Emanage Vs. EMS Vs. HOndata

[stealthcivic]

Whats more efficent emanage or ems? Will need a laptop with ems? Ems comes with software to program right? I do not want to convert to obd 1 so which system should i go with? I already have the emanage ecu thing. I just need to buy the $500 porfec LCD controler....need some help b4 i blow my money??/

[Rexinre]

If you don't want to go to odb1 then it looks like e-manage will do. I have no idea if you need a laptop or not. It depends on how much you spend on getting the hondata weather or not you can program your own chips. There are other options out there that are cheep do a search.

[slammedcivy]

from my expierence the hondata unit is much more user friendly and way simpler to program compaired to the EMS. i think hondata may be a little cheaper but its pretty good equipment.

also if you want to go the "Free/cheap" way you could you uberdata and just buy a conversion harness to change it to obd1 and get a rom emulator and burner. this would be cheaper than all the other options and it is user friendly

any more questions just ask

[TurboEF9]

Clarification Post:

Hondata is cheaper than EMS.
EMS is more flexiable than Hondata.
eManage is crap for tuning, however, a cheap "option".
TurboEDIT is for OBD0 (;)) ..try Uberdata ( http://www.ecimulti.org/uberdata )

[stealthcivic]

hey turboef....i under stand u know a few things about tunning and i understand from all your posts that u basically hate emanage. I dont know if uve ever worked with it but from what ive read its gonna be sweet. With the profec eo1 controler. All i need is a safe reliable fuel management that will have to feed at most 10-12 psi. More around the lines of 8 psi. im an idiot when it comes to electronics and i have no idea how to setup a fuel curve or mapping. I am planning on taking it to a tech to get dynoed and tuned the right way. I have a brand new engine with only 29 k miles on it so im not redoing the internals im just basing my reliability on the tunning and fuel. So what do u think? Which is my best/safest/cost efficent way to go?

[Bigwig NJ]

Ef9 is right on the money basically. If you are looking for 8psi you arent asking your car for much but still you want something that will do a good job.

The Greddy Emanage system has had a lot of problems for one, and two, is just a more expensive AFC. It has no properties that make it worth buying in a market where you can spend $150 and get a fully tunable system that wont be a piggy back but actually tell your honda ECU what your fuel values/ignition values are.

Since i see you are willing to spend money on a EMS and tune it yourself, i would suggest the following. Go find a WB that suits your needs. The Innovative is nice b/c it can log for about 44 mins but costs about $450 to have it log afr/rpm. kinda pricey if you ask me. There is also the ever so popular PLX device. Its a very small WB that doesnt have internal datalogging but is very quick and has a narrowband output. so you can datalog through your ECU......

im all over the place. If you are DIY get uberdata and find a OBD1 ECU and get the harness. If you prefer not tuning yourself for whatever reason, i would suggest hondata.

Greddy Emanage=poo

[stealthcivic]

well i would like to DIY. But i dont know what WB is. Also where can i find a uberdata. Never heard of it before? Whats the advantages? Is it similar too hondata?

[S Q A D]

you get Uberdata online .. try Uberdata ( http://www.ecimulti.org/uberdata ) and like they already said .. your gonna need a ROM emulator and burner .. just like Hondata but cheaper ... emanage is shit ... my friend had that for a total of 2 months before he realised it sucked and was fucking with his system .. dont let Oscarmayer hear this though .. he has a hard on for everything GReddy ... :)

[stealthcivic]

Man im so sick of this shit. I dont think anyone knows whats better. Every application is going to be different and if i get a tech and 2 hours of dyno time i think greddy is gonna cut it for me! What is so bad about the emanage. Deff not the price its $400 compared to $800 for hondata. And i dont wanna run 19 psi on my car. I just want something run and reliable 10 psi at most. Im going Greddy and im gonna get the Profec eo1 and im gonna ge it all tuned.

[TurboEF9]

Your problem is you're trying to get people who don't know you, your setup, your budget, your knowledge level or car's goal, to tell you what you should do. I run into this all the time on HomeMadeTurbo.com. My users in EM want me to *tell* them what to do. I don't do that.

