what motor should i do (jdm d15b vtec vs jdm zc vtec) [Archive]

zeddy

11-26-2006, 02:12 PM

hey guys my old motor just want now i'm looking at buying a new motor and i'm planying on hiting the 14's this time (my old motor was a jdm d15b vtec hiting the 15.3) now the two motors i'm looking at are the jdm d15b vtec agin cuz i loved it or the jdm zc vtec what motor you gguys think is better to hit the 14's? what should i do to it to get in to the 14's?

big_g_jando

11-26-2006, 02:15 PM

d15b is a good motor . are you going boost or na

zeddy

11-26-2006, 02:19 PM

d15b is a good motor . are you going boost or na

well going n/a right now

jimmyb34

11-26-2006, 02:26 PM

1.6 > 1.5 no matter what
fuck r/s ratio, it doesnt make enough difference to convince me to swap my zc out

91civic4drboy

11-26-2006, 02:27 PM

i would go whit the D15B cuz ive had them both and the D15B to seem to have less promles get stuff for it

jimmyb34

11-26-2006, 02:28 PM

i would go whit the D15B cuz ive had them both and the D15B to seem to have less promles get stuff for it

you have no clue what your talking about do you?

91civic4drboy

11-26-2006, 02:36 PM

were i lived a lot people around me had the D15b so i get could parts from them real eazy

DirtyDC4

11-26-2006, 02:47 PM

were i lived a lot people around me had the D15b so i get could parts from them real eazy

SOHC ZC = D16Z6, an engine sold in the US.

D15B has no US equivalent.

:hammer:

JaredKaragen

11-26-2006, 02:49 PM

D15B=More power potential in the high end.... not to mention using an EX/SI tranny

do up your head and you will probably make it into the 14's. (13" steelies help alot!)

jimmyb34

11-26-2006, 02:52 PM

D15B=More power potential in the high end.... not to mention using an EX/SI tranny

do up your head and you will probably make it into the 14's. (13" steelies help alot!)

ive been in one... and i wasnt impressed... ive ran one.. and i wasnt impressed either.....
you guys that ride the d15b's jock all talk about how its so much better at higher rpms like people are revving to 10k or something...
show me a dyno of the exact same mods on a d15b and a zc/z6 and the d15b making more power.......because i dont think there is one.. and the zc/z6 has a better bottom end.. not to mention internals are a whole lot easier to get....

EG8SIR

11-26-2006, 03:09 PM

I'm with jimmy, i had the choice of D15B and SOHC ZC Vtec and ZC ended up in my car. I have yet to see a D15B put down my torque numbers before vtec engaugement: 108lb-ft

ZC > D15B

Jcazz

11-27-2006, 10:35 AM

Z6/A6/ Y8 head.....FTW...

Junonuting

11-27-2006, 12:27 PM

I got a z6, and im pretty happpy with that motor. I have a friend that did a mini-me with a d15b vtec head and a d15b7 block, and i really dont feel anything compared to my z6. Well, thats how my ass felt! lol! I like them both, if u want the JDM hotness Yo! then get the d15b vtec!! Lol

inh

11-27-2006, 02:14 PM

sohc zc ftw! thats what im doin next time i blow my a6 up

GSworks D15B

12-09-2006, 08:35 PM

Zc's are JUNK..IMO..the D15B has the same p&r's and rod journals as the D16z6.I use only D15B's < D16's....most the time.Sohc ZC is a no good dude

jimmyb34

12-09-2006, 08:48 PM

why do you consider the zc's junk? then do you consider a z6 junk? lol
every jdm d15b ive came across has had to put their head down in shame.. almighty d15b what... lol

GSworks D15B

12-09-2006, 09:18 PM

Stock for stock a Dohc zc i have YET to see beat a D15B...D15B w/ PM7 ..havent seen a bow down yet...and z6 IS junk besides the P&R's

jimmyb34

12-09-2006, 09:19 PM

i dont have a dohc zc... there is more than one version of the zc...

