Alert!!! Ebay JGE titanium retainers

[Chiovnidca]

Just a heads-up for everybody: I recieved my retainers from ebay user engine-dynamics-usa and they were not tianium. Titanium should have a specific gravity of 4.5. The retainers I recieved were about 7.9, probably cheap stainless steel. I hope it was just a fluke as they were very soft. I dont think they would have lasted very long on a high reving engine. I dont know much about the company they supposedly came from.

[NEP-tuningalltheway]

thats why you dont buy internals off ebay...

[Hellhatch]

That sucks. Whats the sellers name so nobody else gets scammed.

[redTURTLE]

That sucks. Whats the sellers name so nobody else gets scammed.

he didnt even get scammed, thats that fools fault for buying that sh*t. ebay products:TD:

[ardevas09]

the only things i've ever bought off ebay were a high flow cat and a p28 ecu and harness... other than that, it bothers me wasting a shit ton of money on a gamble like that

[Hellhatch]

he didnt even get scammed, thats that fools fault for buying that sh*t. ebay products:TD:
But i still want to know the sellers name.

[Chiovnidca]

thats why you dont buy internals off ebay...
Nope, first time i got an item that wasnt as described. Got most of the parts for my engine off of ebay. You can get some good deals.

That sucks. Whats the sellers name so nobody else gets scammed.
I recieved my retainers from ebay user engine-dynamics-usa

[NEP-tuningalltheway]

Nope, first time i got an item that wasnt as described. Got most of the parts for my engine off of ebay. You can get some good deals.
yea but why risk it, if i bought something off ebay internal wise and it failed id killa bitch

[Chiovnidca]

he didnt even get scammed, thats that fools fault for buying that sh*t. ebay products:TD:
dumbass!!!

[cryz2]

he didnt even get scammed, thats that fools fault for buying that sh*t. ebay products:TD:

thats a bit harsh mate !!!!!!!
hes was just tell a few guys so thay dont make the same mistake

[redTURTLE]

thats a bit harsh mate !!!!!!!
hes was just tell a few guys so thay dont make the same mistake

alright alright maybe i was alittle harsh but theres so many of these threads in a bunch of other forums that we should all already know how ebay products are, my bad

[SPONSOREDCRX]

alright alright maybe i was alittle harsh but theres so many of these threads in a bunch of other forums that we should all already know how ebay products are, my bad
i got my KYB AGX's off of ebay. brand new in the box for $291 shipped. the reg price is $120 a piece and i got all 4. ebay kicks ass.

[MyblkVTEC]

yeah, you just need to be extra carefull.... I love ebay!!

[TurboMaster]

i got my KYB AGX's off of ebay. brand new in the box for $291 shipped. the reg price is $120 a piece and i got all 4. ebay kicks ass.
yup,you just need to know what you're doing,i got an exedy cerametallic clutch for 31.00 +15.00 to ship!the guy didnt know what he had i guess,also the spelling in the title was wrong,oh and it was brand new!http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=8072080838&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT

[ryan89crx]

alright alright maybe i was alittle harsh but theres so many of these threads in a bunch of other forums that we should all already know how ebay products are, my badebay products? ebay isnt a store, they dont sell "products"

ebay has sellers that choose to sell whatever they want. saying that buying stuff of ebay and getting scammed is his fault is rediculous. there are hoards of legitimate brands being sold on ebay for discount prices. if you think paying more somewhere else for the same thing makes your motor perform better, you need to do a little re-thinking..

not everything on ebay is a knock-off

[cory jordan]

like ryan said, just because he used ebay doesnt make it his fault that he was lied too,. thats to assume everything on ebay is potentially fraudulent. and anyone purchasing said item is taking the risk. like buying stage 3 crower and getting an a6 cam. you didnt know. idk. no one buys wrong stuff on purpose, idk just my thoughts

and thanks to the chiovnida. for looking out and letting us know.

[sql_civic]

How were you able to measure the specific gravity?

I do know that you can measure the SG of water with a hydrometer.

[transzex]

ahahahahahahahahahha

OK, not funny.........

But another way JGE is scamming.......

[ryan89crx]

ahahahahahahahahahha

OK, not funny.........

But another way JGE is scamming.......:noway:

you mean to say JGE isnt a legitimate business?? :smile:

[jimmyb34]

ahahahahahahahahahha

OK, not funny.........

But another way JGE is scamming.......


i thought i saw someone on here before saying the same thing about them not being titanium....

