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Sinner
10-23-2006, 10:18 PM
Here is my build up on a d15b with TT I beam rods and vitara pistons. Now I dont know the exact static compression.. Ive gotten alot of different answers maybe someone will know for sure. I belive its 9+:1 because the motor feels close to stock power. I did not have to notch the block.


#4 piston got a hole from the turbo blowing oil.

http://tullostechdownloads.hypermart.net/pics/rebuild/melted-small.JPG caused my my turbo blowing oil into my motor.

I bought some TT rods and virtara pistons while back which I had on a 1.6, but the 1.5 was in such great shape that I tore down the 1.6 and took the internals for the 1.5. I dont know what kinda static compression I'm getting, but I'm guessing its altleast 9.1:1

I had to buy a damn electrinc impact wrench, but it does work good.

http://tullostechdownloads.hypermart.net/pics/rebuild/impact-small.JPG

I went ahead and replaced the timing belt, bearings well 3 of them.

http://tullostechdownloads.hypermart.net/pics/rebuild/belts-small.JPG


I rebuilt the motor in less than a day so I did cut alot of corners so my isnt block ane engine bay didnt get cleaned from the blow out.

http://tullostechdownloads.hypermart.net/pics/rebuild/block-small.JPG

the sad part is, I get can a motor together in a day, but I cant rebuild a turbo nor find a replacement in a day.. so I had to go back to NA

http://tullostechdownloads.hypermart.net/pics/rebuild/NA-sucks-small.JPG


I've put about 50 miles on the motor so far. I'll post some more pics later. BTW a 1.5 NA blows in a teg.. I got to get my a new turbo ASAP!

Nick
ryan89crx
10-23-2006, 10:22 PM
what car is this in?

looks like a cool build. mad underdog smokin people with the 1.5 :wink:
superdewey58
10-23-2006, 10:29 PM
how did u blow it exactly?
Dweezil
10-23-2006, 10:33 PM
Nice, just ran it on the calculator from Zeal Auto Works and it comes up at 9.18:1. Through some boost at that and it'll be sweet.
transzex
10-24-2006, 12:30 AM
what numbers did you enter?????????

FEAR A D15 with 30-35 psi.
Dweezil
10-24-2006, 01:00 AM
He's not boosted currently, so I went with 0
Sinner
10-24-2006, 10:02 AM
how did u blow it exactly?

15lb on a stock d15b for a while.. my turbo finally blew causing spraying oil on my pistons which caught on fire and melted my #4 pistons. It happened so quickly that I just get driving to work, but I still drove it home afterwords. I bet if I would have pulled the #4 plug that I could have driving longer.

Basically I broke my motor on a thrusday and I need the car on the road my monday. I had these parts so I made it work.

I'm very curious about the static compression though

Nick
slebidia
10-24-2006, 10:03 AM
Good info. I'm planning on the same build soon.
B20BbenN
10-24-2006, 10:23 AM
I did not have to notch the block.


WOW nice to know:TU:

That's what I want to do: D15B+vitaras+eagle/tt+boost!
What knid of turbo you'll be using on your D15B ?
Dweezil
10-24-2006, 10:27 AM
15lb on a stock d15b for a while.. my turbo finally blew causing spraying oil on my pistons which caught on fire and melted my #4 pistons. It happened so quickly that I just get driving to work, but I still drove it home afterwords. I bet if I would have pulled the #4 plug that I could have driving longer.

Basically I broke my motor on a thrusday and I need the car on the road my monday. I had these parts so I made it work.

I'm very curious about the static compression though

Nick

Static comes out to 9.18:1 and effictive is about 18.55:1 useing 15psi as your boost pressure. With a good tune, you should be able to bump that up a little and really scream
Sinner
10-24-2006, 02:15 PM
Static comes out to 9.18:1 and effictive is about 18.55:1 useing 15psi as your boost pressure. With a good tune, you should be able to bump that up a little and really scream


How did you get the information on the pistons? How big is that dish? What software are you using?


I'm thinking about going with a GT28RS or something similiar. I'd like to feel the difference between BB and standard bearings.

