
Zex Flywheel
Clutchmaster Clutch
'93 EX Tranny

and god knows what else . I wish I would have gone the turbo route to begin with in fact I started to re do a my project for a small turbo but ended up selling the car. I'm looking for a 92-95 Coupe to start a turbo project again