[SOHC_STUDENT]

Welll shit... I'm waiting on mine to arrive...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=8060648382&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT

Anyone know how to measure specific gravity? FUCK!

[builthatch]

:noway:

you mean to say JGE isnt a legitimate business?? :smile:

i know that was prolly a sarcastic shot ; ), but for those of you who are not familiar with JG-

independent of the subject of this thread, Javier of JG has been known to be very evasive when issues arise with his products. he's a great engine builder and engineer but a subpar business man.

he's not too different from Bill Gude actually...a huge vat of knowledge but weak and/or non-existent customer service.

i believe that JG is just not as eccentric and a little less stubborn than Gude, so he's been able to hang around a little longer.

there is no doubt that JG's stuff can be good, but sometimes issues come up and it's how those issues get addressed that can make or break your reputation, no matter how fast you are or what racers use your products.

[builthatch]

Just a heads-up for everybody: I recieved my retainers from ebay user engine-dynamics-usa and they were not tianium. Titanium should have a specific gravity of 4.5. The retainers I recieved were about 7.9, probably cheap stainless steel. I hope it was just a fluke as they were very soft. I dont think they would have lasted very long on a high reving engine. I dont know much about the company they supposedly came from.

did you call JG to resolve the issue? they used to make aluminum/magnesium retainers, tho they certainly could not be mistaken either for steel.

[SOHC_STUDENT]

http://jgenginedynamics.com/Valve_spring_retainers.html

I've emailed them and asked for a response.

[jgredline]

SOHC_STUDENT
Thank you for the heads up. I appreciate this very much. We have used many different kinds of material through the years in trying always to improve our parts. Over the past two years we have really settled on two types of material. Military grade spec 2 6AL4V titanium and Chromoly steel. In the past we have had companies provide us with material make retainers, gears, valves, etc for private label deals. How ever Our Jgenginedynamics retainers are for the most part titanium or chromoly steel. We stopped making aluminum retainers about 2 years ago although there may still be some floating around.

I don't know what would prompt someone to say stuff like that as things like that can be very hurtful. What that person should have done is call us and ask us the same way SOHC did. This is the professional thing to do. Not go on forums and make allegations. I normally do not go on forums but have created a user name to address this. If the retainers are not Titanium it would be easy to tell. Simply put a magnet to them. If the magnet sticks then the retainers have some phosphorus metals
in them and its a low quality Titanium or not titanium at all. If its chromoly the magnet will stick. If its aluminum then its obvious as aluminum. When checking a retainer with a magnet be sure to check it while it is not installed as the magnet will pick up the spring and appear to be magnetized.
Now it’s possible the gentleman that started this thread could have received some Chromoly or aluminum retainers by accident. They may even be titanium. I don't know as I did not sell them to him and have not seen them. What ever the case I hope that when you have a problem weather it’s with us or who ever that you will ask the person or company.
No hard feelings lets just make it right.

On a side note, we do not have an ebay store nor have we ever sold anything on ebay. Perhaps one of our dealers I don't know.

p.s.
Now that I have created a user name I guess I will stick around and try to pop in once in a while and If I can answer technical questions or address problems send me an e mail to jgredline@gmail.com and I will try and respond as quick as possible. I would be happy to answer questions. I love the SOHC very much and that’s why we still to this day make parts for them and will continue to do so.
As someone alluded to earlier. My forTay is not as a business man but as an engine builder and research and development specialist. If I were a good business man I would be rich, but I am very much like many of you on this board. I started like many of you on this board, in my garage at home. I have never forgotten where I came from.
Anyway Godspeed

Thanks javier
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[builthatch]

Thanks javier


wow, i applaud your efforts here to take the time to join and put things out in the open. Honestly, it speaks volumes and indicates you are proactive. Many of us who have been around a while have been on the fence regarding your customer service tendencies but i really think you've made a positive step in my eyes by doing what you've done here!

BTW, i'm one of the few on here who knows who the 'nate' is in the filename of your 160whp sohc vtec dyno ; )

that graph is rather old yet still garners much attention in the d-world.

[SOHC_STUDENT]

Javier,

Thanks for coming on the forum and answering this post.

I am confused by a couple of things.

In the past we have had companies provide us with material make retainers, gears, valves, etc for private label deals.

Does this mean that the JGE brand is used on non JGE produced parts?

Our Jgenginedynamics retainers are for the most part titanium or chromoly steel.

Does this mean that JGE retainers are made from titanium or chromoly?