Nick
superdewey58
10-24-2006, 02:20 PM
15lbs and it was the turbo that killed you. that sucks

good luck
lsturbohatch10
10-24-2006, 02:27 PM
WOW nice to know:TU:

That's what I want to do: D15B+vitaras+eagle/tt+boost!
What knid of turbo you'll be using on your D15B ?

remember that he used i beams. not h beams. im trying to trade my ls swap for a d15b lsd swap and 1000.
Dweezil
10-24-2006, 02:35 PM
How did you get the information on the pistons? How big is that dish? What software are you using?


I'm thinking about going with a GT28RS or something similiar. I'd like to feel the difference between BB and standard bearings.

Nick

Compression calculator! (http://www.zealautowerks.com/dseries.html)

GT28RS on that would be a sweet setup, but nowhere near enough to risk blowing the motor again.
SupraRXZ
10-24-2006, 05:43 PM
where did you get those parts from? whats the site? I got a d15b motor layin in my garage and Im planning on building it a bit before dropping it in with a turbo


the d15b motor accepts d16z6 internals? so i can just buy z6 internals and it would work with a d15b motor?
Dweezil
10-24-2006, 05:49 PM
The rods come from Tuner Toys (a site sponser) and the pistons and rings come from fjt (I think thats right) on here.
CrazyConscious
10-24-2006, 05:51 PM
What does the background color of that compression calculator mean?
Dweezil
10-24-2006, 05:54 PM
My guess is it's like a stop light; green means go, yellow means caution, and red means STOP OR DIE! Black seems to mean "What the hell's wrong with you?"
Dweezil
10-24-2006, 05:55 PM
the d15b motor accepts d16z6 internals? so i can just buy z6 internals and it would work with a d15b motor?

Only works with the JDM D15B VTEC, every other D15 has smaller rod journals.
CrazyConscious
10-24-2006, 05:57 PM
My guess is it's like a stop light; green means go, yellow means caution, and red means STOP OR DIE! Black seems to mean "What the hell's wrong with you?"

Mine came out blue?
Dweezil
10-24-2006, 05:59 PM
What did you put in, I've never seen that!
Sinner
10-24-2006, 06:06 PM
What did you put in, I've never seen that!

97 GS-R of course :shocked:

before
http://www.latech.edu/~njt002/car/teg/emptyteg.jpg

after

http://www2.latech.edu/~njt002/car/seat/gsr-front-corner.JPG

I picked it up for 200 bones, but it had to be rebuilt. It has a black leather interior and semi-flat black paint job with a nice mp3 player sound system. It gets the job done and I built it to exactly the way I wanted.

Nick
CrazyConscious
10-24-2006, 06:11 PM
What did you put in, I've never seen that!

If your talking to me i put in:
D16 Block
D16 Crank
D16Z6 Head
Vitara Pistons
D16 Connecting Rods
D16Y8/Z6 Headgasket
18psi
Dweezil
10-24-2006, 06:12 PM
That's what I was looking for, but talk about night and day conversions on the GS-R.
Dweezil
10-24-2006, 06:14 PM
If your talking to me i put in:
D16 Block
D16 Crank
D16Z6 Head
Vitara Pistons
D16 Connecting Rods
D16Y8/Z6 Headgasket
18psi


Yep, I got a blue screen also. could be because you end up with a 8.13:1 CR.
CrazyConscious
10-24-2006, 06:15 PM
Yep, I got a blue screen also. could be because you end up with a 8.13:1 CR.

oh...well, i'll be doing it either way, i was just wondering
DreaMer
10-24-2006, 06:26 PM
Im kinda confused, you have a d15 in a GSR?...
Dweezil
10-24-2006, 06:27 PM
Why not, if the engine was on the way out, or gone, just throw a cheap D in instead of shelling out for a replacement B.
ryan89crx
10-24-2006, 06:49 PM
Im kinda confused, you have a d15 in a GSR?...yes
Sinner
10-24-2006, 07:06 PM
Why not, if the engine was on the way out, or gone, just throw a cheap D in instead of shelling out for a replacement B.

The teg was a drag car as you can see from the fuel cell in the rear of the car.