GSworks D15B

12-09-2006, 09:20 PM

ZC is good for nothing..sorry dude

jimmyb34

12-09-2006, 09:21 PM

thats fine.. your entitled to your opinion
but dont spread opinions that are based on nothing but that.... prove me why my zc vtec is so horrible compared to a jdm d15... with facts

GSworks D15B

12-09-2006, 09:21 PM

i mean...dont get me wrong ZC dohc are good for FI...but n/a? nope...cant do it

If i lived in ohio i could..what do you want me to present?

jimmyb34

12-09-2006, 09:22 PM

dude do you read anything that is being said... we arent talking about the dohc zc... lol

GSworks D15B

12-09-2006, 09:35 PM

and your ....ZC vtec puts out how much whp?

jimmyb34

12-09-2006, 09:36 PM

never dynoed.. but id guess its more than a d15b or the same... with more tq....

GSworks D15B

12-09-2006, 09:37 PM

Jimmy ive noticed that....but i am speaking or both ZC sohc and dohc...its kinda weird if my mini me beat a sohc ZC...and it was a d15b8 bottom at that =/

jimmyb34

12-09-2006, 09:39 PM

so your comparing things that this thread isnt even about??? that doesnt make any sense.. dude asked specifically about the zc vtec and the jdm d15.. nothing else....

GSworks D15B

12-09-2006, 09:43 PM

i onno...something about a 1.3 or 1.5 d series gets me...well a d15b with ZC pistons nets 143.2 chp ....which do you preffer ..the d15b tranny or the zc?

jimmyb34

12-09-2006, 09:44 PM

im running an si tranny.. its in my eg hatch
cx model... stage 3 exospeed cam.. crome pro tuned... its not a "stock" motor or car so to say.. but not highly modified
id guess mid 14s how it sits is aroudn what it will run easily

GSworks D15B

12-09-2006, 09:47 PM

i have a D15B with the factory lsd trany Zc 1-3 si/ex 4 gear dx final

84mm vs. 90mm im sure youll have a slight advantage in tq..but your ps/fpm is equivalent to mine...6.5k to my 7.5k

where do you redline?

jimmyb34

12-09-2006, 09:57 PM

ive been running to 7800 rpms... havent yet had a chance to pick up valvetrain.. butim not worried about it honestly.. ive got plenty of miles on with the cam.. and it definitely wants to pull higher.. my tuner runs a jdm d15b in his eg.. and i almost rearended him when he attempted tot ake off from me.. granted he was only i/h/e si tranny and tuned.. but a cam doesnt make as much of a difference as most peopel are led to believe

GSworks D15B

12-09-2006, 10:11 PM

k here...lets do this..i calc'ed it..my power is say..7k-8.2k...yours is 6k-7k base...so then 6k x 98 cid divided by 3456 nets you at 136 cfm, then 7k x 98 divided by 3456 nets you at 158 cfm...this is based at 80% VE...subtracting the two nets 11bls/min so 11 + 136 cfm .you should have 147 chp @ 80% VE...with the same calcs i come up with 158 chp @ 80%

though im sure im at more than 80% volumetric efficentcy

so my setup..without the actual dyno is anywhere from 127-135 on a good day whp

cams and valve circumferance does make a diffrence....since the VE will go up therefore filling the cylinders with more air at certain rpms

well i have a fully gutted 90's HF crx and beat A gsr DA...so....i onno

TurboedEk

12-09-2006, 10:33 PM

lol 1.6 and 1.5 suck, well d series in general break to damn easy, my 0.02
nothing wrong with sohc, mine runs 12.23 at 117 stock internals

GSworks D15B

12-09-2006, 10:51 PM

uh..p28's are good to 300hp

TurboedEk

12-09-2006, 10:56 PM

uh..p28's are good to 300hp

Not true
v4 love from houstin imports with a turbo h22 doing 500whp with a p28

another one is cheese frog, he was running a p75 at 580whp b18b turbo

EG8SIR

12-10-2006, 07:09 AM

well i have a fully gutted 90's HF crx and beat A gsr DA...so....i onno

Dude are you kidding me? I own GSR DA's with my SOHC ZC Vtec in a 4 door eg not a crx hf. honestly either go dyno or hit the track and relay the numbers. I Dyno'd 118whp and 108lb-ft of torque with my sohc zc vtec, problem was. Vtec didnt turn on till 6,700rpms (after it made peak power) and it was untuned. I stayed neck and neck with a H22 civic coupe until the top of third gear where he pulled on me.

