Cold Air Intake in the rainy season?

[Lotek]

Alrighty, ive got a CAI, filter is under the bumper, and it gets damn soaked!

i live in Missouri and the fall and winter tend to be pretty wet. Is this an issue? my sister's partner used to have a super low prelude and hit a 4" puddle(the car was lowered to about 2" or somethign near that.) and it sucked a buncha water into the engine and nearly destroyed it.

Now my civic isnt low, but every time it rains(which has been 2 times so far since i had the cai and not just short ram on it) the filter gets sopping wet.

Is this an issue? and should i change it out for my old ram air for the rainy months?


Also, my sister mentioned something about intake water traps? she wasnt sure if they were around but had heard a few people mention them before. anyone know anything about these?

[ryan89crx]

take the bottom half off and run a short ram. better safe than sorry

[MyblkVTEC]

take the bottom half off and run a short ram. better safe than sorry

X1

[CrazyConscious]

if the filter is alwayready getting soaked, i'd be worried about it everytime its wet outside...Just go with a short ram year round

[Dweezil]

my sister's partner

Just because I'm that guy, but you don't have to answer, business or, ummm, "other"?
Even though it's absoluetly none of my concern, at all.

[modsHXcivi]

Do what Ryan said ....you can alwaydo SRWRA...short ram with ram air .... click the link
http://www.d-series.org/forums/showthread.php?t=18496

Front bumper after inlet was drilled and piped...
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y51/mods/Picture288.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y51/mods/Picture294.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y51/mods/Picture298.jpg
Filter sits right in here....:TU: air box is still in the works[/QUOTE]

[k1dfreeze]

SRWRA??? is that like a gun club?

[Lotek]

its not wet all the time, i mean its soaked when it rains(its been raining all day so its wet now)

i like the idea of the semi-piped warm-ish intake. i may toy with it, but for now ill just just it as close to codl air as i can(not that it really matters that much in all honesty)

[modsHXcivi]

SRWRA??? is that like a gun club?

LoL!!!:haha:

[Lotek]

Do you think a bumper inlet like that(nice work btw) would retard enough of the water? I assume most(read: all) of my water issue is due to splash, and water flung off the wheel up onto it. I may try to fab some kidn of makeshift sheild and run it for a day to see if the water is primarily jsut coming off the wheel.

By the way, thanks for the help guys.(and sexy stealth job)

[gloryhog]

Do you think a bumper inlet like that(nice work btw) would retard enough of the water? I assume most(read: all) of my water issue is due to splash, and water flung off the wheel up onto it. I may try to fab some kidn of makeshift sheild and run it for a day to see if the water is primarily jsut coming off the wheel.

By the way, thanks for the help guys.(and sexy stealth job)

thats what I did...Found me a piece of stainless sheetmetal and bent it to fit around all of the sides except the front....it works perfect and wont rust...just make sure to bolt it down to the frame or something so that it does not make noise...

[Lotek]

hm. I think ill try that tomorow. I need to do something about the sheilding anyway because the plasic shit grinds if the wheel is turned hard(really bad in reverse >.<)

[CrazyConscious]

Do what Ryan said ....you can alwaydo SRWRA...short ram with ram air .... click the link
http://www.d-series.org/forums/showthread.php?t=18496

Where did you get the ring thats in your font bumper where you drilled the hole. I've wanted to do this fora while but cant find a ring like that

[Lotek]

I've seen ones just like that for porting open sub boxes, and something else which i cannot remember, but i had them in my possesion once for that reason...

[CrazyConscious]

I've seen ones just like that for porting open sub boxes, and something else which i cannot remember, but i had them in my possesion once for that reason...

I'm thinking i might need to go look at home depot for a light trim piece...

[modsHXcivi]

Yes its a speaker port....

[Hellhatch]

Change it to a short ran in the rainy months.

[CrazyConscious]

Yes its a speaker port....

Thanks, found them on e-bay for a couple bux

[spool'nsol]

aww hell, im doing this for my turbo now, so everyone can hear the super loud spool :D

[superdewey58]

sucking up water is never good... not worth it

[elisium]

dont they have bypass valves or something for CAI's

[spool'nsol]

yeah it goes right where your two pieces meet together. sucks the air through it if theres water in the filter

[sl@sh]

about CAI on rainy seasons,

i run a CAI for almost a year now, its bin on really hard rains, on hiways ,in city driving, etc...

drove more than 3 times thru a flooded road with water reaching about 4-5inches of water, my car is dropped too...

my eg hatch doesnt have foglights on the bumper but it is cut out to let in fresh air for the cai,

i think what people should be worried about is, about the fenderliners, clips, and the fenderliners overall ability to keep splash's out of the filter, theres a reason why we have fender liners under our fenders, when i installed my CAI i bought new fenderliners and new clips juz to be on the safe side...
i know this myt not work for everyone but

im just sharing my real time experiences with a CAI, yes all my friends say im crazy driving it how i drive it, but i guess its either im driving with common sense or they'r just saying im crazy based on their second hand hear say info's

i do think CAI is nuthin to worry about when driving in rains, juz as long as we drive with common sense..

