Check this out! Teaser pics

[DragOnRE2]

This is a new process that is being tested in K,D and Bseries trannies that should lower the drag coefficient throughout the drive train and solve the 1-2 and 2-3 grind problem with the K series. As well as other inherent problems with FWD transaxles.
More stats to come. This is Flash202's off K20A.org Gearbox done by Brian at Raabe Racing
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i248/Sohfast94/IMG_0259.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i248/Sohfast94/IMG_0260.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i248/Sohfast94/IMG_0261.jpg
Assembled
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i248/Sohfast94/Picture006.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i248/Sohfast94/Picture005.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i248/Sohfast94/Picture008.jpg
For comparison
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i248/Sohfast94/Picture007.jpg

[Dweezil]

You might want to edit out the phone number, it makes it sound like your trying to sell something.

So is it a ceramic coating or something that's being applied to everything?

[CrazyConscious]

So, is there somthing being done to them...all i see is pretty pictures and no explanation...

[inh]

im gonna go ahead and say all that ish has been mikronited. its like beadblasting but more radical. it uses differnt blasting media (lighter, organic materials) at forces of up to liek 25G's. It super polishes and hardens the surfaces. I plan on doing this to my close ratio tranny ive yet to build...

[CrazyConscious]

im gonna go ahead and say all that ish has been mikronited. its like beadblasting but more radical. it uses differnt blasting media (lighter, organic materials) at forces of up to liek 25G's. It super polishes and hardens the surfaces. I plan on doing this to my close ratio tranny ive yet to build...

Sounds good, i'd like to hear bones opinion on this though

[inh]

im sure he'll chime in ;) i wanna hear it too.

recent testing gained 9hp on a mustang when they mikronited the rear end gears. no change in fluid temp.

just cause we drive imports doesnt mean we cant read the 'other' car mags.. hint hint nudge nudge

[modsHXcivi]

No free plugs ....

[JDMEF7]

Interesting,
We had an 850 hp BMW 2002turbo rally car in at my old work which kept detonating the oil beween the teeth of the gears. No shit, it had so much balls it was blowing the oil up like diesel between the teeth, making big ugly pit marks.
He was blowing a tranny about every 1000k's
We ended up tianium coating the whole gear set and it solved the problem.
The gears looked fucking amazing too, the titanium coating is bright gold like the titanium drill bits.
It was about $300nz ($150ish US) Look into it at your local electroplater.

[inh]

wow. only $150 to get it all palted? thats waaaay cheaper than i would have thought. mikroniting is a bit more than that i beleive...

[lilryanadamse]

i dont think i have a local electoplater.

[lsturbohatch10]

me either.
but i kinda learned how to do it in chemistry a couple weeks ago.

[DragOnRE2]

It's not electropating in any way. Plating and coating wears off over time. This is a way of eliminating the high/low spots in the finish of the metal surfaces. Sorry if it seems like an Ad but, it's copy pasted. I wanted make sure that everyone got a chance to see it and this is like the 10th forum. Not that you guys are any less than any of the others by the way.

[DragOnRE2]

PS. The process is called Mikronite. I'm sure you've read about it.... The difference between us and others is that we're getting it done by the Mikronite labs themselves and not just leasing the machines. This way we can guarantee upmost accuracy rather than just "yeah throw'em in the machine for a bit till they get shiny"

[remoer]

It sure is purrty... lol

[DragOnRE2]

IS that EG "Fast"/flat black? Nice.

[inh]

how much does it cost to get all the internals treated?

[DragOnRE2]

The price right now is TBA. I should now by tomorrow. If not late today.

[lilryanadamse]

i would like to know to. this sounds like a pretty sweet deal.

[transzex]

Nothing new IMHO.....

http://www.rosler-benelux.be/www_roesler2004/images/bearbeitungsmoeglichkeiten/rem/schwerlast2.jpg

The xxx process is a two-step chemical and vibratory process that eliminates the microscopic peaks on metal to metal contact surfaces such as gears. Through the simple leveling of the peaks, the dimensional integrity of the part is not compromised and a smooth chrome-like finish is created that has numerous beneficial qualities.

xxx processed components allow race cars to pick up the extra horse power that is normally lost to friction. Gear sets run much cooler after receiving the xxx Process. In racing, cool operating temperatures mean improved power and durability. This will save money as well as seconds.

