Subframe Brace Req? EG Daily Driver w/new 17mm Rear Sway

[PianoMan]

As I suspected, my rear sway bar install for the Eibach Pro-System Plus kit will require changing out my rear LCA's which have no sway bar mounting point (I hoped for a minute it would mount to the shock mounting location on the existing LCA's).

My question is: w/a new 17mm rear sway, should I install a rear subframe brace? Or just replace the LCA's and install the sway brackets directly to the chassis? This car is a daily driver, and aside from some fun in taking some off-ramps ambitiously, won't see much "suspension stress."

Looking to save some $$$, especially if it isn't required.

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[K2e2vin]

I don't think it would be a problem. The guys tearing their frame were using ITR or bigger bars(ITR is 23mm IIRC)

[99EJ6T]

you should be ok, but i would get it just for insurance.

[nation of kong]

you should be ok, but i would get it just for insurance.

not to mention they look great under the car with aftermarket LCA's lol

you should be ok running a 17mm though without a brace. if it were over 20 and above then you would definately need to run one.

[PianoMan]

Unanimous replies!!! REP all around!

Looks like I won't need it, but 99EJ6T does appeal to my evil side - I do want one for insurance (and LOOKS! :TU: ), but after this JRSC install, I need to trim some costs for the time being.

Thanks again, y'all are awesome!!!

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[transzex]

Eibach kit doesn't need to change the LCA's. The kit comes with brackets that mount to your LCA's.......

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m307/bonespec/Misc/P9060015.jpg

Good luck getting the inner LCA bolt out, it'll break the spot welds on the nut. You will need a thin wall 17 mm (1/2" Craftsman Deep BARELY fits) to tighten the LCA bolt back down.

MAKE SURE the mounts are lined up. If they are twisted the bar will bind, making it act like it's twice as think.....snap oversteer is bad, mkay?

I've had my kit for over 10 years.....

[PianoMan]

:confused:

LOL, I'm going to have to take a look at the kit again. I just took a quick look at the endlinks supplied and automatically assumed it needed a sway mounting point on the LCA. I'll pull it out tonight an do a better examination.

You're most likely right - won't need to change those arms out, but I just put in an order for a pair of Blox rear LCA's - not smart. :alky:

Thx for the tips on removing. I may just change them out anyways.

What's your opinion on the Eibach method of mounting to the LCA? Would it be worthwhile to look for a pair of endlinks since I'll have the sway mounting point now?

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[nation of kong]

its a matter of how the endlink meets with the sway bar. From the picture that transzex provided it looks like thats the only way its going work out, so you'll have to use the ones supplied by Eibach. I doubt that OEM endlinks would work with the Eibach bar.

[PianoMan]

Eibach must have changed their design. The install instructions direct you to use the OE endlinks (as if I had them installed originally, go figure :noway: ). There's no bracket, and it looks like you'll need a swaybar mounting point on the LCA.

The mounting point hole in my rear bar is oriented so that the bolt must go thru it horizontally, parallel to the LCA, which then turns 90 deg to mount on the LCA, with the bolt facing front/rear.

Just placed an order for a pair of Blox Racing endlinks - they should do the trick.

This is already fun and I haven't even mocked up the install yet. ;)

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[4Door Life]

what is the total cost so far, ive been in the market for a while for a rear sway bar...

[PianoMan]

Total cost thus far:

Eibach Anti-Roll Kit: $345 (not sure if they sell the rear separately, but I know ST [Susp. Techniques] does, and it seems to be well regarded too)
Blox Racing LCA's: $110
Blox Racing Rear Sway Endlinks: $50

So if you take half the Eibach kit, you're looking at around $340.

I looked at Skunk and Omni for the LCA's, but couldn't swallow the $200 or so for the pair (but I'm sure they're good). The Blox Endlinks were the easiest ones I could find after doing a quick Google search.

I'll take some pics once I get these babies on (and all the parts come in :hyper: ).

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[transzex]

I paid $425 for my front and rear sway bar kit, front had no mounting points on the LCA either :)

[nation of kong]

i picked up my omni's for 123 shipped, but Blox does have some nice black LCAs though.

[gerry mulligan]

you can get the A-Spec 22mm Sway Bar Kit with Subframe Brace about $270- $280 and omin lca $110

[remoer]

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m307/bonespec/Misc/P9060015.jpg

is it me or is the rear bumper cut?

[RENR]

you dont really need the subframe brace. i would however use large washers about the size of a quarter when you mount the sway bar brackets.both on the inside and outside
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b45/renrtuning/111aaa.jpg

[transzex]

is it me or is the rear bumper cut?

Hey, at least it has a cover on it!!!!!!

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m307/bonespec/Honda/RR/norearbumper.jpg

[PianoMan]

i picked up my omni's for 123 shipped, but Blox does have some nice black LCAs though.

:TU:

My pair of Blox black LCA's just came in the mail today. Now for the endlinks (also getting shipped from CA to CA - so should be here quick) and I can slap these Eibach sways on!