HtH

[Misfit]

about CAI on rainy seasons,

i run a CAI for almost a year now, its bin on really hard rains, on hiways ,in city driving, etc...

drove more than 3 times thru a flooded road with water reaching about 4-5inches of water, my car is dropped too...

my eg hatch doesnt have foglights on the bumper but it is cut out to let in fresh air for the cai,

i think what people should be worried about is, about the fenderliners, clips, and the fenderliners overall ability to keep splash's out of the filter, theres a reason why we have fender liners under our fenders, when i installed my CAI i bought new fenderliners and new clips juz to be on the safe side...
i know this myt not work for everyone but

im just sharing my real time experiences with a CAI, yes all my friends say im crazy driving it how i drive it, but i guess its either im driving with common sense or they'r just saying im crazy based on their second hand hear say info's

i do think CAI is nuthin to worry about when driving in rains, juz as long as we drive with common sense..

HtH


im gonna have to agree with him, my CAI could drown my motor tomorrow, but i think as long as you dont raise hell in the rain and try to hit every puddle at full throttle you should be ok.

[Lotek]

cool beans. im gunna see what i can do about the sheilding tomorow before class. The stock plastic cover is all torn up from running over a chain fence, and me cutting peices off. i need to get a 45 elbo and not a straight pipe before the 90 to my filter cause it sticks down the hole too steep and pushes the plastic into the tire tread. it makes a lovley sound ;]

im not too worried about hitting a huge puddle(the roads are pretty good here, i only dodged one of em today), im more worried about the filter being soaked and it mabye saturating the air with water vapor/particles, or starving the engine due to decreased air flow. I will do the sheilding tho, i know one day ill be puttering along and forget to go around a small ocean.

offtopic: is there any real reason to put one of the little filters on? i know if you dont have the line running the waste back into the engine, it spits out smog, but is ther any real gain from it? im fine with the lil tube i got now, and id rather not have my car bleeding off smog for no reason.

[workinprog]

aem makes a bypass valve showed it at the sema show was hooked up to a sop vac and the filter was submerged in a 10 gallon aquaruim and it sucked up zero water

[sl@sh]

the aem bypass valve ruins any tuned length benefit u could have with a CAI, so its juz like running a short ram if using a bypass valve...

also to add.. my custom CAI was made thru cutting and welding 3 different intake pipes the finished product looks like every other cai, except it was mocked up and welded together, i dont have a filter beneath the fender

i juz use a velocity stack wrapped in stockings for filter, yes no hydrolock for me hehehe

[Lotek]

sweet, thanks for the info, they are pretty moderatly priced. tho i may have to be a wanker and look on ebay.

the aem bypass valve ruins any tuned length benefit u could have with a CAI, so its juz like running a short ram if using a bypass valve...

could you elaborate please?

[sl@sh]

search on dyno's of a cai versus a shortram, i think transex still has them,

longer intake tract was what made the famous "AEM" hump in power in the midrange, tuned intake length, now with an aem bupass valve it eliminates any chance of benifiting from the longer intake tract,

[workinprog]

stockings like nylon stocking?

[workinprog]

yea i know the bypass valve kills air flow but its better than sucking up water but i guess thats why i stuck with the sri

[sl@sh]

stockings like black stockings for ladies hahaha

they look like /function like , velocity stack booties hehe

yeah i think thats nylon stockings, hehe bin running it like this since i put my custom CAI, and bfor the CAI i ran my shortram like this too

