N/A Power goal [Archive]

EG6civic

10-07-2006, 09:44 AM

I have a JDM D15B in my EG6 civic I was wondering if there is a way to make 170 whp on just a N/a set up and make it street legel so i can drive around with out cops being on my tail if it is possible then what parts do i need i already have weapon R intake the best one u can get and i also have a JDM trany and exhast.

93civiccx

10-07-2006, 09:49 AM

Try searching. There's a million d15b builds on here. 170 whp is gonna be tough and not too street friendly, but it can be done.

jimmyb34

10-07-2006, 02:32 PM

you wont do it /thread
go turbo if you want more than 145-150 whp

CrazyConscious

10-07-2006, 02:54 PM

you wont do it /thread
go turbo if you want more than 145-150 whp
x2 :skull:

gloryhog

10-07-2006, 03:39 PM

you wont do it /thread
go turbo if you want more than 145-150 whp

hmmm... makes me wanna do it just to prove everybody wrong.Sure maybe its not a very logical / economical way to make 170 hp with a "D".... but I think with the right head,cam,compression,boltons it can be done. And this could be somewhat of a daily driver if you could keep the compression below 13/1....flame on Yo...

jimmyb34

10-07-2006, 03:46 PM

imo the d is all about cheapness.. or else people wouldnt do anythign with them
170 whp all motor isnt cheap...

93civiccx

10-07-2006, 05:14 PM

imo the d is all about cheapness.. or else people wouldnt do anythign with them
170 whp all motor isnt cheap...

Nor is it gonna be worth a crap as a daily driver. It can be done, but it's not gonna be streetable.

Jcazz

10-07-2006, 05:16 PM

imo the d is all about cheapness.. or else people wouldnt do anythign with them
170 whp all motor isnt cheap...

Tru dat! :TU:

gloryhog

10-07-2006, 06:41 PM

imo the d is all about cheapness.. or else people wouldnt do anythign with them
170 whp all motor isnt cheap...

I totally agree....but he asked if there was any way to make 170 hp and would it be street legal/drivable....the answer is yes and yes....will it be likely to happen on a budget...no..

kprcivic91

10-07-2006, 10:08 PM

hmmmm!!! 170whp n/a streetable
Hard to do it, lots of compression, big cam, good tune and :jesus:
which mean you are going to spend lots on money just to make 170whp on n/a set up
Build a turbo for less money and you will be happy with the result

20civic00

10-07-2006, 10:18 PM

yeah 170 n/a is kinda "out there" only with the turbo can you reach that and stay somewhat wallet friendly. i'm just shooting for 135 whp and i think that should be plenty.

more is better though, but not allways

jimmyb34

10-08-2006, 06:41 AM

i'm just shooting for 135 whp and i think that should be plenty.

believe me when i tell you it isnt near enough... especially if you dont have a cx.. lol

nathan

10-08-2006, 03:35 PM

yep, and the 170whp turbo car will be signifcantly slower too..

I will say however, that 170whp isn't a cheap idea :)....but that doesn't mean don't do it either.

Nathan

d15dunebuggy

10-08-2006, 04:07 PM

imo the d is all about cheapness.. or else people wouldnt do anythign with them
170 whp all motor isnt cheap...

exactly, if you want over 140-150 hp....just boost it, it's a no brainer.

Misfit

10-08-2006, 09:20 PM

im gonna go with gloryhog on this one. i think its possible. lots of work and lots of tuning. would it be economical.........not a chance in hell. and you could swap in a b18c for what its gonna cost you to do it. my suggestion is boost for that guy.

my first thread on d series was "160 whp possible on a d" ;)

EG6civic

10-09-2006, 12:17 PM

nathan

10-09-2006, 12:29 PM

I'm working on hitting the elusive 170whp goal...I can tell you this much...it shouldn't be much more expensive than the 160whp builds here...those builds missed some fairly inexpensive items that -should- bring the total to around 170ish.

I'm thinking if I were to convert my build to ITBs, I could see 170 without any difficulty. I'll be pleased with 170whp as that's well over ITR numbers with less money, and 100lbs less weight according to the many weights I have seen of both engines. And I'll put it up against any 160-180whp turbo D any day of the week.

I do wish that I had the budget to sleeve and bore to say, 79mm though, as the bore size of these motors is a HUGE hinderance in the flow that the head can produce as it shrouds the hell out of stock valves, but even more any kind of oversized valves.

I'd say a 160+whp build would run about... depending on connections and deals, how ghetto you are about gaskets, etc (I used all new honda shit, so I spent a lot there) etc.... AROUND $2.5k-3k assuming your paying 'full price' for most of the stuff. Most of the money is going to be in the head (cam, valve train, porting). That $2.5k-3k is in addition to i/h/e as I assume everyone will basically have those anyway.