I've always wanted a DC2, but I never found one for the right price. When I ran across this basket case for $200, I had to jump on it. After getting this car for very cheap, I didnt want to put any money into this car. What I did was strip my del sol's suspension/wheels/strut bar/radio/motor/tranny/turbo/misc parts and put it on this car just to get it on the road. I sold my stripped del sol shell for 1500. Finding black leather interior was a chore, but I really like it. I built this car from scratch. Installing the AC was the hardest part. It has all teg AC parts with a civic compressor. I live in the dirty south so I must have AC.

This is a very original car. I dont think anyone has anything like it. I'm not saying my car will ever be fast, but it will be exactly what I want from it. So people hate the idea of a D in a gsr, but I dont care. I love my car!

Nick
Dweezil
10-24-2006, 07:09 PM
I'm going to guess that up to this point, it cost you next to nothing after selling the Sol shell.
Sinner
10-24-2006, 07:28 PM
I'm going to guess that up to this point, it cost you next to nothing after selling the Sol shell.

yea I made a few dollars.. until now. It seems that the turbo is going to put me over the 1400. Oh well.


http://www2.latech.edu/~njt002/car/seat/interior.JPG Here is an interior shot. The red box is my Tullos Tech Electronic Boost Controller, you guys might have heard of them. I designed it and I'm currently selling them.
Dweezil
10-24-2006, 07:40 PM
Is that a bent R32 GTS-T wheel in the back ground?
B20BbenN
10-25-2006, 11:34 AM
remember that he used i beams. not h beams. im trying to trade my ls swap for a d15b lsd swap and 1000.

Ahhhh your right, I didn't saw the I beam :hammer:
Sinner
10-25-2006, 01:02 PM
Is that a bent R32 GTS-T wheel in the back ground?

Nah, its a bent miata wheel from my mother-in-laws car.
superdewey58
10-25-2006, 03:27 PM
d powered teg, thats pretty cool
hondalover22
10-25-2006, 09:42 PM
Hows the "I beams" working for you?
turboedpickup
10-26-2006, 06:52 PM
thread jack - possibly - d15b vtec rods as strong as d16z6 rods? stock for stock - or say... d15b vtec rods are stronger than d15b7 rods?
Dweezil
10-26-2006, 06:54 PM
D15B VTEC roda are D16Z6 rods. Same as A6, Y8, ZC, Y7, or every other D16 rod.
d16z6nitro
10-28-2006, 10:02 AM
Very nice be good to see some numbers once uve put A tubby back on.

Props for doing it in 1 day as well.
Joe
11-01-2006, 01:34 PM
so the vitaras stick .010" out of the hole ? .25 mm

will this be a problem?
Dibble
11-01-2006, 10:47 PM
Hey, whats up Nick. :D
transzex
11-02-2006, 12:13 AM
so the vitaras stick .010" out of the hole ? .25 mm

will this be a problem?


.018-.020...........
sxy_rexi
11-02-2006, 01:56 AM
My guess is it's like a stop light; green means go, yellow means caution, and red means STOP OR DIE! Black seems to mean "What the hell's wrong with you?"

hahahaa lol. sorry for the late reply.. but yea this is funny :)
Joe
11-04-2006, 11:25 AM
42.25+137+28=207.25

is this correct for the vitaras?

207 mm deck height for d15 correct?

out of the hole= .25 mm (.010")

isn't this right bone? Or is the compression height for the vitaras not 28mm?
commandoBear
11-04-2006, 01:53 PM
i plan on using the same setup in the near future, cant beat the price.
superdewey58
11-06-2006, 01:30 PM
did u have to have the rods machened to fit in the pistons
?
Sinner
11-06-2006, 04:16 PM
I now have about 250-300 miles on the motor without any problems so far.

Man, I took a brake honer from sears and honed the rods to fit pistons. Like I said, i built this motor in a day. I took some short cuts.

Nick
AJxr
11-06-2006, 04:37 PM
your the man, built d15 in a teg. i love it.
Sinner
11-06-2006, 04:39 PM
here is the compression numbers.

#1 = 170
#2 = 170
#3 = 171
#4 = 175
transzex
11-06-2006, 10:47 PM
your complaining?

perfect!!!!!!!!!
drunkinmaster1
11-07-2006, 05:47 AM
im loving it. a d series teggy runnig with a vitara d15b. youre going to surprize quite a few people if you ever pop the hood after you kill them. single cam vitara turbod integra. theyll be like:shocked: :wtf:
mad props man!! we need more pics of it installed.
Sinner
11-07-2006, 12:54 PM
your complaining?