I am a firm believer of figuring out your own problems. I'll help you in every way I can to arm you with the correct information you need to make an accurate, cost effective, flexible and reliable setup. But I won't tell you what to pick.

If you want information on different management systems, just ask questions about them. Me, and others who have posted here, are not product salesmen. I'm not going to try to sell you one way or another.
The most I'll do is tell you what I would do, if you don't want to do it, fine... Just don't get all bent out of shape when your opinion doesn't follow other's. I wouldn't come here for validation, if I were you.

[stealthcivic]

alrite thas all i wanted to know. Thanks for the info man. I know what im going to do. My best option and most cost effective is goin ot be emanage and the profec e01. Im gonna get it tuned all out on a local dyno hopefully he will be trained in emanage software. Thanks for al the help Turboef.

[TurboEF9]

Sounds like a plan. :D

[beerbongskickass]

Get with the times man...

obd0... www.turboedit.org
obd1... http://www.ecimulti.org/uberdata/

Problem solved. 8)

[stealthcivic]

wow thas gotta be the most confusing stuff ive ever read beerpong. I take it that its software? U have to solder your stock ecu?

[stealthcivic]

Alrite ive decided to join the Hondata band wagon. The only thing that was keeping me from Hondata was the fact that i have emanage already with the kit. I understand now that emanage kinda just tricks my stock ecu instead of accuratley telling how much fuel and air it getting. Now the only thing im confused about is Uberdata vs. hondata. I am OBD2 so i will have to find an obd 1 ecu and harness. Im also still confused on the Romemulator. I need a laptop to run this? please help i wanna get this turbo boosted ASAP (safely and correctly)

[TurboEF9]

Now you're talkin'.

Uberdata and Hondata give the same end result, modified fuel and ignition tables for boost, plus some extra goodies. Now, which one you want to use is up to you.

Uberdata offers a lot of good things that (to me) make it a practical choice. To begine with, it's free. 100%. Second, it's continually being updated and new features constantly being developed. Another positive is that you have the entire tuning environment right there in one package. All of the features are instantly available to you, and you don't have to get (buy) extra features. Uberdata has been proven solid by giving 40-60+whp gains in force inducted applications (I have personally seen 4-6 dyno graphs of Uberdata vehicles).

To use Uberdata you'll need a few things, a modified, OBD1 ECU for external EEPROM (I'm sure either I or someone could chip it for you, I charge $60 for OBD1). You also need an EEPROM burner (so you can change your tune as your setup changes). There are available from $90 - $150, depending on which one you need. You need a reburnable chips, they'r elike $4. And you're set. ROMulator support hasn't been added to Uberdata yet. LAst I saw, Blake was working on it.

Hondata: ..To me, this is an expensive, but very popular, option. Wth loads of base tunes, the "tuning" part of your vehicle would pretty much be set. Same ECU requirements that Uberdata has would be needed for Hondata. Same features avialable, only I believe you have to purchase a "boost" and "datalog" option. Plus, to get the tuning environment, you need to be the dealer kit which comes with thier ROMEditor (which is a lot more money). Hondata gains are the same as Uberdata, with dyno charts available on the website. Tuning is essentially the same (once you have the dealer kit) as Uberdata. Hondata supports ROMulator, which is a "ROM Emulator" that loads the ROM into the device, and you run around updating your maps in real time. When you're done, you save the ROM to a file, burn it ot a chip, and stick it in there permenatly.

...Soooooo.. Personally, I would use Uberdata. We can help you out with any information you need. I'm pretty familiar with it, and have had some great discussions with Blake. He's VERY knowledgeable and has a firm grasp as to what he's doing. I support his software 110%.

[stealthcivic]

I wanna give a big shoot out to turboef!!! You are the man. Quailty info and post all around man! I can actually understand you but anyways.....i downloaded the uberdata chart. That thing is great. I also read up on how to setup a base map. The only thing im going to need help with is soldering the extras onto my ecu. Is there a place where i can buy a obd 1 ecu and harness? How much. If you would ill send it too you and have you do it. Id really appreciate it. $60 or whatever u said. Let me know what else ill need. heres what ifigured right now.

obd1
obd1 harness
all those resistors and shit
a Rom burner...

anythign else?