There is simply no substitute for zzz’s xxx Process. It is no wonder that teams in top racing series throughout the world choose zzz. For performance-based companies whose products must excel in an extreme environment, xxx can mean the winning difference.



There is already a forum member using the process, atleast I hope his magic black dog box has it :)

I changed the company's name and process.......

[DragOnRE2]

That's a type of plating. We're not plating anything. Plating and coating wear off. This stuff is used in top fuel and Nascar. The tranny is being put back in today I'll have some results later.

[JDMEF7]

That's a type of plating. We're not plating anything. Plating and coating wear off. This stuff is used in top fuel and Nascar. The tranny is being put back in today I'll have some results later.

Not to my understanding it isn't, it's a microscopic removal of the burred surface. How can that be considered plating?.
As Bones said, it's nothing new, if anything you may have a new way of achieving somthing somone does differently.
There are a buttload of companies doing this sort of thing here see for your self.
http://www.google.co.nz/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=chemical++vibratory+process++eliminates++microsc opic+peaks++metal+contact+surfaces+gears&btnG=Search&meta=
http://www.owr.ehnr.state.nc.us/ref/34/33093.pdf

[BigTuna]

Christ every forum I am on some newb is posting the same damn pics saying the same stuff. The process is called Mikronite, its used on heart valves than need to flawless and have no machining marks ridges even at the microscopic level. In simple terms is glass beading and shot peening to the 1000th degree. People have been coating trans gears for years this is just next step in metal finishing technology.

If your bored and want to read more go to http://www.mikronite.com/flashRoot.asp

Its cool technology but dont empty your wallet to quick it wont be long before SS Auto Chrome or Megan will have the technology :p

[oranges]

From what Ive read, the hot setup for extra low friction on parts is to micropolish the metal parts, and then apply a coating of tungsten disulfide to the polished metal. The coating is very inexpensive compared to the micropolishing. It comes in a fine powder form and can be air-blasted onto the parts in question, or I've read that a solution can be made of the powder and rubbing alcohol and then rubbed/buffed onto the surfaces.

http://www.brycoat.com/WS2/index.html
or
http://www.microblueonline.com/
...neat stuff.

[95dxd15z6]

i should definately look into this

[DragOnRE2]

Here wizards is direct quote from the owner.
Flash202
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Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: NJ / FL
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NO GRINDS !!!!! High rpm engagement of 2nd gear smooth as glass! The higher the rpms the smother the shifts are....noticably faster gear engagement
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[DragOnRE2]

PS you can get the equipment, but you won't be able to come up with the fininsh that the people at Mikronite inteneded. This I can do because I get it done, tested and fininshed by them.

[Clutchmaster]

so other than smoothing out the surface does this create or eliminate friction. as is less HP loss through the drivetrain

[Normworldhero]

The only results I've seen so far are in last month's Car Craft article wear they used this process on a ring and pinion gear in a Mustang. The result there was negligible. I would like to see some proof as to the claims regarding transmissions shifting smoother and transferring more power to the ground. It sounds great in theory.

[DragOnRE2]

Well the intial intention of it was to lower the drivetrain losses, raise durability and finally fix any inherent flaws with the gearbox. This was a success! The efficiency and whp and TQ gain is just a byproduct.

[BigTuna]

Hurry up and BUY NOW, MAJIC TRANS SNAKE OIL!!!!!!!

[inh]

car craft claimed a gain of 9hp, and now decrease in oil temps, which assumes no reduction in friction, or at least the friction that causes heat.

[DragOnRE2]

Put it on the dyno and here's the results. enjoy boys.

