Engen building...?!?!?!?

[©urbow]

OK, i have made a few threads about this. I am new to building. I am wanting to get as close to 300whp as i can. here are the other threads i have posted....

Me wondering what turbo to use:
http://www.d-series.org/forums/showthread.php?t=53450

Asking about Vitara pistons:
http://www.d-series.org/forums/showthread.php?t=53449

Here are my million questions....
I am also wondering about rods. Could i go with TT or should i use Eagle?
What about bearings? what kind?
Now what about the head? i was just thinking about using stock valves and maybe a valve job done if i do what kind?
Also what cam and cam gear?
What fuel pump?
What oil pump?
What kind of turbo many? top mount, ram horn, full race?

I think that covers everything if i have left something out for me to reach my goal just let me know. oh and BTW I'm not sure what amount of boost to run. i was thinking 15 or so?.?.?.?

I know this is a bunch of questions but i figured i would just make one thread with everything than making 10 different. I will keep searching so nobody needs to tell me how to use the search feature haha. I'm not a total noob. Just new to fully building a motor.

Thanks in advance.
-Michael

[CrazyConscious]

Good idea making just one thread. What are your plans for getting it tuned?

[©urbow]

I plan on using what i have now. my P28 with crome.

Oh BTW I should have posted this up before. I am building a y7 block z6 head combo.

[91civic4drboy]

im a lil new to this stuff to but i was reading on honda tech about guy tat had 425whp and stock head so i would say that you dont have to build it if you dont want to..........

[ryan89crx]

Here are my million questions....
I am also wondering about rods. Could i go with TT or should i use Eagle?
What about bearings? what kind?
Now what about the head? i was just thinking about using stock valves and maybe a valve job done if i do what kind?
Also what cam and cam gear?
What fuel pump?
What oil pump?
What kind of turbo many? top mount, ram horn, full race?go with the TT rods, they are cheap and made by the same company as Eagle
use Honda bearings, you can get your clearances PERFECT with them
for the head, new valve seals and a 3-angle valve job is about all you need. stock heads can make good power
cam is usually up to your preference. like said before, stock heads have made 400+
go with the Walbro 255lph high volume, low pressure. it supports upwards of 600hp :TU:
OEM Honda oil pump is best
for turbo mani, i would say either a drag, drag knockoff, or mini-ram. all have been proven to make excellent power. shit even log manis have made tons of power, and provide faster spool than tubulars

[©urbow]

thanks for the info....

I want to get a cam and cam gear more for power. i dont want to have to push the boost even more. i figure a little head work would help me reach my goal with out pushing the motor AS hard. even if its not a lot.

[©urbow]

anybody else have some input?

[mindless]

OK, i have made a few threads about this. I am new to building. I am wanting to get as close to 300whp as i can. here are the other threads i have posted....

Me wondering what turbo to use:
http://www.d-series.org/forums/showthread.php?t=53450

Asking about Vitara pistons:
http://www.d-series.org/forums/showthread.php?t=53449

Here are my million questions....
I am also wondering about rods. Could i go with TT or should i use Eagle?
What about bearings? what kind?
Now what about the head? i was just thinking about using stock valves and maybe a valve job done if i do what kind?
Also what cam and cam gear?
What fuel pump?
What oil pump?
What kind of turbo many? top mount, ram horn, full race?

I think that covers everything if i have left something out for me to reach my goal just let me know. oh and BTW I'm not sure what amount of boost to run. i was thinking 15 or so?.?.?.?

I know this is a bunch of questions but i figured i would just make one thread with everything than making 10 different. I will keep searching so nobody needs to tell me how to use the search feature haha. I'm not a total noob. Just new to fully building a motor.

Thanks in advance.
-Michael


1. TT rods ftw IMO!

2. I used ACL's because my crank had to be ground. Plastigauging revealed
consistent and appropriate bearing clearances. Some will say use OEM or
clevite. In the end the choice is up to you. Whatever you choose be sure
to plastigauge the bearings prior to final assembling.

3. My head is stock. Stock valvetrain w/ 3 angle valve job. Milled 0.020".

4. I wouldn't bother w/ a cam IMO. This is a turbo build correct? Just turn the
boost up! Waste of money for a boosted build IMO.

5. Walbro

6. OEM

7. Since $$$ is a huge factor for me I would probably use a log or a nice cast
manifold like Ryan said.

[©urbow]

What HP #'s are you putting down?

[©urbow]

So if i just build the block with pistons, rods and bearings. and maybe do a 3 angle valve job should i be able to hit 300whp?