I had an offer to buy a D15B or SOHC ZC Vtec and i am glad, hands down i picked the ZC. I havnt been beat by a D15B YET (eg's, ef's, CRX).

gloryhog

12-10-2006, 08:20 AM

Some people will always be dumbasses...they get on here blabbing about shit they have no clue about..."DOHC ZC What ?" I mean come on at least read the topics carefully before you start in with your negative opinions on a motor that nobody is even talking about. and yes the sohc zc vtec will own the d15b in stock form...my zc puts down 140 whp with just a few bolt-ons...;) though I do like the d15b because it is a stout little motor , The choice is obvious to me ....larger displacement and parts available. (Z6)

Dibble

12-10-2006, 12:02 PM

d16y5 block with y8 head.

GSworks D15B

12-10-2006, 04:02 PM

what makes you think i have a sohc zc or zc vtec for that matter...obviously you dont know the value of VE...Vtec at 6.7k is pointless, aswell as your "zcvtec" putting 118 whp...and for god's sake you did not keep up with a H22 coupe with some zcvtec contraption...LOL im sure youve beaten a DA gsr...but H22 coupe....no..and as for parts...what "parts" arent avaible for the D15B that are for the D16? please explain. Gloryhog 140 whp according to your buttdyno? or actual fact? ....i know the post is "jdm d15b or sohc zc blah"..the point is.....why waste time on a sohc zc.

Lol....is jimmy the only one on this thing worth debating with?....eh...Gloryhog....my D15B is all OEM (yet not stock )and puts out 140+ whp im sure....now your saying with i/h/e zcvtec, you have 140 whp? what percentage is your VE at...glorydog?

EG8SiR you will not beat a Crx hf gutted with a BPU D15B....i dont see it...especially a 4 door civic...sorry...just cant...maybe show me timeslip or video.i might be putting my foot in my mouth....but im sure a gsr DA with a decent driver can muster up a 14.7 timeslip...im still dumbfounded on your "neck and neck" claim with a H22.... i wish i could pull something like that....you need launch controll for 118 whp?..eh...and Turboek ...i was talking abouT P28 p&r's...not the ecu (chipped)...and i know of cheese frog...and he is not running a turbo ls....He's running a built gsr in his ek with a 60-1...almost the same setup as the blue Eg

K2e2vin

12-10-2006, 04:22 PM

Main thing you can't find for the D15B is OTS pistons(same for D17s).

You say he's got 140hp according to butt dyno, but you didn't back up your claim of +140hp. Nice debate. :rolleyes:

This is funny to me- "what percentage is your VE at...glorydog?"
VE will change with head work and camming, and you always want the highest volumetric efficiency you can get. In the case of turbo's, it's over 100%
Even then, you won't know unless you pull the head off, put it on the flow bench and crunch some numbers. If the motor has bolt-on stuff, I doubt the head has ever been on a flowbench.

ryan89crx

12-10-2006, 04:24 PM

Zc's are JUNK..IMO..the D15B has the same p&r's and rod journals as the D16z6.I use only D15B's < D16's....most the time.Sohc ZC is a no good dudei just read this thread, and i think you need to do a little more research before you start posting what you obviously do not know...

d15b and sohc zc DO NOT share the same pistons.

how the hell do you figure that the sohc zc is no good? longer stroke, more tq, actually has aftermarket pistons available for it...im not seeing a downside

oh and edit your fucking posts to add info. dont post 4 times in a row, simple to just click edit and add what you want...