As stated earlier I just bought a complete valvetrain package from ebay seller engine-dynamics-usa and will be pretty unhappy if the advertised titanium retainers are chromoly.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=8060648382&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT

Chiovnidca said that he has returned his retainers for a refund. If they weren't titanium then either there is a problem with the ebay seller switching merchandise or...

:noway:

[Chiovnidca]

How were you able to measure the specific gravity?

You take their weight in grams and divide it by volume in ccs.

The retainers from the auction weighed 91.6gr and had a volume of 11.5cc. 91.6/11.5=7.96 specific gravity. (probably stainless steel)

Some skunk2 retaners I recently got measured 60.75gr and had a volume of 13.25cc. 60.75/13.25=4.58 specific gravity. (titanium should be around 4.5)

did you call JG to resolve the issue? they used to make aluminum/magnesium retainers, tho they certainly could not be mistaken either for steel.
No, I had enough communication with the guy via email. Didn't see any reason a phone call would help matters. Nope to aluminum/magnesium. Talked to jgredline through pm here just now. He doesn't seem like the guy I was dealing with.

[jgredline]

Thank you Built Hatch
I have been really sick the past three years or so, but am doing really well now.
You would be amazed at how sohc engines we build here. If your in the area drop by any time and I will be happy to show you around.
As for customer service we have hired a few more peple here, but have decided to address the customers myself and spend as much time with them even if they don't buy anything from us. Heck, I really don't need the buisness, so doing this is just fun bench racing for me but with real world expieriance.
Thanks Javier

[SOHC_STUDENT]

we all posted at the same time, please don't miss my questions, 3 posts up, #27

[civicnation425]

Thank you Built Hatch
I have been really sick the past three years or so, but am doing really well now.
You would be amazed at how sohc engines we build here. If your in the area drop by any time and I will be happy to show you around.
As for customer service we have hired a few more peple here, but have decided to address the customers myself and spend as much time with them even if they don't buy anything from us. Heck, I really don't need the buisness, so doing this is just fun bench racing for me but with real world expieriance.
Thanks Javier

javier...

you say you are not a businessman at all, and what you came here to do will have to say otherwise :TU:. Just from this proactive approach to this single forum for just one problem, will make me start looking your way when I am in need of the parts you have to offer. Welcome to dseries man, you will be a great member I can tell already.

[jgredline]

SOHC
I have never heard of being able to check material the way that Chivo just described. We have rockwell testers and chemical testers. I wll say this though.
I just finished weighing our SOHC V tec retainer and it weighs 4.5 grams.
I just weighed a Skunk 2 retainer and it weighed 5.5 grams because its a little wider.
Our steel retainer weighed 8.2 grams and is fully magnetic
In saying this I just checked our sales records and have not sold a steel retainer in over 6 months and the last ones that got sold all went to singapore as a special order.
When we make parts for people as private label merchandise they are not to sell it as JGE, but under thier own brand name.
SOHC
When you get your order and if its not what you expected, let me know. Even if they are a differant brand I will exchange them for some of our for you at no charge. Simply send them to me so I can look at them. Most places would not care, and simply say, well its to bad. Not me. If you bought a valve train kit expecting it to be JG then by golly thats what your going to get and I will deal with the other stuff.
I will be talking to ENGINE DYNAMICS -USA and ask them to change thier font.
It really does look like its JGENGINEDYNAMICS but its not.
We do not have an ebay store and have never had an ebay store.
Thanks guys.

[jgredline]

Thank you civic nation
Your kind words mean alot to me. I look forward to giving what ever advice I can give.

Thanks javier

[Chiovnidca]

SOHC_STUDENT


I don't know what would prompt someone to say stuff like that as things like that can be very hurtful. What that person should have done is call us and ask us the same way SOHC did. This is the professional thing to do. Not go on forums and make allegations.
I dont think I was being hurtful, wasn't my intent anyway. Just letting others know to make sure they are getting what they are paying for. Didn't think a phone call would help, thought it was your company running the auction. His ebay username is engine-dynamics-usa, maybe you can see a resemblance.
Allegations??? Ok. MY titanium retainers are not made from titanium.

If the retainers are not Titanium it would be easy to tell. Simply put a magnet to them. If the magnet sticks then the retainers have some phosphorus metals
in them and its a low quality Titanium or not titanium at all. If its chromoly the magnet will stick. If its aluminum then its obvious as aluminum.
A magnet did not stick to these as the seller was adament in telling me. However, a magnet will not stick to some types of stainless steel either. That is what I think mine were made of. The color of both is very similar. Maybe there was a mix-up somewhere?



