tire wear question

[turboedpickup]

so... the inner part of both front tires are worn out...almost bald - while the rest of the tire has a lot of meat left. what part of the suspension is to blame???

the rear wheels seem to have that uneven wear (on the inside as well) as if the tire was bouncing... like... tread-blad-tread-bald-tread-bald... what would that be? this is on a 98 accord. thanks.

[90EFsi]

is your car lowered?
if so u may need an alignment and get your camber fixed

[Chiovnidca]

so... the inner part of both front tires are worn out...almost bald - while the rest of the tire has a lot of meat left. what part of the suspension is to blame???

That's usually from the front toe being off.


the rear wheels seem to have that uneven wear (on the inside as well) as if the tire was bouncing... like... tread-blad-tread-bald-tread-bald... what would that be? this is on a 98 accord. thanks.
A chopped look? Lack of tire rotation is a possibility.

[FInduction101]

I'd blame it on toe. Your toe is probably too far out and need an alignment to pull the toe back to 0 and also having bad camber doesn't help too.

[99EJ6T]

so... the inner part of both front tires are worn out...almost bald - while the rest of the tire has a lot of meat left. what part of the suspension is to blame???

combo of camber (why it is limiting to just the inside) and toe (why it is wearing faster then the rest) FTW.

the rear wheels seem to have that uneven wear (on the inside as well) as if the tire was bouncing... like... tread-blad-tread-bald-tread-bald... what would that be?

combo of camber (same as above) and tire out of balance (unsprung weight). yes, the tire is literaly bouncing as it travels down the road causing the tire to have patches of tread. dampner could also be to blame or at least a contributing factor for the missing sections of tread.

btw: just an FYI, if i am not mistaken, this is covered in the sticky:
http://www.d-series.org/forums/showthread.php?t=47056

[turboedpickup]

yeah - a lil part about toe-in and out are in the sticky (doh!) anyways - yeah, i was confused because i was reading the manual... and inner wear was about suspension components...... nothin about toe/alignmen :TD: but anyways. yeah, thanks!

[Bahamutzero1059]

it could be both but i think the camber would cause more of the inner wear...toe scrubbs the tire across the ground..so if you have a toe issue you can feel it...and some times see it.

rub you hand across the tire. if it feels smooth one way and rough the other you have feathering....a toe issue..if you dont really feel that then its prolly mostly camber which i dont think an alignment can help with w/o a camber kit...which isnt cheap @.@

[Bahamutzero1059]

oh and the tread bald tread bald thing.....that could be due to bad shocks.
because the shocks dont have the force to push out any more..it all relies on the springs...but since its a spring it will go up and down easy and wont stop lol....the tire will sorta look lumpy if you look close.

also a quick test for that is push down on the back of the car..if it goes down easy and bounces (even slightly) more than twice ...your shocks are prolly bad >.<

[99EJ6T]

it could be both but i think the camber would cause more of the inner wear...toe scrubbs the tire across the ground..so if you have a toe issue you can feel it...and some times see it.

rub you hand across the tire. if it feels smooth one way and rough the other you have feathering....a toe issue..if you dont really feel that then its prolly mostly camber which i dont think an alignment can help with w/o a camber kit...which isnt cheap @.@

oh and the tread bald tread bald thing.....that could be due to bad shocks.
because the shocks dont have the force to push out any more..it all relies on the springs...but since its a spring it will go up and down easy and wont stop lol....the tire will sorta look lumpy if you look close.

also a quick test for that is push down on the back of the car..if it goes down easy and bounces (even slightly) more than twice ...your shocks are prolly bad >.<

:bravo: for knowing your sh!t, :cussing: for beating me to it.

[Bahamutzero1059]

why thank ya...i feel special now :)

[turboedpickup]

ok bringing this thread back up to not make a new one... if the tire wears out on the inside... and it's not because of toe - but because of camber... would getting a camber kit solve the problem? - or are there other suspension components i need to replace... and what are they...?

[Chiovnidca]

ok bringing this thread back up to not make a new one... if the tire wears out on the inside... and it's not because of toe - but because of camber... would getting a camber kit solve the problem? - or are there other suspension components i need to replace... and what are they...?
If the problem is camber get it straightened out. You'll have to reset the front toe again after.