GSworks D15B

12-10-2006, 04:25 PM

no kidding turbo's are over 100% VE......and if you read the past posting you'd see how i got my figures.

LOL the d15b and the civic EX d16z6 have the SAME pistons and rods.you dont know very much YOURSELF about d series blocks...i bet you'll tell me there isnt a D13 either huh

ryan89crx

12-10-2006, 04:30 PM

LOL the d15b and the civic EX d16z6 have the SAME pistons and rodsyou dont know what you are talking about, so lol all you want. maybe do some more research.

and read my previous post. edit your fuicking post if you want to add something, DO NOT post multiple times in a row!

holy fucking shit!! pwnt on your ignorance!!

http://www.d-series.org/forums/showthread.php?t=17840

BLOCK SECTION
Block:11000-P07-800 <--- slightly different than VX
Piston set: 13010-P08-010 <--- unique to d15b vtec
oversize 0.25: 13020-P08-010
oversize 0.50: 13030-P08-010
Ring set : 13011-P08-004
Connecting rod set: 13210-PM6-000
Crankshaft:13310-P08-000 <--- completely unique
Connecting rod bearing A: 13211-PE0-003

GSworks D15B

12-10-2006, 04:35 PM

And where are you pulling this from...do you have a D15B..or taken one apart?
and your "edit" solution doesnt work to well.Regardeless of the "piston code" diffrence, their identical to the p28's. You can puts "p28's" in a D15B block...they have the same rod journals.
They crankshaft is unique because of it has the main journals of a d15b2 but the rod journals of a d16a6....that's "unique"...all D16 OEM p&r's and B18B rods fit the D15B...Your info is halfassed.

k..i figured the "edit"... x_X

ryan89crx

12-10-2006, 04:37 PM

And where are you pulling this from...do you have a D15B..or taken one apart?
and your "edit" solution doesnt work to well.Regardeless of the "piston code" diffrence there are identical to the p28'sread the damn thread. its an official Honda parts list :hammer:

and yes, edit does work. if you continue to not use it, i will restrict your account so you cannot post at all :roll:

please stop talking out your ass. its obvious you like to "sound" smart, but everyone can already tell that you are full of bullshit

K2e2vin

12-10-2006, 04:38 PM

no kidding turbo's are over 100% VE......and if you read the past posting you'd see how i got my figures.

Yea I saw that, which will not work because to use that technique, you have to know how much TORQUE per CFM it is; that means the environment, camming, compression, a/f ratio etc. etc. has to be COMPLETELY the same. Reason being, VE does not directly correlate to HP, but it is a factor. You shit-tune your same engine(change a/f and ign. timing), it'll make less power, but still retain the same VE. You can say that VE is directly correlated to air flow and camming.

K2e2vin

12-10-2006, 04:39 PM

OMG, NO, P28s are taller than P08 pistons. They have a different compression height. I own a D15B and have taken it apart. There's a freakin thread on the differences of the D15B with pics and numbers(don't know if it's on here, but its on sohchonda.com )

GSworks D15B

12-10-2006, 04:43 PM

ryan89crx

12-10-2006, 04:46 PM

ahhhhhh....kevin THE ROD JOURNALS ARE THE SAME...im not say height or anything else....the rod journals are the same..youd figure the p28's are taller seeing how the deck height of the d16 to the d15 is diffrent... and ryan..explain the "edit" i cant get it to work...it says something about administratorhow the fuck do rod journals have anything to do with pistons???????

yes, the d15b shares the same rods as a 1.6, but the pistons are NOT THE SAME as a z6. my info is not half-assed.....yours is just plain bullshit

GSworks D15B

12-10-2006, 04:52 PM

ryan...where are the dish measurments?:bravo:

K2e2vin

12-10-2006, 04:52 PM

ahhhhhh....kevin THE ROD JOURNALS ARE THE SAME...im not say height or anything else....the rod journals are the same..youd figure the p28's are taller seeing how the deck height of the d16 to the d15 is diffrent... and ryan..explain the "edit" i cant get it to work...it says something about administrator...ryan do you have The p28 and p08 dish measurments?