[S Q A D]

Skunk2 makes the obdI harness .. you can get one at any online tuner shop like this one : :D http://www.coximport.com/store/sk-201-05-0120 .. as for the other stuff .. im not sure ..

[stealthcivic]

$250 for a harness? Is this what im going to have to pay? holy shit no way.

[S Q A D]

dude .. going fast isnt cheap ... were you unaware that if you actually want quality parts and services your gonna have to pay for it .. and this little honda habit can cost a pretty penny ...

[stealthcivic]

Well this little hobby honda freak just found one for $90 bucks shipped. :wink:
"Another one bitessss the dust....."

[S Q A D]

umm ok ... then there you go

[Bigwig NJ]

I think you should be giving me a big shout out aswell for writing the help file for uberdata and the "how to make a basemap"......YEA BITCH!!!!!!!

Btw, i just bought an (e)eprom burner off ebay. its a willem and has USB power support but ya gotta still speak w/ the computer via paralell port. all said and done, $65 shipped. you cant beat that with a stick

[TurboEF9]

There are guys on Honda-Tech.com that sell harnesses for $100 shipped.

[stealthcivic]

alrite sounds good. But correct me if im wrong the only way to program your ecu is too usea laptop correct? So u basically just adds some stuff to your stock ecu and then hook up to it with a laptop and the uberdata software and your good to go....right?

[oscarmayer]

Turboef9, Honda-tech sucks... Full of haters and jerk posters. this is D series not honda-tech. So please try to remember that.

Hondata is probebly the best option out of any for a honda. It has many upgrades and can support up to 28lbs of boost. it can even idle 1200cc injectors on a stock motor if need be. YES 1200cc. Ask Doug at Hondata about that.

[TurboEF9]

Who deleted my post in response to the using the laptop? Stupid moderators.. Lets delete quality posts... that's a way to make boards better.

Anyway.. no, you don't have to use your laptop. You can use a desktop. You only use a laptop if the tuning environment is RTP enabled. That or you have ROMulator (Xtronic's Product) support.

Oscar.. You're a retard, stop posting. You're confusing personal opinion with fact. Honda-Tech has quality sellers, tuners, and developers. You apparently, just can't weed through the bullshitters. I would figure you would be able to smell your own..

As for your comments on Hondata. No, the best option is *not* always Hondata for any Honda. There are as good, if not BETTER DIY replacements for Engine Management for OBD1. Hondata isn't even developing OBD1 support anymore. Not to mention they have a nice "3000rpm hesitation" bug that they can't seem to fix.

As for the "Hondata can idle 1200cc injectors", uh, Honda OBD1 ECUs can idle 1200cc injectors. Between OBD0 and OBD1, Hondata went from a 8-bit microcontroller to a 16-but microcontroller. This allows more indepth math equations, and values to be calculated.

I doubt you've ever looked at a fuel map of a OBD0 ECU vs that of a OBD1, but the fuel multipliers allow for greater fuel control based on Honda's arbitrary numeric.

..bottom line, "Hondata" doesn't idle 1200cc injectors, "Honda" idles 1200cc injectors. Any idiot with a WB can tune an idle.

[oscarmayer]

Who deleted my post in response to the using the laptop? Stupid moderators.. Lets delete quality posts... that's a way to make boards better.

Anyway.. no, you don't have to use your laptop. You can use a desktop. You only use a laptop if the tuning environment is RTP enabled. That or you have ROMulator (Xtronic's Product) support.

Oscar.. You're a retard, stop posting. You're confusing personal opinion with fact. Honda-Tech has quality sellers, tuners, and developers. You apparently, just can't weed through the bullshitters. I would figure you would be able to smell your own..

As for your comments on Hondata. No, the best option is *not* always Hondata for any Honda. There are as good, if not BETTER DIY replacements for Engine Management for OBD1. Hondata isn't even developing OBD1 support anymore. Not to mention they have a nice "3000rpm hesitation" bug that they can't seem to fix.

