Will someone build up a D17 already!

[Honda Bob]

Not too many D17 fans around I can see. ;) Has anyone done anything to their D17 besides the basic bolt on stuff?

[custom_junky]

not yet, but when next year rolls around and the wedding shit is all over, i'll be having exospeed(hopefully they'll have this) do a head job, include 2 stage cam, and springs, and a three angle vavle job, PnP, ect...

on top of that milling the head a bit to up the compression. i don't know a lot about the internals of the d17 as of yet, but if you have a question i might be able to answer it...maybe.

[DOHCDX]

will a d16 VTEC head bolt on to a d17 block?

do the d17 blocks follow the same "rules" as the d15/d16 blocks as far as interchangeability goes?

[Honda Bob]

Nope! As far as I know nothing from the other D series will be interchangable. MAYBE internals but not sure.

[S Q A D]

check this shit out ... http://www.d-series.org/viewtopic.php?t=5547

[exospeed*com]

we are going to offer the Sleeving service for the D17 blocks soon. there really isnt a selection of pistons yet, so we are working on that as well for turbo applications. Rods.. only thing available are from Crowers and they are expensive. Check with us soon for D17 build ups.

[midnightauto]

I'm with ya...Can only find bolt on's right now. Used nitrous...works ok....That turbo set up is bitchin....The only cam I can find is from GUDE, and it's for the 1.7 VTEC. If I can swing it I'm going to try the AEM engine management system. But for now I can only dream.

[custom_junky]

honda bob is right, as of right now i don't believe that anything can be interchanged. however if any one finds out differently please let me know.

[crxgator]

i was told the y8 head bolts up to the d17 block...

[midnightauto]

crxgator...Please tell us more...

[Honda Bob]

i was told the y8 head bolts up to the d17 block...

I don't see how this is true cause then any head from a D16 would fit on. As far as I know nothing will work at all. I could be wrong but I don't think I am.

[midnightauto]

You're right Honda Bob. This is a whole new engine designed for reliability...Not performance. Everthing on this baby is electronic or ECU monitored in some way or other. I asked three different parts stores for stock pistons and a head gasket......Can't buy 'em yet.

[pitchblacktyper]

nope. nothing interchanges. head work blows onthe 1.7 its too much $$ for a couple horses. check out 7thgencivic (i think thats the name). alot of people like the motor but the lack of a return fuel line kills off soo much. i got a friend who had a civic ex with the 1.7 amd got rid of it because the only thing he could do was a k series motor swap safley. 1.7s are like the ugly stepchild of d-series motors. damnit.

[98DXSLPR]

will an ex header for a d17ex fit onto a d17dx without any problems?

[Honda Bob]

will an ex header for a d17ex fit onto a d17dx without any problems?

Nope. The EX and DX headers are different. The DX has the catalytic converter on the header and the EX has it under the car. It might fit but then the DX would have to dump the cat or get an EX cat.

[98DXSLPR]

so it is most likely the same problem with the d16y7 header. you can use a y8 but then you would have to change the cat or buy a full cat back exhaust. thanks

[Honda Bob]

so it is most likely the same problem with the d16y7 header. you can use a y8 but then you would have to change the cat or buy a full cat back exhaust. thanks

No problem

[dxmannn]

if ya looking for parts besides bolts on dh racing makes alot shit for d17s

[custom_junky]

i'm impressed, that site is going to be my heaven.

[Honda Bob]

I saw one job done by DH and swore never to even consider using them. It was a p&p head, cam, and throttle body. The cam actually rubbed the head, the valve job looked like a kindergarden student did it, the porting and polishing of both the head and the TB was uneven and nasty as well. It could of been a fluke experience but it was enough for me not to want to use them.

[custom_junky]

hmmmm...maybe i'll just buy some parts from them instead of having them do some work. i'll stick with exospeed for the actual work.

[Honda Bob]

DH-Racing is on 7thgencivic.com looking to pay people $150 to dyno their parts. They said that if you want a part from them they will knock off $150 as long as you agree to dyno it before and after and post the dyno results.

[98DXSLPR]

Jerry from delta camshafts said that they can do their 260 or 272 grind on the d17 non vtec for 85.00.

[midnightauto]

When did he tell you this? I talked to him last week and he said they have not started working with this cam yet.