Rod journals don't matter in this conversation. D15B and D16Z6 rods are practically identical, but have different pistons. The pistons are the issue, not the rods. Nobody even brought up rod journals except for you...

ryan89crx

12-10-2006, 04:53 PM

ryan...where are the dish measurments?:bravo:better yet, where are yours? you are the one claiming that 2 different parts with different part numbers are the same....prove it

K2e2vin

12-10-2006, 04:54 PM

ryan...where are the dish measurments?:bravo:

I'm not ryan; but here's info: http://heeltoeauto.com/httech/YaBB.pl?num=1160787887

With colorful pictures to keep your attention!!!

GSworks D15B

12-10-2006, 04:55 PM

kevin....you lost me.....the point is...the D15B....is better...than a ZCvtec...i brought up rod journals when someone said the is no aftermarket support for d15b's...earlier post

ryan...ive read the specs before...the only thing i agree that i didnt explain nor mention was the height diff...which kevin corrected me on

EG8SIR

12-10-2006, 04:58 PM

Ever Driven a ZC Vtec? No Figures. you got any 1/4 times for your precious D15B? or dyno charts cause i have both of my SOHC ZC Vtec

K2e2vin

12-10-2006, 04:59 PM

kevin....you lost me.....the point is...the D15B....is better...than a ZCvtec...i brought up rod journals when someone said the is no aftermarket support for d15b's...earlier post

Nobody contested that(rod journals); that's the point.

GSworks D15B

12-10-2006, 05:00 PM

Pm7 fit in the D15B with a matching rod height....yet in the d16y's they come up short..but p28's dont. Ryan ever ran a D13?

ryan89crx

12-10-2006, 05:01 PM

ryan...ive read the specs before...the only thing i agree that i didnt explain nor mention was the height diff...which kevin corrected me onwhat?!? you have been saying this whole thread that the pistons are the same...
LOL the d15b and the civic EX d16z6 have the SAME pistons and rods.now all of a sudden you are going to act like you knew there were height differences??

:bull:

and what the hell does a d13 have to do with this thread?

GSworks D15B

12-10-2006, 05:01 PM

EG8 i dont have a 1/4 .But you can send me both your timeslip and dyno..

???? ryan yes...i was aware of the height diffrences aswell as the deck height diff. I dont see any more glory in a ZCvtec anymore than a Z6...

ryan89crx

12-10-2006, 05:04 PM

???? ryan yes...i was aware of the height diffrences aswell as the deck height diff. I dont see any more glory in a ZCvtec anymore than a Z6...you are full of shit, simple as that...

GSworks D15B

12-10-2006, 05:04 PM

Same pistons and rods ( as i ealier explained ) i meant the dish and rod big end measurements

K2e2vin

12-10-2006, 05:05 PM

Pm7 fit in the D15B with a matching rod height....yet in the d16y's they come up short..but p28's dont. Ryan ever ran a D13?

The only rods that'll work on that setup is milled and bushed B16 rods or custom rods($$$). They come up only like .040" short(1mm) in a D16, vs. .050" over the deck in a D15B(not to mention the taller dome of the P29/PM7s, which will most likely slam into the head with the stock rods).

EG8SIR

12-10-2006, 05:05 PM

So your gonna come here and brag about all this shit, and not have neither a time slip or a dyno chart? And not only that, not have any fucking clue of what your talking about?

Come on man, your making all D15B owners look bad

GSworks D15B

12-10-2006, 05:06 PM

No,Ryan you are just confused....Dish is the same, rod end is the same...End

ryan89crx

12-10-2006, 05:07 PM

the D15B has the same p&r's and rod journals as the D16z6the d15b and the civic EX d16z6 have the SAME pistons and rodsRegardeless of the "piston code" diffrence, their identical to the p28'soh ya, you knew all along that the pistons were different :roll:

GSworks D15B

12-10-2006, 05:09 PM

its pointless to show you a dyno chart..anyone can pull a dyno chart from the net...so ill save myself the debates on that note..and kevin im running PM7.....so explain how my setup could have possibly worked.EG8 you embarassed yourself claiming you were neck and neck with a h22 coupe..=/

Like i said...Jimmyb34 is the only person worth debating

how do you qoute....?...so i can qoute myself correcting what i meant by "the p28's and d15b P&r's are the same"

ryan89crx

12-10-2006, 05:11 PM

how do you qoute....?...so i can qoute myself correcting what i meant by "the p28's and d15b P&r's are the same"learn how to fucking edit your posts and not post multiple times in a row first...