No, I'm very happy with those numbers. I'm just posting them for a reference incase anyone was wondering. This entire post is basically a reference for people thinking about doing this build-up.

Nick
95 R-81 Cx
11-07-2006, 01:07 PM
What's the thickness of the HG your running?
Sinner
11-08-2006, 12:58 PM
What's the thickness of the HG your running?

I'm using 3 layer z6 headgasket
Joe
11-09-2006, 12:42 PM
good job man
bense
11-11-2006, 02:23 PM
:-)
bense
11-11-2006, 02:54 PM
remember that he used i beams. not h beams. im trying to trade my ls swap for a d15b lsd swap and 1000.

what's the difference? I thought TT rods were H-beams?
lsturbohatch10
11-11-2006, 06:49 PM
TT also makes I beams. the I beams are a different style. i think you have to special order them or recieve them by mistake.
Bizzar
11-11-2006, 08:20 PM
Speaking of the tellos tech, I need to ship mine back to you Sinner. I still have the Gen1 thats never been used. I havent checked in awhile are the new versions ready to go?
93_DelSol
11-12-2006, 10:19 AM
I wanna know, I would like to bulid my JDM D15b vtec. How you can get them to work without running into problems hitting the valves??
bense
11-14-2006, 08:11 AM
TT also makes I beams. the I beams are a different style. i think you have to special order them or recieve them by mistake.

ohh, shit. I guess the h-beams are stronger?
moozregie
03-14-2007, 07:37 AM
back from the dead...
just wanted to bump this thread in support !
bones hint to me months ago to use the vitaras in my d15 build is finally setting in...
finding this thread is the clincher for me
there are no other pistons for the d15 for boost..unless you use stock...
the supra piston option loses rod length and r/s ratio...
endyn told me to gtfo for customs...still waiting to hear back from wiseco...
hope she is still running good...and hope to be there with ya soon...

p.s.
i'm a d.series gsr as well...
:twisted:
will be a great chassis for 250+whp
JDMCRX88
03-14-2007, 01:19 PM
d in a teg good idea. just to get it up and running.
EGhatchintheham
03-14-2007, 07:22 PM
I am going to be building my D15B this summer but i'll be going with the h-beam rods so there will be some block notching goin on. This is good info though...rep for you.
Drag_S14
03-14-2007, 08:55 PM
back from the dead...
just wanted to bump this thread in support !
bones hint to me months ago to use the vitaras in my d15 build is finally setting in...
finding this thread is the clincher for me
there are no other pistons for the d15 for boost..unless you use stock...
the supra piston option loses rod length and r/s ratio...
endyn told me to gtfo for customs...still waiting to hear back from wiseco...
hope she is still running good...and hope to be there with ya soon...

p.s.
i'm a d.series gsr as well...
:twisted:

will be a great chassis for 250+whp


WTF do you have a GSR with a D15???
hondalover22
03-14-2007, 09:53 PM
WTF do you have a GSR with a D15???

YES
Drag_S14
03-14-2007, 10:20 PM
May I ask, why???
EGhatchintheham
03-14-2007, 11:21 PM
May I ask, why???

I would think it's because of that reason right there...no one expects it. Isn't that the reason we stick the D-series anyway, b/c it's the underdog and the victories are that much more sweet?
SinisterCRX
03-14-2007, 11:24 PM
Sinner is all over ze internets :haha:

looks good man
Drag_S14
03-14-2007, 11:28 PM
I dunno, I don't think there is any way I would get rid of a GSR engine in favor of a D15B. 180hp vs 125hp, about 20+ ft/lbs of torque, much stronger transmission, etc. I have a 94 EX, with a D15B, and plan on turbocharging it, but only because it will be a lot cheaper than a swap. But if I had an Integra, there is no way I'd rip the GSR out in favor of a D-series...
transzex
03-14-2007, 11:44 PM
May I ask, why???

Why not?