As for the "Hondata can idle 1200cc injectors", uh, Honda OBD1 ECUs can idle 1200cc injectors. Between OBD0 and OBD1, Hondata went from a 8-bit microcontroller to a 16-but microcontroller. This allows more indepth math equations, and values to be calculated.

I doubt you've ever looked at a fuel map of a OBD0 ECU vs that of a OBD1, but the fuel multipliers allow for greater fuel control based on Honda's arbitrary numeric.

..bottom line, "Hondata" doesn't idle 1200cc injectors, "Honda" idles 1200cc injectors. Any idiot with a WB can tune an idle.

If i'm so retarted, how come it was your post that got removed not mine??? Look who's the retard now, the guy witht he big mouth and half the knowledge he wishes he had.

If you think honda-tech is that great, go back tot hen and leave this forum. your one of the worst HT people there for talking trash and posting bad info. you "think" you kwo but you don't know half of what you thinky ou do.

If the best thing you can coem up with is spelling errors, GEt a life. the point was made was achieved.

FYI, yes the hondata is the best solution, my opinion and I'm keepign it. you cna havr your opinion, i think your is wrong. I've worked with otehrs, they are a pain with honda motors. the only one that is doing anywhere near as good is AEM. but even then the Hondata edges it out. Especially for a streeet or budget strip car w/o boost or all motor total drag. It's limited to 28psi in boosting so for a full drag that's not enough. those things run 30-50psi so that's where hondata falls behind. but you knew this right?...

kids, can't learn whyen they run their mouth. Your as bad as my 4.5 yr old daughter. She won't listen if she's talking or lookign away. gotta get ehr attenetino to get her to listen. Your the same. You got A-D-D or something? If ya do it's ok, it would make more sence on how you think here. and the illusions you have in your mind about yourself.

FYI 10-15 cars don't make you a pro either.

[Bigwig NJ]

Who deleted my post in response to the using the laptop? Stupid moderators.. Lets delete quality posts... that's a way to make boards better.

Anyway.. no, you don't have to use your laptop. You can use a desktop. You only use a laptop if the tuning environment is RTP enabled. That or you have ROMulator (Xtronic's Product) support.

Oscar.. You're a retard, stop posting. You're confusing personal opinion with fact. Honda-Tech has quality sellers, tuners, and developers. You apparently, just can't weed through the bullshitters. I would figure you would be able to smell your own..

As for your comments on Hondata. No, the best option is *not* always Hondata for any Honda. There are as good, if not BETTER DIY replacements for Engine Management for OBD1. Hondata isn't even developing OBD1 support anymore. Not to mention they have a nice "3000rpm hesitation" bug that they can't seem to fix.

As for the "Hondata can idle 1200cc injectors", uh, Honda OBD1 ECUs can idle 1200cc injectors. Between OBD0 and OBD1, Hondata went from a 8-bit microcontroller to a 16-but microcontroller. This allows more indepth math equations, and values to be calculated.

I doubt you've ever looked at a fuel map of a OBD0 ECU vs that of a OBD1, but the fuel multipliers allow for greater fuel control based on Honda's arbitrary numeric.

..bottom line, "Hondata" doesn't idle 1200cc injectors, "Honda" idles 1200cc injectors. Any idiot with a WB can tune an idle.

If i'm so retarted, how come it was your post that got removed not mine??? Look who's the retard now, the guy witht he big mouth and half the knowledge he wishes he had.

If you think honda-tech is that great, go back tot hen and leave this forum. your one of the worst HT people there for talking trash and posting bad info. you "think" you kwo but you don't know half of what you thinky ou do.

If the best thing you can coem up with is spelling errors, GEt a life. the point was made was achieved.

