Honda Rear Mount Turbo?

[samuraiz]

After working on my new CRX for a few weeks, I've come to realize that it's basically impossible to fit a turbo under the hood of that car with the AC equipment and I was wondering if any of you have ever heard of a rear mount turbo setup for a Honda or even any small 4cyl?

[94lxcivic]

never seen or heard of one

[slebidia]

I had a turbo on my CRX with AC. It was a Greddy kit but I'm planning another AC compatible setup right now.

[samuraiz]

I had a turbo on my CRX with AC. It was a Greddy kit but I'm planning another AC compatible setup right now.

Although I'm still very much interested in the rear mount turbo, How? The stock exhaust manifold is less than an inch from the AC condesor fan. Sure you could replace it with a slim fan, but that's only going to get you a few more inches...

[singlecizam]

saw this this a couple months ago... here ya go!


http://videos.streetfire.net/video/8af9e56c-348c-4f8c-a163-2a45585751e4.htm

[slebidia]

Although I'm still very much interested in the rear mount turbo, How? The stock exhaust manifold is less than an inch from the AC condesor fan. Sure you could replace it with a slim fan, but that's only going to get you a few more inches...

Every little bit helps. I lost a lot of skin on the radiator. Going with a half size radiator will give you a little room but then you either have to get creative with mounting the radiator or buy an aftermarket front crossmember.

How big of a turbo are you trying to fit?

[sohcturbo]

here ya go... rear mounted turbo kits make good power
http://www.ststurbo.com/

[samuraiz]

Every little bit helps. I lost a lot of skin on the radiator. Going with a half size radiator will give you a little room but then you either have to get creative with mounting the radiator or buy an aftermarket front crossmember.

How big of a turbo are you trying to fit?

A small one, this car is to be a daily driver, with all the steps you've mentioned, it sounds like a rear setup wouldn't be much more complex, other than fabbing everything yourself, I'm also attracted to the reduced need for an intercooler that comes with a rear turbo system, plus the perpendicular muffler arrangement of the CRX gives you a little bit of room to work with.

[samuraiz]

here ya go... rear mounted turbo kits make good power
http://www.ststurbo.com/

I just came across this site, but where is the honda section?

[slebidia]

A small one, this car is to be a daily driver, with all the steps you've mentioned, it sounds like a rear setup wouldn't be much more complex, other than fabbing everything yourself, I'm also attracted to the reduced need for an intercooler that comes with a rear turbo system, plus the perpendicular muffler arrangement of the CRX gives you a little bit of room to work with.

You'll need to solve the oil supply and return issues on a rear mounted system. If you use a log manifold that is AC compatible it's really not a big deal to mount the turbo up front.

[samuraiz]

You'll need to solve the oil supply and return issues on a rear mounted system. If you use a log manifold that is AC compatible it's really not a big deal to mount the turbo up front.

Do you have any pictures of your setup? Or any other CRX turbo setup that kept AC? I just find it hard to believe it's possible without either tremendous expense or extra work.

[slebidia]

Do you have any pictures of your setup? Or any other CRX turbo setup that kept AC? I just find it hard to believe it's possible without either tremendous expense or extra work.

It will be cheaper than buying that STS system that's for sure. I don't have any pics. It was just a Greddy 92-95 Civic turbo and manifold. Any of the 92-2000 kits that retain AC should work. You might have to work with the radiator or radiator fans one some of the non-Greddy kits.

[samuraiz]

It will be cheaper than buying that STS system that's for sure. I don't have any pics. It was just a Greddy 92-95 Civic turbo and manifold. Any of the 92-2000 kits that retain AC should work. You might have to work with the radiator or radiator fans one some of the non-Greddy kits.

I don't plan on buying an STS kit given that they don't offer one for my application, but there are still alot of things that make the rear turbo sound appealing.

[ryan89crx]

either buy some slim fans for your full size, or a half rad with a slim fan. with a little custom fabwork it should fit

[samuraiz]

Why has nobody tried a rear turbo system on a honda? Does it require the air flow of a larger displacement engine to get the turbo spinning effectively?

[Leo7677]

Why has nobody tried a rear turbo system on a honda? Does it require the air flow of a larger displacement engine to get the turbo spinning effectively?