$3k wouldn't even get you a well-done GSR swap....I've got about 3k into my build but that's primarily due to a lot of 'bling' items I threw in for fun which kinda filled in the gap of a few items I got amazing deals on. Even builthatch and agentjam's builds could have been done cheaper, for those of you very ambitious..

You be the judge :P

Nathan

Nathan

Dibble

10-09-2006, 12:40 PM

I hear so much bad things about turbos

You think a turbo d making a 170hp breaks alot? I can tell you, one making a 170NA is going to brake just as much if not more. If you want to build a nice NA dseries that is very street able and fun, this is what you should do.

1.Skunk2 intake mani
2. Stage 2 cam of some type.
3.4-1 header (ebay ftw)
4. stage 2 clutch (just cause)
5. Crome pro/ s300 (something to tune/play around with)
6. Nice tires(nitto ftw)

nathan

10-09-2006, 12:48 PM

I tend to disagree, but hey, each their own :). The breaking thing, maybe.

Nathan

93civiccx

10-09-2006, 01:43 PM

I hear so much bad things about turbos

I don't know what. They're just like nitrous. If you try to run a 300 shot of nitrous on a stock d15b7, you're probably gonna break something. Turbo's are the same. They are safe as hell unless you try to do something stupid like run 30 lbs of boost on a stock d.

jimmyb34

10-09-2006, 01:48 PM

for 3 grand in an na build you could have bizzars turbo build with 300+ whp.... that runs 12's... and not everyone pays retail on swaps.. i can get a gsr for 2k if i wanted....
3k for 150-170 whp and having a ceiling is retarded in my mind... it might be reliable but its still going to be slow

nathan

10-09-2006, 06:14 PM

retarded, right, I'll remember that.

Nathan

jimmyb34

10-09-2006, 06:35 PM

retarded, right, I'll remember that.

Nathan

ok...??? all im saying is that when spending the money budget it to where you can have the most bang for your buck.. isnt that what dseries motors are all about?
i mean you could piece together an lsvtec for 3 grand and have at least 170 whp easily... and tons more room for more hp.....

chronodev87

10-09-2006, 06:39 PM

Some people just like the satisfaction of making an all motor build. I admit I admire those who can make power without using forced induction. I think it's a matter of preference vs. price.
-d

jimmyb34

10-09-2006, 06:41 PM

well going by my build.. which isnt much but hey its still considered na.. another 30-50 whp wouldnt do it for me AT ALL... and my car is about as light as they come....

Eyal 951

10-09-2006, 06:50 PM

D-series swap is a good amount lighter then a B. That makes for a more balanced car, and considering I sometimes DE my car, that means a lot to me.

SOHC_Rules

10-09-2006, 06:50 PM

im going to have to agree with jimmy here, if you're going to spend 3k on a d-series go turbo, and if you're going to spend 3k for n/a, do a bswap plain and simple. people spend 1500+ on headwork, +more money for cam, and + more for a forged high compression build, close to a 1000 dollars for a header and STILL dont make 170whp

someone with the same amount of money hits up the junkyard, grabs an hf mani, t-bird turbo, dsm injectors and sidemount, makes 200whp and still has 1.5-2k dollars left to improve.

you can do what you want, and we will answer guestions you have, but think about it. if its power you're wanting then n/a is a shitty choice IMHO.

nathan

10-09-2006, 07:34 PM

Everyone is right in this thread. And it really all boils down to what you want.

I just wouldn't say it's retarded for someone to tackle a challenge like 170whp from a D.... afterall, I'm only doing my project because it challenges me mentally and gives me something to really work on....

If all I wanted was to smoke every rice boy/domestic lover in the universe then yes.... I'd DEF. be going turbo, especially with my heavy ass car (which is another 'challenge' for me....btw).

For 99% of the population here, even *I* recommend just dropping a turbo on it and being happy... unless you are just looking for an intelectually stimulating experience known as NA SOHC.

Nathan

SOHC_Rules

10-09-2006, 07:39 PM

honestly, i could NEVER justify spending so much money for so little gain.

its just.. well.. retarded.. IMO of course.

pearl62

10-09-2006, 09:29 PM

I have to agree with Nathan here... Everyone has there own perception of value. For some, turbo holds more value, for others, NA has a much stronger appeal, no matter what it costs!

Misfit

10-09-2006, 10:11 PM

jrsc? anyone? ebay? lol

20civic00

10-09-2006, 10:32 PM

believe me when i tell you it isnt near enough... especially if you dont have a cx.. lol

i mean for my daily driving car. i find that 135 whp should be enough to make it fun, beat my friends pieces of shit, and stay reliable. my crx (when i get it) will be the high power vehicle. with a b18c turboed.

nathan

10-09-2006, 11:49 PM

I have to agree with Nathan here... Everyone has there own perception of value. For some, turbo holds more value, for others, NA has a much stronger appeal, no matter what it costs!

said it way better than I could have ever.

now, why hasn't this thread been locked yet?

Nathan