Vitaras and TT rods good for 400 whp at decent compression, might even iron out 450 whp.......

from a puny SOHC in a Teg chassis :)

Spank a neon's ass and lift the hood.......

FUCKING PRICELESS!!!!!!!!!

You've been SOHCowend!
flatfourfan
03-15-2007, 04:33 AM
May I ask, why???

It's called working with what you have...............
hondalover22
03-15-2007, 10:49 AM
It's called working with what you have...............

True, Very True
fjt
03-15-2007, 12:07 PM
In other countries (JDM Market or Europe) some Integras dont come with DOHC Motors..I saw a lot of 96+ Integras in Jamaica with sohc motors on them from the factory... Its just not common for us..
moozregie
03-15-2007, 05:04 PM
yes sir
it started as the xsi model in jdm land
in '93 it became the zxi
and if you look around...they have been making 4wd zc integras since yes...
wait for it....
1993 >>>> 2000

here's the 93 zxi...
came only in 4dr integras...zc motorvated...dc1 or db8 chassis
http://www.honda.co.jp/HOT/ModelData/integra/94it3-ka-305/index.html

here's the 4WD
http://www.honda.co.jp/HOT/ModelData/integra/94it4-ka-307/index.html

you can translate these pages on google
http://www.honda.co.jp/HOT/ModelData/integra/94it4-ka-307/index.html
punch the addresses in bitches
lol

stacey at tuner toys just told me the i.beams are special order
$250 plus shipping...rarely in stock...
i'll say this...at least 1 order is coming in...lol
bump and oh...
page 2 ftmfw
Speedjunky01
03-15-2007, 05:15 PM
so any news on what will and wont work with the d15b for pistons?
moozregie
03-15-2007, 05:23 PM
yes...HUGE NEWS...
they are called ::: VITARA PISTONS :::
lol
Speedjunky01
03-15-2007, 05:25 PM
yes...HUGE NEWS...
they are called ::: VITARA PISTONS :::
lol

no I know about vitaras lol, but after reading many other threads some people said they would stick out a bit.

Im wondering if he had to mod anything to make them not stick out...
moozregie
03-15-2007, 05:46 PM
well maybe he will stop in and update us...
but the post says its just the 3.layer z6/y8 hg...
i dont know if he is revving up over 7200 or not
Speedjunky01
03-15-2007, 05:48 PM
so a stock gasket??? ok...

I wont be building my d15b any time soon but im collecting parts for the future.
EGhatchintheham
03-15-2007, 08:29 PM
You can buy cometic headgaskets in all different thicknesses and they will probably be better than the stock y8.
ek-tsohcvtec
04-29-2007, 09:58 PM
You can buy cometic headgaskets in all different thicknesses and they will probably be better than the stock y8.


Not sure about you guys but I keep on getting 9.83:1 with the Vitaras on the D15b with stock y8 head gasket. Im looking to do this build but I am really looking for a 9.1:1 C/R instead of what I am getting, I am considering on getting a Cometic HG if 9.83:1 is correct. With a .060 thick gasket I get 9.3:1 much better and willing to go with this. Anyone think I am calculating this the wrong way.
kesnut@yahoo.com
06-13-2007, 11:32 AM
ok so let me get this clear
i have a D15B JDM Black Top motor.
i am looking to put in some Vitara Pistons, Eagle rods and 18psi of boost...
i am good with this?
SupraRXZ
06-13-2007, 12:05 PM
ok so let me get this clear
i have a D15B JDM Black Top motor.
i am looking to put in some Vitara Pistons, Eagle rods and 18psi of boost...
i am good with this?

black top? theres a red top?
sounds like your talking about sr20's lol
turboprelude95
06-13-2007, 12:49 PM
black top? theres a red top?
sounds like your talking about sr20's lol

hahaha lol, and to the one that bump it, psi is irrevelant because every turbo is different. Search button is the answer to all your questions:TU:
kesnut@yahoo.com
06-13-2007, 01:35 PM
don't you get ban for saying "sr**" lol....

i have a VTi comes with a d15B single stage Vtec motor (valve cover is black), and i know most of you know the 3 stage Vtec motor (silver valve cover), the two motors are more or less the same.
so i am hoping the Vitaras work, as i was looking at getting SRP
the turbo is a gt28