Tell me how you`re going to route your oil drain with a rear mounted turbo. With the turbo mounted up front the oil simply drains back into the pan - with a rearmount setup oiling gets much more complicated.

rearmount turbo on a civic = stupid.

[ardevas09]

that would be some crazy stuff though

[rattmann316]

here ya go... rear mounted turbo kits make good power
http://www.ststurbo.com/

beat me to it...

[samuraiz]

Tell me how you`re going to route your oil drain with a rear mounted turbo. With the turbo mounted up front the oil simply drains back into the pan - with a rearmount setup oiling gets much more complicated.

rearmount turbo on a civic = stupid.

First off, i'm not actually doing this, i'm only researching the possibility, I don't know how i'd do it yet, that's why I made this thread, to try to answer a few of those questions.

This is STS's solution to that problem:
"Our system uses the engine's pressurized oiling system to supply the turbocharger. This pressurized oil travels approximately 12 feet through tubing which dissipates heat out of the oil just like an oil cooler to provide cool oil to the turbocharger. The oil is then scavenged from the turbocharger via an electric oil pump which returns the oil to the engines valve cover through another long length of tubing which again cools down the turbo-heated oil before entering the engine."

Your second statement is very ignorant without an explaination. It is definately possible given the evidence that running a rear mount turbo on a civic (or in my case, a CRX) is stupid. Yet, neither you nor anyone else has explained why it will be any more complicated than a rear mount turbo on any other vehicle, other than the fact that there are currently no kits available.

[TurboMaster]

Tell me how you`re going to route your oil drain with a rear mounted turbo. With the turbo mounted up front the oil simply drains back into the pan - with a rearmount setup oiling gets much more complicated.

rearmount turbo on a civic = stupid.
its really not too hard to get them too work in the back you need to set up a seperate oil supply,i use a shureflo pump meant for orchard irrigation from a local place its only 100.00 and is easy to buy when you factor all things in its way cheaper and better for the turbo to be in the rear,and yes ive done one and working on the second

[ryan89crx]

when you factor all things in its way cheaper and better for the turbo to be in the rearhow do you figure? please explain this...

[TurboMaster]

how do you figure? please explain this...
First off no turbo manifold to buy,no upgraded radiator or slim fans or losing ac/ps the turbo runs cooler and without contaminated oil it doesnt need a turbo timer,im doing my current setup for about 700$ but thats cheating cuz i weld.

[ryan89crx]

First off no turbo manifold to buy,no upgraded radiator or slim fans or losing ac/ps the turbo runs cooler and without contaminated oil it doesnt need a turbo timer,im doing my current setup for about 700$ but thats cheating cuz i weld.you still have to buy all the piping for charge pipes to the motor, plus flanges and custom braces to hold the snail up - $
turbo runs cooler? heat helps spool snails, not just air
you dont always need upgraded rad or fans
not losing a/c or p/s doesnt save money
turbo timers are not necessary

this might be the same price as a regular HMT kit(my first was $700 and could have been cheaper) but the amount of fab work is going to be far greater. plus you wont be able to run as big of a turbo because of lag issues and inability to spool because lack of heat.

this would be a cool little project, just to say that you've done it and to be original. but is it as practical as a standard setup? probably not...

[TurboMaster]

you still have to buy all the piping for charge pipes to the motor, plus flanges and custom braces to hold the snail up - $
turbo runs cooler? heat helps spool snails, not just air
you dont always need upgraded rad or fans
not losing a/c or p/s doesnt save money
turbo timers are not necessary

this might be the same price as a regular HMT kit(my first was $700 and could have been cheaper) but the amount of fab work is going to be far greater. plus you wont be able to run as big of a turbo because of lag issues and inability to spool because lack of heat.

this would be a cool little project, just to say that you've done it and to be original. but is it as practical as a standard setup? probably not...
like i said i weld and pipe costs next to nothing,and i will say this as 100% fact...NO LAG ISSUES WHATSOEVER

[ryan89crx]

like i said i weld and pipe costs next to nothing,and i will say this as 100% fact...NO LAG ISSUES WHATSOEVERbut you are trying to encourage more people to try this, and not everyone welds their own stuff...

have you ran the exact same turbo on the exact same motor to compare spool times? i highly doubt they will spool the same. the exhaus has to build pressure all the way back to the turbo, and the charge pipes have to build pressure all the way back to the TB. thats going to be quite different than the snail just hanging off the head and a few feet of charge pipes.