[siregcivic]

vtec is overrated.... im using a z6 block with a y8 head and a big enough vtec cam that it pulls harder on the low cam then it does on the high cam.. so i run with a check engine light and the solinoid unplugged...

anyway... lol sorry theres a guy on ht making 400hp on stock block stock head using tt rods *i believe* and vitara pistons... if you build the bottom end right it should scream dont skimp out on the bearings you use and checking the clearances

[mindless]

What HP #'s are you putting down?

Me...lol....none yet. My engine is in and runs but I need axles, shift linkage, and rotors for it to be driveable and money (more precisely the lack thereof) just hasn't allowed me to work on it recently. It's getting cold here anyway so she'll probably sit until it warms back up.

Yeah with just rods and pistons you have the potential to hit 300whp. You just need the right turbo.

[©urbow]

cool..... now the big question is what turbo to use...

I don't want any crazy lines. i want them nice and smooth.

[Dweezil]

Garrett GT28RS or MHI "EVO III" large TD05-16G

[©urbow]

After reading this thread...
http://www.d-series.org/forums/showthread.php?t=36288
I an wondering if i should use the Z6 head. I have an extra y7 head laying around also. Will i have just as low compression with the y7 head? I have no clue where this is going. the ONLY reason i was gonna use the vtec head is because so many people say they they flow better.....REMEMBER, I'M SHOOTING FOR 300WHP.

Thoughts on this?

[Dweezil]

Y7 head is just a Z6 head with out VTEC as far as I know.

[©urbow]

anybody else?

[drunkinmaster1]

use what you got. do not worry about v-tak. if you have a y8 and youre gonna boost it, it whouldnt even matter.
if you have a y8 or z6 head then thats fine too. 300 hp is easily attainable with any of those heads. the flow of the heads will vary only slightly.
imo, go with whats cheapest. find an a6 head, port and polish it. thatll outflow v-tak anyday.
if you have a y7 head, do the same.
300 hp shouldnt even be a problem without a p&p

[©urbow]

the thing is.... i am using a y7 block. I have both a y7 and z6 head laying around. i can use either one. I am just wondering what will be better for boost and give me the lowest compression. Vtec or no vtec, dont care.

[©urbow]

anybody else have some input on this y7 or z6 head thing?

[drunkinmaster1]

y7 block will do fine. its the same as the y8 block except the y8 has a knock sensor. you can use either the y7 or z6 head, not much differance except that damn vtak. i have a y8 block with a z6 head and it works just fine. only thing with the y7,y8 blocks are that they are obd2. theyre going to need an obd2 oil-pump because the z6 block (obd1) has the dipstick in the block, unlike the obd2 wich has the dipstick in the oilpump. theres no dipstick hole in obd2 blocks.
thats where the oilpump mod comes in handy from energy dynamics. the obd2 oilpumps dont flow as well as the z6 oilpump. this is the reason why y7 and y8 motors are known for spun bearrings. doing the oilpump mod will improve the flowrate. shimming it will increase pressure as well.
btw, this mixing heads with blocks is commonly called a " mini-me '' motor.
heres the link for the oil-pump mods and other d-series buiding tips if i havent given it to you yet.
read up, and learn from the old one

[©urbow]

link?

I know about mini me setups and all that jazz. I might be acting like it but I'm not a total noob. Just new to engine building. I just want to make sure i do the best setup as possible the first time around and hit my power goals. I appreciate all the help on this just pleas hang in there with me and try to look past my ignorance haha..... I'm learning

BTW, I'm not just asking a bunch of questions to get the EZ way out. I'm searching and reading first.

[drunkinmaster1]

nothing wrong with asking questions.
it really doesnt take that much to get 300 hp out of a d series.
the things that really hold it back the most are the rods and pistons.
arp headstuds prevent the head to lift. and thats all i got. tranny is a differant story though.

[©urbow]

ok.

Now to move on about that tranny...

My y7 tranny should hold up to the 300hp shouldn't it? yes i know you are gonna say get a y8 tranny but that will be later. lets talk about the y7 tranny for now haha.

[©urbow]

Bumpin it......it's worth a try.

[©urbow]

ok.

Now to move on about that tranny...

My y7 tranny should hold up to the 300hp shouldn't it? yes i know you are gonna say get a y8 tranny but that will be later. lets talk about the y7 tranny for now haha.

/\ /\ /\ Still wondering about that.......

But on to another one.....

for only 300hp will i have to do any engine management or can i just keep my p28 w/crome? i know i have seen them hold up to over 400hp.

Alos will i have to do anything crazy with the map censor like a 3 stage? i dont want to if i dont have to. I'm trying to make this as straightforward as i can. Just drop in, tune, and go.

[©urbow]

lets try this....

BUMP