FYI, yes the hondata is the best solution, my opinion and I'm keepign it. you cna havr your opinion, i think your is wrong. I've worked with otehrs, they are a pain with honda motors. the only one that is doing anywhere near as good is AEM. but even then the Hondata edges it out. Especially for a streeet or budget strip car w/o boost or all motor total drag. It's limited to 28psi in boosting so for a full drag that's not enough. those things run 30-50psi so that's where hondata falls behind. but you knew this right?...

kids, can't learn whyen they run their mouth. Your as bad as my 4.5 yr old daughter. She won't listen if she's talking or lookign away. gotta get ehr attenetino to get her to listen. Your the same. You got A-D-D or something? If ya do it's ok, it would make more sence on how you think here. and the illusions you have in your mind about yourself.

FYI 10-15 cars don't make you a pro either.

dude you are way out of your league picking a fight with EF9. I would seriously suggest you make a formal appology and ask EF9 to continue gracing this half assed FI board with his knowledge since you have no one remotely as knowledgable as him on this damn site.

Second of all you can think you know all this bullshit but OBD1 hondata is the same damn thing as uberdata as far as the basic editing boost columns. Sure hondata has some more fancy dancy stuff but thats also because it is a marketable product while uberdata is 100% free.

Seriously shut the fuck up, because you dont understand what these fuel management systems actually do.

[TurboEF9]

If i'm so retarted, how come it was your post that got removed not mine??? Look who's the retard now, the guy witht he big mouth and half the knowledge he wishes he had.


Probably because I called you a retard in that one too.


If you think honda-tech is that great, go back tot hen and leave this forum. your one of the worst HT people there for talking trash and posting bad info. you "think" you kwo but you don't know half of what you thinky ou do.


With my 36 posts in the year and half I have been registered, I'm an avid Honda-Tech poster, jackass. When you build and all-motor drag car out of a 1.5l non-VTEC motor, then tell HT it sucks. When you build a 700whp boosted Honda.. Then tell HT they suck. When the top magazines, tuners and part developers stop posting on Honda-Tech, then tell HT it sucks.


If the best thing you can coem up with is spelling errors, GEt a life. the point was made was achieved.


How old are you? Did you even go school? Let me guess, you're retard parents "home-schooled" you. Honestly, I was going to leave you alone about your bullshit spelling, but damn, dude, you're a complete failure. You can't make it through a sentence without messing up a word. If you have some "Hello, my name is Oscar, and I can't read, or write." disease, you need not post.


FYI, yes the hondata is the best solution, my opinion and I'm keepign it. you cna havr your opinion, i think your is wrong. I've worked with otehrs, they are a pain with honda motors. the only one that is doing anywhere near as good is AEM. but even then the Hondata edges it out. Especially for a streeet or budget strip car w/o boost or all motor total drag. It's limited to 28psi in boosting so for a full drag that's not enough. those things run 30-50psi so that's where hondata falls behind. but you knew this right?...


You're so much hype, dude. I bet you were first in line at FandF weren't you? You've got a subscription to all of the cool "import tuning magz". Hondata is sniffing the dirt with OBD1 tuning. You're going to try to tell me that AEM is inferior to Hondata? HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND?! You've obviously never tuned an EMS before. Of course you haven't, you have *NO* experience tuning. AEM walks all over Hondata's OBD1 support. I don't even need to explain that. Feature to feature Hondata doesn't even keep up.


kids, can't learn whyen they run their mouth. Your as bad as my 4.5 yr old daughter. She won't listen if she's talking or lookign away. gotta get ehr attenetino to get her to listen. Your the same. You got A-D-D or something? If ya do it's ok, it would make more sence on how you think here. and the illusions you have in your mind about yourself.


Oh, please Lord, tell me you are lying. You did not procreate?! What girl did you slip a roofie to so you could knock her up? Please God, I pray that Oscar's "baby's momma" isn't a retard and that his daughter was blessed to not have anything that resembles his sub-intelligence.


FYI 10-15 cars don't make you a pro either.


...10-15 every 3-5 months for the passed 3 1/2 years, not to mention currently being contracted out by two local shops for custom ROMs, and tuning, and Engine Management software for thier shops. Thanks for playing there, kiddo.

[stealthcivic]

wow this is sweet....my money on turbo ef....!!!!!