[TurboMaster]

but you are trying to encourage more people to try this, and not everyone welds their own stuff...

have you ran the exact same turbo on the exact same motor to compare spool times? i highly doubt they will spool the same. the exhaus has to build pressure all the way back to the turbo, and the charge pipes have to build pressure all the way back to the TB. thats going to be quite different than the snail just hanging off the head and a few feet of charge pipes. i guess the reason im so into it is that im kinda worn out on the same old turbo stuff so for me its a whole new setup,and the things i thought of right off when i first heard of the idea were,lag,running too cool,oiling issues,etc but after doing the first one im anxious as hell to to do more,because nowadays when you have a regular turboed civic,its kinda like owning stock

[bigwig]

This thread is dumb. Rear mount turbo kits overall are less efficient than standard turbo setups. If you don't know why, then you are an idiot. The only purpose in the world there is for rear mount turbo setups is for engine bays that are packed to the gills. CRX with a D-series does not fit in this category. To get AC with a CRX you just need to buy slimmer fans, a small turbo, custom exhaust manifold, and smaller downpipe. Not rocket science.

PS: Don't do something to be different. Do it because its more efficient.

[B20BbenN]

First off no turbo manifold to buy
How can you squeeze more than , let say 240hp, through a stock exhaust manifold and <2 inch exhaust:confused:
You need to buy a header......at least!
A rear mount turbo setup work, but have a power limit!
Do you mount an intercooler somewhere or the charge pipe are too long and it dissipates heat out of the air ? hehe j/k;)

[samuraiz]

Heres an exerpt from the FAQ at STS, they have the answers to a few questions I had, along with the answers to a few things I didn't think of. If it seems like too much to read, just skip to the last three questions.

# With the turbo so far back, don't you get a lot of turbo lag?
No, our turbochargers are sized to operate at this remote location. Just like any turbocharger, once the turbo is up to temperature and in the rpm range for which it was designed to operate. The boost comes on hard and fast. All of our systems will produce full boost below 3000 rpm.

If you were to take a conventional turbo and place it at the rear, you would have lots of lag and consequently, our turbo wouldn't work properly if mounted up front.
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# Doesn't water get into your engine with the filter mounted down low?
No, every kit includes either a snorkel kit which locates the air filter high in the rear quarter panel or an air filter shield. We also include an Outerwears Dry Charger which is a "sock" that protects the filter under very dusty or wet conditions. The only thing you don't want to do is completely submerge the filter. This would draw water through the filter and into the intake tubing. For most vehicles that would mean you would have water coming in your doors before you'd have a problem with the turbo's air filter.
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# Without a muffler, how does the vehicle sound?
The turbo does an amazing job of muffling sound. Most people think it sounds like a performance muffler. You can add a high flow muffler to the system, but most of our customers like the performance sound with just the turbo.
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# How long does it really take to install your system?
Average install times are about 8 hours for first timers. Our install techs usually spend 4-6 hours for a typical install.
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# With so long of intake and exhaust tubes, doesn't it take a while for the boost to build up?
No, our intake tubing volume is about the same as most conventional turbo setups that are running a front mounted intercooler, and less than many of them that run large intercoolers. We aren't talking about a small compressor filling up a large air tank, we are talking about a huge compressor filling up a very small volume which only takes a fraction of a second. Our systems compress the intake tubing in about .05 seconds. So much for turbo lag...
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# How is the turbo lubricated?
Our system uses the engine's pressurized oiling system to supply the turbocharger. This pressurized oil travels approximately 12 feet through tubing which dissipates heat out of the oil just like an oil cooler to provide cool oil to the turbocharger. The oil is then scavenged from the turbocharger via an electric oil pump which returns the oil to the engines valve cover through another long length of tubing which again cools down the turbo-heated oil before entering the engine.
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# With the turbo located under the fuel tank on the Camaro, doesn't it heat up the fuel?
We have done temperature testing on this issue and found that the factory heat shield does a great job of preventing the transfer of heat into the fuel tank. The temperature of the air on top of the heat shield only rose about 15F higher than ambient temperature with a full boost run. The only time you might see an increase in actual fuel temperature would be during extensive stationary dyno testing when there isn't any substantial airflow around the turbocharger and rear of the car. We recommend running a full tank of gas for any dyno testing.
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# What happens if something goes wrong with the oil pump?
In the event of an oil pump failure, the system is equipped with an alarm which will sound inside the vehicle to warn you that you are experiencing an oil system problem so that you can prevent any damage to the turbo or engine. This alarm is designed to warn you of any problems with the oil pump well before a complete shutdown of the pump.
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# If water hits the hot turbo, will it crack?
Seems like it might when you first think about it, however, when I asked the Garrett engineers this questions they just laughed. There is a big difference in water splashing on a hot turbo and submerging it in enough water and fast enough to really cool it down fast. Both the new turbocharged Vette systems and the new Porsche systems sit the turbo down low and exposed to water and anything else that goes under a car.