[sl@sh]

yea i know the bypass valve kills air flow but its better than sucking up water but i guess thats why i stuck with the sri

yeah i get what u mean, i share the same sentiments, if one was to run a bypass valve on a CAI, why not just run a SRI and save the trouble, it negates any chance in potential gains from a CAI anyway

imo if one is to use a cai, i think one wud benefit in running a cai with no interuption in the intake tract,

my .02

[workinprog]

agreed/\ just a ? but are you running just one layer of stocking for a filter

[sl@sh]

yeah just one stocking (for one foot haha) over the velocity stack,

awhile back i was lookin at the whole velcoity stack in my room with the stocking, i figured if i put it over the velocity stack and stretched it, it has a tendency to filter less due to the weaves expanding, kinda hard to explain but i hope u get what i mean, so what i do is put the stocking juz enough that it is not stretched much... and use ziptie to hold it down, i tried hose clamps bfor but it scared me cuz it has a tendency to tear the stocking

ok im not telling everyone to do this hahaha im just sharing my experiences
ive bin running stocking as filters for 2 years now, 1st year with the short ram, and now almost a year with the CAI , seems to be ok..

i drive my car everyday to school and from school, i take it to the track 2s a month (drag) and occasional long drives,

i guess its filtering good enough for me..

[workinprog]

ah well i was curious cause a friend of my was running no hood got his intake jacked ran a stoking and the motor quit cause of all the dirt he sucked up then again i live in the desert

[LennyP]

As long as the throttle plate is not open you won't suck any water into the motor. If you hit a puddle take your foot off the gas and you have nothing to worry about.

[sl@sh]

ah well i was curious cause a friend of my was running no hood got his intake jacked ran a stoking and the motor quit cause of all the dirt he sucked up then again i live in the desert



ohhh hmmmm thats wierd, maybe the motor injested sand? bigger particles?

havnt experienced any of those, gosh i hope i never do hahaha

[workinprog]

well i figure if you dont live in rosamond your good we get wanna be sandstorms so yea if that explains anything

[siregcivic]

you suck up water in your intake and this is what happens...

borrowed from transzex in another thread
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m307/bonespec/host/magicrodx.jpg

[jimmyb34]

my ride home tonight from work convinced me why io went with a sri.. its raining like no other tonight.... and i had no choice to hit a ton of puddles... my car sist pretty low too.. with a cai id be sitting on the side of the road bitching about ym car even more than i do now lol

[achilles1981]

Where did you get the ring thats in your font bumper where you drilled the hole. I've wanted to do this fora while but cant find a ring like that

its a 3" speaker port. I have spare one from my intake project. PM me about it if you want it..

[modsHXcivi]

As long as the throttle plate is not open you won't suck any water into the motor. If you hit a puddle take your foot off the gas and you have nothing to worry about.

If you get stuck in puddle....you have a whole shit load to worry about ....

[94SooperCooper]

When i had my car tuckin like a inch and a half of tires i had a cold air and i never had anyproblems out of it. as long as you dont go into a deep deep puddle it should be alright

[siregcivic]

As long as the throttle plate is not open you won't suck any water into the motor. If you hit a puddle take your foot off the gas and you have nothing to worry about.

ya...lol thats what i thought if i idled thorugh a little river it would be alright right???? NO it doesnt matter when your car is idling or not you are still sucking air so that means you are still sucking water...

the funniest part about when i hydrolocked my motor was.. i didnt even get the filter in the water.. it was from tires splashing it on the filter

[BoogiepopJDM]

Do what Ryan said ....you can alwaydo SRWRA...short ram with ram air .... click the link
http://www.d-series.org/forums/showthread.php?t=18496

Front bumper after inlet was drilled and piped...
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y51/mods/Picture288.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y51/mods/Picture294.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y51/mods/Picture298.jpg
Filter sits right in here....:TU: air box is still in the works[/QUOTE]

now thats freaking sexy!

[pearl62]

Didn't BuiltHatch have one of those too?

[builthatch]

Didn't BuiltHatch have one of those too?

word! i had one i fashioned that aimed right at the filter behind the bumper. this local dumbass a few years back decided to pull on it one time when i had it on the lift and broke it. of course the place where i got the basic plastic piece doesn't make the piece in black anymore....

that one looks nice tho, indeed.

BTW guys, i've had a "cold air" intake since 1998...in fact, they didn't even make one for the y7 yet, i had to get a proto from AEM, it was a frankenstein between a z6 or y8 piece and an extra pipe with an elbow. When i went to the y8 mani, i just took the lil pipe and elbow out of the equation. Then in '02 or '03 i got the larger-diameter-than-AEM piece from DC, the DAC w/ extension which i still run today. That is almost 9 years with a cold air intake, approx. 200k miles in a shore town. go figure.

[BoogiepopJDM]

what do you guys think of replacing the sri filter w/ a stocking i remember doing it once motor felt at ease at high rpm

[vietnameeh]

ive seeen stocking sucked in and stuck on the throttle body haha