Sorry about the pic.
Any other info lemme know I'll get it to ya.
there's a 5deg difference in between the two runs one was off of coast down then pull and the other was cooled then heat soaked and pulled.
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i248/Sohfast94/Picture020.jpg

PS I had trouble getting the tranny to the temperature that it was when oringally tested stock. At 70mph the tranny is in fact 12-4dg cooler.

[B33BZ]

Where is the teaser?

[DragOnRE2]

What's the matter guys no "majic tranny snake oil?!" Why not makes power can't say anything opposing now huh.

[s_18]

Well, I don't really see that dyno plot as "proof "that the gains are due to your tranny process.
I'm not saying it isn't, but you're coming with a rather bold statement.

Remember, a 9 horse power gain can come from a lot of things, and we don't know anything about conditions etc of the base run.

I think some people are just naturally sceptic when people make claims something works, and especially this well...
It's not that we doubt the product you sell, but questions need to be asked.
Just look at the eBay sellers... They claim great imporvement from a fan in your intake.
Even if they had a dyno graph, I wouldn't trust them...

So if this is a legitimate gain from your work, then that is amazing in my eyes.
I couldn't get it done if I wanted to, because getting the parts over to you and back would cost a fortune...
But I hope people realize what you can do for them, and take benefit of it.
Good luck.

[BigTuna]

LOL a dyno graph doesnt prove anything, How do we know that you didnt make part throttle pulls to validate your claim? Cold pass vs Hot pass? Different weight trans oil? Different wheels? I can make my dyno graphs do what ever I want, Im not impressed and frankly I dont care. Your bragging about technology that 99 percent of this board will never need and quite frankly cant afford. Plus with the amount of money it would cost to do this to a 75 dollar Dseries transmission it would be a retarded waste of money. I can think of alot better ways to spend the money. It just gets old every 2 or 3 months some one jumps on all the honda forums and makes huge claims on how to make power if they just buy "X". When your in the scene as long as I have been you get tired of hearing all the claims.

The technology is interesting but nothing to jump through hoops about.

[DragOnRE2]

LOL a dyno graph doesnt prove anything, How do we know that you didnt make part throttle pulls to validate your claim? Cold pass vs Hot pass? Different weight trans oil? Different wheels? I can make my dyno graphs do what ever I want, Im not impressed and frankly I dont care. Your bragging about technology that 99 percent of this board will never need and quite frankly cant afford. Plus with the amount of money it would cost to do this to a 75 dollar Dseries transmission it would be a retarded waste of money. I can think of alot better ways to spend the money. It just gets old every 2 or 3 months some one jumps on all the honda forums and makes huge claims on how to make power if they just buy "X". When your in the scene as long as I have been you get tired of hearing all the claims.

The technology is interesting but nothing to jump through hoops about.

MAybe this does then, Quote from the owner
Flash202
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Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: NJ / FL
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This is the end all be all tranny treatment, if you want to make high hp, never grind 2nd again, do any form of racing, or like to give your car a good beating ever so often and not be afraid that you will damage the transmission this is a must! After driving with little to no oil and then seeing the gears when we opened the tranny case I'm astonished. After it started making a strange noise I thought for sure the gears were done, opened the tranny case to reveal gears that looked the same way they did NEW...the throw out bearing and counter shaft bearings were toast, mostly due to the fact they were run with no lubrication....and trust me don't worry about synchros Brian has even doctored up my spare stock tranny and it feels pretty damn smooth little to no grind what so ever and it's a completly stock 6-speed tranny...but I do miss my built tranny right now because its being disassembled at the moment.There is definitely a noticable difference in power between my stock tranny and Microknite treated transmission.
If you want the closest thing to an indistructable tranny this is your solution!

[custom_junky]

ok we got the point...you found a process that more or less micro polishes the internals for trannies...GREAT!!! i will probably get it done eventually, but it is not a necessidy...this process is nothing more than a nicety as insurance...no offense, but please stop acting like it is the best thing since sliced bread...

[DragOnRE2]

Sorry I just have been racing since mid nineties and have had tranny problems that were never ending. So to me I was pretty happy to find a solution to stripped gears etc...