[daveb91]

Also isnt the d17 distributorless and runs a coil pack?

[Honda Bob]

Also isnt the d17 distributorless and runs a coil pack?

Yeah, the top of each sparkplug ha its own coil pack.

[98DXSLPR]

When did he tell you this? I talked to him last week and he said they have not started working with this cam yet.

I just got a reply from him via email on the 23 of this month. only for the non vtec though

[custom_junky]

Also isnt the d17 distributorless and runs a coil pack?

Yeah, the top of each sparkplug ha its own coil pack.

are there any advantages to this? as in can this be a tuning area?

[midnightauto]

This is a more efficient way to control the time and strength of the burn cycle. It is very reliable as there is less resistance and heat involved. As far as tuning goes, I believe the only thing on the market right now is the AEM engine management system, as the coils are all controlled by the ECU.

[DOG]

Just curious as to why someone here hasnt tried to stick a D17 crank in a D15 or D16 block here at D-series.org. I am considering it. I know there are a few modifications like the dipstick and oil pump. Anyone try this yet? Here's part of an article I found on the subject:
I picked up a d17 crank from a 01 civic DX and just for fun I brought it home to fit in my bare d16y8 block. Wouldn't you know it, it fits. But not of course without some problems.
1: you need to use the D17 oil pump because the snout on the crank is much thicker then the y8 crank. No problem because it actually bolts on like a champ. (new problem, there is no accomadation for a dip stick because while the y8 pump has a hole in it for the dipstick this new d17's pump does not.

2: In their infinite wisdom, honda has now made the already inferior d-series rods "thinner" thus compelling one to have the rods "trimmed up" on the sides. Not a problem because I was going to have to do that with the B-series rods that were going in there.

Overall this is a great discovery. The bore on the d17 is the same so they had to have gotten the extra 100cc's through the crank. I'd like to think that I'm the 1st one attempting this build.

Now the questions as to what the actual stroke of this crank is so I can figure out what pistons to use. I'm planning on a nice strong y8 setup with a little more umph. The Y8 head is on the table awaiting some homegrown porting and polishing once I finish up the bottom end. I've got d15b7 pistons and a set of d16a1 pistons as we speak, who knows if it will all clear. Time to find the clay!

I'll post picts when I get home from work.

I do everything myself. Yes, a dremel or die grinder is in my future! Actually, I have a roto-zip that I prefer and I use 1/4" shank attachments. It will be my first time doing a head. I'm a little anxious however I think it'll go very well. Thats what the search button is for. I'm looking at using the d17 rods and pistons because the compression height is the smallest of all the d-series pistons of 27mm vs. most other d-series pistons which are closer to 30mm. The 13010-plr-a00 (01 DX pistons) are about $35 and I will need one replacement rod (13210-plm-a00) for about $88. I'm not too happy about the price but its certainly much cheaper than aftermarket.
Does anyone know what rings I can use with this setup? I know 1988-1995 rings are the same but in 1996-2000 they went to a slightly different set of rings. I'm hopeful that the 01+ rings will be similar/the same as the 96-00 rings(simply because I stock them here at my work)

[S Q A D]

dog, what kind of improvement are you looking to make by using the d17 crank ? what advantages are there in doing this swap ? so your obviously going to have to make custom pistons to go in ...

[DOG]

Yeah I am probably just dreaming, but I have 3 projects that I want to combine into 1 big project. Like I said I am not sure if all this will work so take it easy on me.lol.

Holley Carb
DOHC ZC
D17 crank

Improvement? I just want to blow something up bro. lol

[slebidia]

Aren't the rod journals D15 size.....

[DOG]

I believe so , but I keep getting different answers.

[Soulless]

I know for certain the crank and rods from a d17 fit into a d16z6 and d16y8 blocks....

[S Q A D]

I know for certain the crank and rods from a d17 fit into a d16z6 and d16y8 blocks....

and how is that ? have you done this project ?

[custom_junky]

hey dog i like your idea. if you can it to fit together and everything timed right I don't see why it wouldn't work.

[DOG]

I agree, though I know someone will come in and have an opposing view. My main problem is figuring out what rod/piston combo to use. I may finally have some time to figure it out tonight. Things have been busy lately with work and travel, and hopefully things are finally slowing down enough where I can contribute a little more to the site. This project is one of the things I would like take on.