Plus, our turbos just don't get that hot and when weather conditions are such that there is a lot of water around, you can't push enough boost to get the turbo hot anyway because you'd just spin the tires.
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# Is a turbo timer or pre-lube device necessary with your system?
No, the turbocharger temperatures on our systems are approximately 500F cooler than turbo temps on conventional systems so the oil doesn't get hot enough to carbonize in the turbocharger bearings. With the turbocharger located where it is exposed to ambient air rather than trapped under the hood, the turbocharger quickly cools down as well so cool down times after runs don't need to be 5 to 10 minutes. As far as pre-lubrication, our system incorporates our "Wet Start" system which keeps oil at the turbo inlet at all times so that the turbocharger has an instant oil supply at start up.
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# Do I need to put headers on to optimize the turbo system?
No, the extra expense and work to install aftermarket headers isn't necessary. Headers are designed to eliminate backpressure in the exhaust system and facilitate exhaust scavenging and flow on normally aspirated engines. Turbocharged engines work on slightly different principles. Namely, there is exhaust "Pressure" between the cylinder heads and the turbocharger because the turbocharger is the smallest diameter orifice in the exhaust system. The turbine housing gets smaller in diameter to increase the velocity of the exhaust gasses before they hit the turbine wheel. This is how you get 100,000 rpm wheel speeds.

Turbocharged exhaust gas pressures can see as high as 30+ psi on high boost applications. So spending money on higher flowing exhaust components designed to lower exhaust backpressure is usually a waste of money. This money would be better spent on an upgraded turbocharger which would produce more efficient boost with less backpressure or just spending the money on upgrading the engine and fuel system to handle more boost.
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# Doesn't heat create the velocity in the exhaust gasses to spool the turbo?
No, heat doesn't create velocity. Heat creates volume. If you look at any of the physics laws for gasses, you will find that pressure and volume and heat are related. PV=NRT is a popular one, The V isn't for velocity, it is for Volume.

The turbine housing is what creates the velocity. The scrolling design that reduces the volume of the exhaust chamber as it scrolls around causes the gasses to have to increase in velocity and pressure to maintain the same flow rate.

Hotter gasses have more volume, thus requiring a higher A/R which in effect means that it starts at say 3" and scrolls down to approximately 1". Lower temperature gasses are denser and have less volume, so they require a lower A/R housing which would start at the same 3" volume, as the turbine housings use standard flanges, and scroll down to say 3/4".

Now if you were to reverse the housings in application, the conventional turbo would spool up extremely quick, at say around 1500 rpm but would cause too much backpressure at higher rpms because the higher volume of gas couldn't squeeze through the 3/4" hole without requiring a lot of pressure to force it through. On the reverse side, the remote mounted turbo with its cooler denser gasses, wouldn't spool up till say around 4000 rpms but once spooled up would make efficient power because it doesn't require hardly any backpressure to push the lower volume of gas through the larger 1" hole.
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# How efficient is the intercooling from your tubing?
At 5 to 6 psi we typically get at least 50% intercooler efficiency numbers from our systems and some of the truck systems which have better exposure to cold air are even better. Combine this with a pressure drop of only about 1/4 to 3/4 psi and it makes for very good numbers.

Testing on our LS1 produced the following results:

Turbo outlet temps at 5 psi boost were 175F and intake temps were 115F which is about 52% efficient.

Turbo outlet temps at 8 psi boost were 225F. This is a 50F increase with only 3 psi added to turbocharger boost.