EG8SIR

12-10-2006, 05:11 PM

Neck and Neck until top of 3rd gear which he then pulled away,

95 Civic Coupe EX, H22 Completely stock intake to exhaust

His best run of the night 15.3 my best run 15.4

K2e2vin

12-10-2006, 05:13 PM

I'd like you to prove you're running PM7s in a D15B VTEC. They work in a D15B2/B7(non VTEC); the Non-VTEC D15s have 134mm rod length while the D15B VTECs have the 137mm rods. Non-VTEC D15 rods don't fit in a VTEC D15B; different BE's.

Only way it would work, is if you're really running a Mini-me and claim its a D15B-VTEC(but really is a D15B1/B2/B7/Bx shortblock with Z6 head), a thick ass HG, or it happened in a fictional story.

GSworks D15B

12-10-2006, 05:13 PM

Ryan my computer is weird like that..ill click post once and it will think i clicked it twice...might be the keys

ryan89crx

12-10-2006, 05:15 PM

or it happened in a fictional story.thats what im leaning towatds...

or, its the d15b vtec-e version, with the 134mm rods and a z6 head. i have one of the vtec-e d15b in my garage

GSworks D15B

12-10-2006, 05:15 PM

you cant use a d15b7/b6/b2 bottom..the crank rod journal is too small. i can send you the picture of my block before it went in my car kevin. And im using a d16y8 head

K2e2vin

12-10-2006, 05:18 PM

No, take off the head, and show me the PM7s.

You can use a D15B*(non-VTEC) shortblock; it's been done before and they're also dubbed "Mini-me". The non-VTEC D15s have the SAME PE(19mm) as other D-series except for the early GX engine(which has the 21mm pin). All this means is you can't swap rods.

GSworks D15B

12-10-2006, 05:21 PM

Thats what i mean kevin...its the block without the head on.
Kevin im using the whole PM7 ...r&p..

K2e2vin

12-10-2006, 05:21 PM

Post it up!

GSworks D15B

12-10-2006, 05:25 PM

ok ...just explain how i do it..im new on this

K2e2vin

12-10-2006, 05:26 PM

Go Advanced; click on Manage attachments. Browse. Upload.

gloryhog

12-10-2006, 05:30 PM

I wanna see your dyno graph ....140 whp d15b N/A...not saying it cant happen . Why are you guys even wasting your time with this pointless bullshit. Hes going to tell you your wrong no matter what...hell get jimmy in here , hes the only one he seems to like!!!!

Go jimmy :TU:

GSworks D15B

12-10-2006, 05:47 PM

d15bpm7.bmp:
The Dimension limits for this filetype are 620 x 280. We were unable to resize your file so you will need to do so manually and upload it again. Your file is currently 640 x 480.

how do i fix this

K2e2vin

12-10-2006, 05:48 PM

open in paint, trim it some, save as jpg

or resize in photoshop

GSworks D15B

12-10-2006, 05:57 PM

d15bpm7.bmp:
Your file of 477.8 KB bytes exceeds the forum's limit of 19.5 KB for this filetype.

ill take a newer picture and post it later

K2e2vin

12-10-2006, 06:03 PM

save it as JPG; JPG is smaller than BMP

GSworks D15B

12-10-2006, 06:05 PM

thats the first one i tried..jpg then converted to bmp...