What ever the case I hope that when you have a problem weather it’s with us or who ever that you will ask the person or company.



My communication with the guy was going nowhere. Finally had to open a dispute to get my money back.


On a side note, we do not have an ebay store nor have we ever sold anything on ebay. Perhaps one of our dealers I don't know.

He sure fooled me.

[jgredline]

Chiov
No problem and no offence. Lets just move on. For the record though we have never made a stainless steel retainer. All stainless steel bar that I have ever seen has phosphorus metals in it and are magnetic to a certain degree. This is true of 300 and 400 series stainless. EV8 and Some EV7 stainless does not have phosphorus metals in them, but that grade of stainless is actually harder than titanium and would cost more to make. By the way EV stainless is what good valves are made of. Now in saying this for your info only, some valve companies out there will sell stainless steel valves that are magnetic. The only part of a stainless steel valve that should be magnetic is the tip because its made of stellite. This is to keep it from mushrooming. Chiov
Anyway time to move forward.
Godspeed
Javier

[Chiovnidca]

Chiov
No problem and no offence. Lets just move on. For the record though we have never made a stainless steel retainer. All stainless steel bar that I have ever seen has phosphorus metals in it and are magnetic to a certain degree. This is true of 300 and 400 series stainless. EV8 and Some EV7 stainless does not have phosphorus metals in them, but that grade of stainless is actually harder than titanium and would cost more to make. By the way EV stainless is what good valves are made of. Now in saying this for your info only, some valve companies out there will sell stainless steel valves that are magnetic. The only part of a stainless steel valve that should be magnetic is the tip because its made of stellite. This is to keep it from mushrooming. Chiov
Anyway time to move forward.
Godspeed
Javier
Thanks for letting us know what's going on. But now i'm just that much more pissed at the seller. LOL

BTW the retainers i got were very soft for steel, alot of little nicks and easily scratched. Definately nothing expensive.

[SOHC_STUDENT]

Thanks Javier. I'll let you know.

Chiovnidca... I saw your comment on ebay about getting the retainters tested. Did you actually take them somewhere to get them tested or are you basing it on the density test?

[Chiovnidca]

Thanks Javier. I'll let you know.

Chiovnidca... I saw your comment on ebay about getting the retainters tested. Did you actually take them somewhere to get them tested or are you basing it on the density test?
I did it myself.

[SOHC_STUDENT]

Well I got the supposed JGE valvetrain and started a new thread fot it.

http://www.d-series.org/forums/showthread.php?t=48491

[93 red ls]

just google kms retainers and springs bad ass shit good prices

[sakenaction]

another funny thing is that if you are talking about the specific gravity, well are you talking about pure titanium??????? you must realize that most titanium used in hardware would usually be 6AL4V titanium which the alloy is 6% aluminum 4% vanadium, i do know that some people on ebay sell shit that they say is titanium because its titanium colored which is bullshit like selling a gold plated bar calling it real gold. but as for specific gravity you must be aware that the titanium is surely alloyed with something. so who knows the percentages...... another test is to give it a quick hit with a cut off wheel if the sparks are orange then its probably just carbon steel if they are reddish with shorter sprigs probably stanless and if the sparks are bright fricking white then it is titanium alloy

[SOHC_STUDENT]

Thats great info about the spark color.

I've learned my lesson about buying stuff like this off ebay... It's too easy for someone to pass of one metal for another.

[Chiovnidca]

another funny thing is that if you are talking about the specific gravity, well are you talking about pure titanium??????? you must realize that most titanium used in hardware would usually be 6AL4V titanium which the alloy is 6% aluminum 4% vanadium,
His auction stated they were 6AL4V. S/G should be 4.43 for that.

[sakenaction]

well spark test them if they arent 6al4v you could do a paypal dispute and get your money back... wait dont spark test them.... but if they arent what they are claimed to be then you should have no problem with paypal giving you your dough back.

[9295EJ-t]

If the retainers are not Titanium it would be easy to tell. Simply put a magnet to them. If the magnet sticks then the retainers have some phosphorus metals
in them and its a low quality Titanium or not titanium at all. If its chromoly the magnet will stick.
Thanks javier
phosphorus is magnetic?? do you mean Ferrus/ferrum (Fe/iron)?

just a lil something that confused me... im pretty good with chemicals and metals, and i have to say, i have never heard of alloying with phosphorus...
i also believe that ferrus metals are the only magnetic metals..

just trying to clear some stuff up...