For those wanting to run more boost we recommend a front mounted intercooler. We sell bolt-on solutions for the Hemi and the GTO. We will be coming out with more applications soon.
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# Isn't there a huge pressure drop with such long intake tubes?
No, if the pipes were 100' long there would be but we are only talking a few extra feet and we size the charge air tubing so that it will flow without a large pressure drop. We typically will get about 1/4 to 3/4 lb difference between the turbo compressor and the intake manifold, which is nothing compared to the pressure drop across an intercooler. With high boost applications, these numbers will increase slightly.
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[superdewey58]

i actually read the whole thing

[samuraiz]

i actually read the whole thing

I'm glad someone did! You just made the post worthwhile!!

[X292J]

A local shop to me has exprience in doing things like this. UMS tuning, (also the cheapest place so far in the vally for C16 fuel.)
Remote mount turbo, their demo car for this setup was on a mitusbishi eclipse.. like 2001 model.
They had the turbo and WG all the way by the tail pipe. An oil pump of some sort was placed right before the oil intake part of the turbo. The exaust section to the turbo looked like a one peice deal also.

[samuraiz]

There's a rear turbo GTO in my town that I drool over whenever i'm behind him at a light.

[bigwig]

Wow, STS like to make things up a lot. Most of what they said there is either completely invalid or completely misleading. They apply ideal gas law when discussing air velocity as if heat doesn't equate to energy. Shit give me a break. Then they claim there is little to no pressure drop, yet pressure drop is absolutely necessary when temperature drops. So very little pressure drop generally means very little temperature drop. Congrats on fucking up basic college level physics and chemistry STS. I'm proud of you!

[samuraiz]

Thanks for dropping by, I'm sorry I missed your post or I would have replied sooner.

This thread is dumb.
First I want to compliment the way you present yourself as an unbiased open minded individual. Then I would like to point out that this thread is not dumb, it is here to discuss the pros and cons of a rear mount turbo system as opposed to a traditional turbo system, specifically in regard to a CRX.

Rear mount turbo kits overall are less efficient than standard turbo setups. If you don't know why, then you are an idiot.
I don't know why, in fact, I don't know many people who do know why, I guess that means we're all idiots. I have some speculation as to why a rear turbo might create less boost at a given RPM, but I have to assume that's what you're talking about. For all I know you might be talking about the engine's fuel efficiency.

The only purpose in the world there is for rear mount turbo setups is for engine bays that are packed to the gills. CRX with a D-series does not fit in this category.
It is interesting to note, that Squire's Turbo Systems (www.ststurbo.com) only offers rear mount turbo systems for large vehicles with very large engines, which I would guess (since I have never owned nor worked on such a vehicle) have substantially less cramped engine bays than a CRX. Apparently someone thinks that there are other purposes for a rear mount turbo.


PS: Don't do something to be different. Do it because its more efficient.
If efficiency were my only concern, I wouldn't be on a performance site in the first place.

[bigwig]

I don't need to be an unbiased open minded individual. I understand basically how a turbo system should be setup to be efficient. Remote mount setups go against basic turbo theory. If you don't understand basic turbo theory, then you won't understand why this is a bad idea unless you drive a vehicle with a very tight engine bay. This is who STS markets their systems to. Try installing a single or twin turbo system in a LT1/LS1 Camaro/Trans Am. Then compare the job to doing a turbo system in a Civic/CRX/Integra. I bet the Honda/Acura is far easier to get the job done. With the remote system, it makes it so the LT1/LS1 guy can install the kit with relative ease and still have forced induction. The kits design is more of a function of ease than anything else. With a Honda/Acura you don't have these issues using a standard turbo setup, so there is no reason to do otherwise.

The system is inefficient because they claim there is no extra lag when thats false. Heat = energy. If the exhaust doesn't cool down when traveling 8-10', then the outside temperature is probably 300-500*. Thicker aluminum trying to exchange heat to the outside is less efficient than an intercooler. Surface area and material volume kind of prove this. Their claim of low pressure drop is hooey as with temperature drop comes pressure drop. Who doesn't want temperature drop in the intake? Its just a bad idea.

[98_4drCivic]

This thread is full of ignorance. Im going back to my F-body site now.

[Leo7677]

This thread is full of ignorance. Im going back to my F-body site now.