ryan89crx

12-10-2006, 10:21 PM

www.photobucket.com

GSworks D15B

12-10-2006, 11:35 PM

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p246/GSworks/gsworkd15bxc.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p246/GSworks/gsworkd15bx.jpg

siregcivic

12-11-2006, 01:11 AM

wow... after reading this..

i would always choose a 1.6 over a 1.5 any day of my life.. hell you cant give me a d15b for free.. well you can and ill just sell it..

i dont have a dyno sheet.. but i have a timeslip.. 92 cx hatch STOCK engine stock block stock head cold air intake stock exhaust manifold with hollow cat and 2 1/4 exhaust resinator and muffler d16z6 swap ex trans stage 2 clutch UNTUNED ECU p05 converted to vtec by me chipping kit and b16 basemap provided by xenocron

i ran a 15.15 with a 9.66 1/8 on 185-70-13...shifting at 8500 ON STOCK VALVETRAIN STOCK CAM... yes, im a helluva driver... lol my friend runs 10.6's in his del sol in the 1/8 i run a 10.7 and MISSED THIRD ( ey shit happens )

anyway heres my timeslip
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d69/siregcivic/slip.jpg
the motor.. yes 5 dollar apc plug wires
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d69/siregcivic/themota.jpg
the car
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d69/siregcivic/caltrack.jpg

GSworks D15B

12-11-2006, 01:27 AM

D15B is the only way to go...:bravo:

EF8kid

12-11-2006, 02:38 AM

WOW there is ALLOOTTT of misinformation on this thread. geez!!!

GSworks D15B is such an idiot!!! I feel sorry for him =P

jimmyb34

12-11-2006, 02:50 AM

lol im back... but honestly, you cant get intop any formula or whatever you want.. but show me a 1/4 mile, video, dyno or something.. thats proof to me...
i GUARANTEE my stock block zcvtec will run a mid 14 easily.... before the cam i was running with my buddies crx that hit a best of a 14.3... hed pull maybe 1-2 lengths at speeds that werent reached int he 1/4... and thats with a b16 tranny....
now he has an si eg hatch with a jdm d15b, i/h/e light fly and a street tuned crome pro chipped p28.... like i said before i almost rearended him.. then proceeded to pull on him EASILY....
i mean i bitch and whine about how slow my car is EVERYDAY here.. but its not as slow as i make it out to be.... ive yet to run into a d15b that has given me anything worth mentioning about him keeping up....
imo the bigger the displacement the better, regardless of the rs ratio bullshit....
i rev to ONLY 7800 and could EASILY make another 1.5 k rpms of power if i wasnt a cheap ass and built my head.. and thats on a cam that isnt that wild.. guy i bought it from hit 140 whp on a z6 with it.... with i/h/e only other mods...

K2e2vin

12-11-2006, 04:31 AM

Awesome; proved me wrong. What??? nope. You claim motor is in the car; but that's obviously not in the car. How do I know? Thanks for dating it with my name ;) Two, that proves it sticks out a lot; and your motor isn't even running. Thus you have no proof it works. All you did was install a set of PM7s, claim you're making so so HP; but never even finished putting the motor together.

siregcivic

12-11-2006, 08:03 AM

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d69/siregcivic/gsworkd15bx.jpg

i hope those dont hit the head.... looks like its gonna be close... but i wanna see it run

ryan89crx

12-11-2006, 08:59 AM

GSworks D15B

12-13-2006, 04:12 PM

that WAS the block that was in the car ryan. Two it doesnt make any "contact" with the head. And when i put everything back IN the car i will post vids ( when i find out how ) ,dyno , and timeslips

TurboedEk

12-13-2006, 07:12 PM

Turboek ...i was talking abouT P28 p&r's...not the ecu (chipped)...and i know of cheese frog...and he is not running a turbo ls....He's running a built gsr in his ek with a 60-1...almost the same setup as the blue Eg

I beg to differ, i used to live by him and i still talk to him, my ecu burner is his buddy he should have all the set up shit for his ecu to
he had a ls motor with 25 psi in the videos, now he runs sleeeved block and alot higher psi
Ill look around for the pics i got of his beast from back in the day