snap ring wont budge

[quest4boost]

im trying to separate the tranny case, i've got the two housings about 1/2" apart and shimmed with pieces of wood and the dowel pins are out of their holes. problem is that the snap ring still sits in the bearing groove like it did at the beginning, and at this point, no matter what i do the two halfs of the case will not separate any further.

could it be that even when the snap ring is fully expanded with pliers that a part of it is still caught in the bearing so when i pry the case open, the snap ring is actually pulling the bearing up along with the case and now im actually pulling on the shafts themselves?

[94z6ex]

sounds like you need to close the case back up and stop prying on stuff. the tranny case isnt designed to be released with the snap ring being removed. put the case back in its place and try it again, if it doesnt work then you may have damaged something.

the snap ring should be easy to get off, but you have to do it with patience. Its easier ith two people. You very well may not be getting the ring out of the bearings groove, which would cause the case not to seperate. have a friend extend the ring while you wiggle the case around trying to release it.

[quest4boost]

sounds like you need to close the case back up and stop prying on stuff. the tranny case isnt designed to be released with the snap ring being removed. put the case back in its place and try it again, if it doesnt work then you may have damaged something.

the snap ring should be a breeze to get off.

im not trying to remove the snap ring, im expanding it to release it from the bearing, the FSM says to do this, as well as the DIY sticky at the top of this forum. also, ive never heard ppl say that the snap ring is a breeze, most say its a bitch to get off.

[workinprog]

actually no everyone i have talked to agrees that the snap ring is the biggest PITA and one of the most time consuming parts about seperating the case.It took me about an hour and a half to get my snap ring off the bearing groove.

[quest4boost]

ok, i was doing some reading over on h-t and one guy said to tilt the tranny on its side, placing it so that the opening on the snap ring faces the ground and the bearing should release itself from the ring due to gravity, can anyone verify this?

[workinprog]

yea it the same concept i was mentioning to you but i suppose its easier if you have a way to hold it upside down.

[DirtyDC4]

I've practiced on 3 different cases and have the hang of it...but let's just say I don't do it a conventional way.

[transzex]

sounds like you need to close the case back up and stop prying on stuff.


well said......

[quest4boost]

i closed the case back up and im using snap ring pliers to keep the ring fully expanded at all times, but the case still wont come off. it feels like its caught on something. i took out all the bolts that join the 2 halves together as well as the 3 bolts/springs/balls, could i have forgotten to take out a bolt or something?

[workinprog]

maybe but its pretty time consuming and frustrating for the first time.

[94z6ex]

im not trying to remove the snap ring, im expanding it to release it from the bearing, the FSM says to do this, as well as the DIY sticky at the top of this forum. also, ive never heard ppl say that the snap ring is a breeze, most say its a bitch to get off.

yes you are actually trying to remove the ring from the bearing groove.....which is what i was talking about.

maybe but its pretty time consuming and frustrating for the first time.

took me one try............beginners luck i guess :TU:

[94z6ex]

i closed the case back up and im using snap ring pliers to keep the ring fully expanded at all times, but the case still wont come off. it feels like its caught on something. i took out all the bolts that join the 2 halves together as well as the 3 bolts/springs/balls, could i have forgotten to take out a bolt or something?

youve already said that you had the case somewhat seperated.......so i doubt that you missed any bolts or anything.

Why are you taking it apart anyway?

[workinprog]

If it aint broke dont fix it

[94z6ex]

If it aint broke dont fix it

thats what i was getting at......but if it is in fact broke, then maybe something is so severly torn up in there that it is keeping the case from seperating.......(HIGHLY DOUBTFUL) but i just dont see how that would happen, it was just a thought.

i personally think something got was torn up while the prying occured. the snap ring is not that strong (its strong wor what it is needed for).......im sure a few good prys could be the cause of the problem realeasing it. I dont think you should have that much trouble, especially if you have the actual snap ring tool.....you would have gotten it by now. all i had was a pair of needle nosed plyers and that took care of it quick.

post up some pics, maybe someone here will see something that you dont.

[Chiovnidca]

Lets see a pic of you expanding the clip. I've never had a problem getting one unhooked. Done dozens of em.

[transzex]

sticky diff :)

[quest4boost]

im opening the trans up to replace the ISB, im wouldn't put myself though all this pain if nothing was wrong. im feeling more and more retarded from wrestling with this damn thing. here is the tool im using, http://canadiantire.ca/browse/product_detail.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=140847439 6672921&bmUID=1165272496173&PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524441900007&assortment=primary&fromSearch=true

anyways, just so you guys know, i wasn't prying on it with a lot of force. i basically wrapped a mini crow bar with lots of tape and gentily separated the case. i stopped once the case resisted my attempts, i hope i didn;t damage anything inside.

transzex, if it is a sticky diff should i keep pulling on it? what do you suggest i do now?

[Chiovnidca]

Those pliers make it very difficult. If the plier tips are against the bearing they wedge the back of the ring into groove. You need some with flat tips so you can catch the ring at the ends.

[transzex]

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[quest4boost]

you guys were completely right, the snap ring pliers i was using turned out to be the problem. anyways, i took a pair of regular pliers that i bought at the dollar store and cut 2 grooves into it for the ends of the snap ring to sit in. using this tool and a little more prying, i got the case off in a matter of minutes.

thx for all the help.

[bense]

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