LOL. To all you "geniuses" here who think a rearmount turbo on a civic is a good idea - go build a kit, dyno it and post the results here. If it works AND it costs the same as a normal turbo kit you will shut up all the haters here. Until then I think it is the stupidest idea on earth.

P.S. you think getting your axle back muffler stolen sucks just wait till your fancy rearmount turbo gets ripped off by some thief. Last thing I`d want is my blingy rearmount turbo stolen by some jerkwad.

Bigwig, as always you make very good points. You can talk till your blue in the face but some morons never listen. Noobs can go ahead and think this setup is a good idea, they`re the people who`ll never have a turbo kit on their car anyway.

[Clutchmaster]

it almost seems easier to have one of those than a regular setup

[TurboMaster]

LOL. To all you "geniuses" here who think a rearmount turbo on a civic is a good idea - go build a kit, dyno it and post the results here. If it works AND it costs the same as a normal turbo kit you will shut up all the haters here. Until then I think it is the stupidest idea on earth.

P.S. you think getting your axle back muffler stolen sucks just wait till your fancy rearmount turbo gets ripped off by some thief. Last thing I`d want is my blingy rearmount turbo stolen by some jerkwad.

Bigwig, as always you make very good points. You can talk till your blue in the face but some morons never listen. Noobs can go ahead and think this setup is a good idea, they`re the people who`ll never have a turbo kit on their car anyway.
the turbo is mounted in the trunk,and as far as i know its never been done to a civic so when its done i will have the answers,i guess theres no way to really argue over it without any evidence,peace

[ryan89crx]

This thread is full of ignorance. Im going back to my F-body site now.ignorance? id trust Bigwig's word over pretty much anyone...

[samuraiz]

LOL. To all you "geniuses" here who think a rearmount turbo on a civic is a good idea - go build a kit, dyno it and post the results here. If it works AND it costs the same as a normal turbo kit you will shut up all the haters here. Until then I think it is the stupidest idea on earth.

P.S. you think getting your axle back muffler stolen sucks just wait till your fancy rearmount turbo gets ripped off by some thief. Last thing I`d want is my blingy rearmount turbo stolen by some jerkwad.

Bigwig, as always you make very good points. You can talk till your blue in the face but some morons never listen. Noobs can go ahead and think this setup is a good idea, they`re the people who`ll never have a turbo kit on their car anyway.

Jeez, ONE person on here thinks a rear mount turbo is a good idea, I simply find it to be an interesting alternative that hasn't been explored to it's full potential. Yes, I am a self-admitted turbo noob, I just wanted to have a civilized discussion about it. These are the results I've found; One person has actually tried this on a small displacement engine and found it to work very effectively. Many people have thought about trying this and dismissed it as too complicated and unconventional and inefficient. I do not deny that bigwig and Ryan have brought up a very good point, moving the turbo to the rear will bring about a decrease in the temperature and thus pressure of the air feeding the turbo. However, and this may be due to my inexperience, I feel that this is not a substantial enough claim to completely discredit the concept.

[93reddelsol]

Only gay people like it in the rear.... you can see alot of F bodys around texas with turbo under the car right where the exhaust should be.

[samuraiz]

Only gay people like it in the rear.... you can see alot of F bodys around texas with turbo under the car right where the exhaust should be.

What do you think their reasoning is? (other than homosexuality) Do they also claim to have a cramped engine bay?

[4drturboD]

it's not really more complex i don't think. it's just been proven that adding a turbo anywhere in a civic can create packaging issues. there's always a way to do it there;s just never enough space. as for the oiling system i've seen people run a seperate electric pump with a small tank to create an independant oiling systen.

[93reddelsol]

What do you think their reasoning is? (other than homosexuality) Do they also claim to have a cramped engine bay?
Just to be different, most people will look at just be like oh you have an intake.... Ebay cramped I assure you its not.

Edit : http://videos.streetfire.net/hottestvideos/3/8AF9E56C-348C-4F8C-A163-2A45585751E4.htm there is a video I found of a rear mounted turbo.

[Leo7677]

Only gay people like it in the rear.... you can see alot of F bodys around texas with turbo under the car right where the exhaust should be.

A rearmount is fine on an F-body. I heard about the rearmount setup YEARS ago, this is nothing new. Until there are hard numbers and pics of a civic setup it will be considered stupid to me...just do a conventional turbo setup like every other setup around here and make big power.