Thx for the input, RENR - I'm definitely putting off the subframe brace. Though now, with black rear LCA's, I don't think that aluminum brace will look as good as if I had gone with aluminum rear LCA's. But one thing bothers me - these Eibach sways are RED. :confused:

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[4Door Life]

:TU:

My pair of Blox black LCA's just came in the mail today. Now for the endlinks (also getting shipped from CA to CA - so should be here quick) and I can slap these Eibach sways on!

Thx for the input, RENR - I'm definitely putting off the subframe brace. Though now, with black rear LCA's, I don't think that aluminum brace will look as good as if I had gone with aluminum rear LCA's. But one thing bothers me - these Eibach sways are RED. :confused:

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pics please...:D

[PianoMan]

Will definitely post once I get everything together. :mrgreen:

Just need the endlinks; and now, I've discovered, a pair of sway bar mounting brackets. Looking at the bracket supplied by Eibach is different from the sway bar bracket mount holes on the subframe. As most of you may know, the sway bar mounting bolt holes are offset, but on the Eibach bracket, they're even (designed to mount on a flat surface). I know I could use a flange washer underneath the lower bolt hole, but I'm the obsessive type and rather go for a factory mounting bracket. :rolleyes:

Hope these things aren't too hard to find. Google's coming up dry so far. May visit local Honda parts store. :shocked:

Will keep ya all posted!

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[PianoMan]

Here's the pics for my bracket dilemma:

Here's the application, '95 del Sol (EG chassis):
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l171/chrisngem/RearSubframeandLCA.jpg

The sway bracket mounting holes:
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l171/chrisngem/RearSubframeCloseUp.jpg

Here's the Eibach supplied mounting bracket (yep - it's flat):
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l171/chrisngem/EibachSwayMountingBracket.jpg
Anyone know to what chassis this will mount to without modifications?

Lastly, this piece was in the rear sway hardware kit, but doesn't seem to go with anything. Only thing I can think of is that it'll replace the bottom portion adjustable endlinks, the part which attached to the LCA:
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l171/chrisngem/EndlinkBracket.jpg

Maybe that subframe might make it easier to install? :confused: Almost tempted to get it now, LOL.

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[PianoMan]

Ooops - just figured out my chassis' an EH ('95 del Sol) - I'm such a noob at this. :hammer:

I definitely start a new thread when I get pics up of the Eibach sways once they're on.

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[gpny]

To be honest, if you can return the kit, you should do that and get the ASR 22mm Combo.
It's fantastic, and it braces the subframe.

FYI, I ran the ST bar for 2 years, followed by an ITR bar on the ST mounting points and finally upgraded to the ASR Brace when I started autocrossing and using hoosier autocross slicks.

[PianoMan]

Thx for the advice, but I don't think my driving habits (and er- proficiency) would warrant going up to a beefier sway bar(s). This is my DD, and probably will never see an autox in it's lifetime. Just wanted to keep the "back end from going willy-nilly" as it does right now in anything other than a slow turn.

Was definitely looking at the ASR brace - didn't know there was an actual combo. But 22mm? LOL, that'll probably send me off the onramp next time I get ambitious at entering the freeway. :shocked:

How'd you like the ST bar? What thickness was it?

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[gpny]

ST bars made a huge difference... Turns I was previously taking at 30 mph could be take at 40mph... Seriously, I was amazed at the time... The friend who helped me put them on at the time was a great driver and took me for my first spin and I thought I was going to die in the first corner but the car just stayed planted and took the turn... ST bar was 19mm I think...
22mm bar is a lot nicer but does provoke lift off oversteer which has made me ship the car a few times autocrossing (due to lack of skill) As I become a better driver, the swaybars really let me push the car harder and harder...
As for never autocrossing your car, you should really look into it... It's cheap, and you learn a lot about car control. It really makes you a better driver! I'm actually trying to get my GF into it also and am modding the car to be better overall for autox.

[Steve-O]

you should be ok, but i would get it just for insurance.even the 14mm rear bars on the 94-01 integras have reinforcement from the factory inside the subframe so i would recommend getting it just to be safe. if you had ultra stiff shocks and springs then it might be okay because body roll would be kept to a minimum already from them but it's better to err or the side of caution when it comes to your suspension, especially if damage to the body can occur.

the ARS brace is a nice unit for the price, comes with pretty much everything you need and allows you to run a bigger bar in the future if you choose :TU:

[PianoMan]

As for never autocrossing your car, you should really look into it... It's cheap, and you learn a lot about car control. It really makes you a better driver! I'm actually trying to get my GF into it also and am modding the car to be better overall for autox.

I've always got an open mind - I'll definitely look into it. :TU: Probably better on a tarmac practicing the limits than an onramp, eh?

As for the ASR subframe brace, I'm getting second thoughts now (of course, I figured this wouldn't be a cut and dry process). Just ordered the sway mounting brackets from Honda - I'll see how they work out. That ASR's $180... may have to really consider that later on...

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