[Haysoos]

Turboed, how do you know it's camber and not toe? Are you lowered? If so, how much?

Most people have said that you shouldn't have camber tire wear if you are 1. lowered less than 2" and 2. make sure your toe is right. Otherwise, you would have to buy a kit becuase I don't think you can adjust camber at all without it. I could be wrong though.

Also, can't that kind of wear be caused by bad trailing arm bushings? Regardless, if they were bad, you would know because the back end would not feel solid on the road. I don't know how to explain it, but I drove a Camry with shot RTA bushings and the back end was "wobbly" at best. Tires were bald on the inside, almost full tread outside. (that car was FUCKED up)

[Speedjunky01]

im lowered 1.5" camber wear=SHIT lol rotate every 6k

and 12,000 miles on kumbo 712's are GONE on the inside lol....

I do drive the car super hard tho.



I got a deal on my omni power camber kit 110 SHIPPED!! plus full adjustability of suspension NEVER hurts no matter how lowered you are.

[turboedpickup]

i'm not lowered at all. completely stock suspension. from what i read above and in the manual... it seemed that toe would cause the "feathering" or roughness etc... but this is just plain...the inside is wearing out faster than the outside.

it's not wobbly... i can/like going through some roads - not fastfast ofcourse... but it's secure... when all the tires are 195... longshot - but it wouldn't be caused from a messed up axle right? maybe worn out shocks? but they seem ok. but yeah.

speaking of the trailing arm bushings... so if they're bad - the inside would be really bald??? hmm... the honda accord may have bad bushings... because the last set of tires were pretty much "1/2 penny" tread on the outside...with a bald inside.......

[Chiovnidca]

im lowered 1.5" camber wear=SHIT lol rotate every 6k

and 12,000 miles on kumbo 712's are GONE on the inside lol....

I do drive the car super hard tho.

Did you get the toe set after lowering it?


i'm not lowered at all. completely stock suspension. from what i read above and in the manual... it seemed that toe would cause the "feathering" or roughness etc... but this is just plain...the inside is wearing out faster than the outside.


Toe usually just makes one side of the tires wear.

[97y7hatch]

inner tire edge wear = negative CAMBER issues.
outer tire edge wear = positive CAMBER issues.

patchy or "bumpy" un-even wear = TOE issues. (also causes nasty vibration)

this is all provided shocks/springs/bushings are all in decent condition.

:done:

[Speedjunky01]

Did you get the toe set after lowering it?




yup the day after as a matter of fact, drove 30 miles after the drop STRAIGHT to the local sears :). best place to aline! 6month/6000 mile guaranty!

[turboedpickup]

inner tire edge wear = negative CAMBER issues.


ok we've got that... how do you fix this other than a camber kit - unless ofcourse that is the only solution... which bushings would i go about to replace?

oh and speedjunky, how much is an alignment at sears?

[97y7hatch]

for a civic they sell adjustable upper balljoints to fix this.

im not so sure about an accord, but probably something similar.

[lsturbohatch10]

if your car is stock heighth, then you do not need a camber kit. you may need new shocks, or possible new bushings. if you are replacing bushings get the Energy suspension. they really do help alot. when i put my gsr suspension on my car, my toe was towed in terribly. ate off the 3/4 tread i had left on my Nitto Neo Gens in one trip to huntsville. i was pissed. my car is lowered 2.5(or so) inches(i can only get one finger between fender and tire). and after alignment, i dont wear tires at all. my new tires (about a month old) still have nobbys on them and still have 100% tread life. and they are shitty tires(namebrand is Clear) lol

[97y7hatch]

if your car is stock heighth,

for some reason i keep thinking its lowered, hence my previous advice.

:-?

[sloK]

A chopped look? Lack of tire rotation is a possibility.

yes, if u dont rotate a FWD cars tires every like 6K or so, it will start to get choppy.

[turboedpickup]

which bushings to i get - are there specific ones that need replacement... or am i stuck with buying the whole kit (~140) ... and if i'm not mistaken... bushing replacement isn't necessarily easy without the right tools... right?

[Chiovnidca]

bushing replacement isn't necessarily easy without the right tools... right?
It's not necessarily easy with the right tools. LOL