[samuraiz]

A rearmount is fine on an F-body. I heard about the rearmount setup YEARS ago, this is nothing new. Until there are hard numbers and pics of a civic setup it will be considered stupid to me...just do a conventional turbo setup like every other setup around here and make big power.

Why is a rear mount fine on a Mustang but not on a Honda? Please explain your reasoning. Are you saying it's stupid because nobody has tried it? The video of the integra posted claims "4psi 252fwhp. ls-vtec 12:1 compression" Which sounds like a pretty poorly thought out build, suggesting that much better results are possible.

[93reddelsol]

I think there would be alot of turbo lag, all that piping..

[TurboMaster]

This thread is dumb. Rear mount turbo kits overall are less efficient than standard turbo setups. If you don't know why, then you are an idiot. The only purpose in the world there is for rear mount turbo setups is for engine bays that are packed to the gills. CRX with a D-series does not fit in this category. To get AC with a CRX you just need to buy slimmer fans, a small turbo, custom exhaust manifold, and smaller downpipe. Not rocket science.

PS: Don't do something to be different. Do it because its more efficient.
oh just slimmer fans a small turbo a custom manifold and a small downpipe???that's all ok nm i will forget the project then,and as for doing something different,you can copy everyone else,i will choose my own way

[Leo7677]

Why is a rear mount fine on a Mustang but not on a Honda? Please explain your reasoning.

If you can`t read what Bigwig has already written in this thread about why this is stupid, why should I waste my time trying to explain it to you?

Where`s this video of a high compression pigtegra with 4 miserable psi? 252whp is lame in a boosted ls/vtec.

You go ahead and do your uber-jdm rearmount, you`ll be the king of honda-tach.

noob.

[superdewey58]

jeez everyone is so defensive, personally i think its a cool idea, im not sure if the pros will out weigh the cons, but it wound be an awesome experiment to do

[samuraiz]

If you can`t read what Bigwig has already written in this thread about why this is stupid, why should I waste my time trying to explain it to you?

Where`s this video of a high compression pigtegra with 4 miserable psi? 252whp is lame in a boosted ls/vtec.

You go ahead and do your uber-jdm rearmount, you`ll be the king of honda-tach.

noob.

Chill out dude, I said it was an interesting alternative, I definately don't have the welding ability to produce something like this, there's no need to go name calling, neg rep for you.

You wanna see the video? SCROLL UP It's a few posts up ON THIS PAGE.

EDIT
Thanks superdewey58, you hit the nail on the head, this is escalating way too quickly, all I wanted to know is if anyone had heard of a rear turbo setup on a honda and I got my answer, I didn't realize I'd be flamed to hell for my curiosity. I firmly agree that it would be a very interesting experiment, but definately beyond my current abilities.

[lsturbohatch10]

i like the idea. i think its cool and it seems it would work perfect for what you want. which is a full street car with a little more pep. it will be cheaper than a normal setup. maybe its not good for 400 whp. but its would be great for someone who wants a little more pep.

[kyle h.]

and it continues...

[vtecduck]

If you can`t read what Bigwig has already written in this thread about why this is stupid, why should I waste my time trying to explain it to you?

Where`s this video of a high compression pigtegra with 4 miserable psi? 252whp is lame in a boosted ls/vtec.

You go ahead and do your uber-jdm rearmount, you`ll be the king of honda-tach.

noob.
He was asking a ?. Chill out, you have no room to call anyone a noob or flame someone esp with a whole 39 post. People learn from asking ?'s.

[kendog]

Im doing a turbo with a/c on my 91 hatch with d16a6 right now.I have the turbo on the car,with the intercooler mounted in front of the passenger side fender.I used a ihi rhb5 from a ford probe because their small turbos.I removed the a/c condenser fan and that gave the room for the turbo.I also used a manifold from a hf, and cut from the middle of the flange up about a half of inch and over towards the dist. off and welded a steel plate there,and made my own flange to mount the turbo with enough offset to miss the a/c compressor.I do plan to make another manifold that flows better,but this set up does make 7psi easy.I still have to charge my a/c and i am going to try to run it with just the radiator fan.I will post and let you know how it works.

[Leo7677]

He was asking a ?. Chill out, you have no room to call anyone a noob or flame someone esp with a whole 39 post. People learn from asking ?'s.

Oh yeah, I forgot that postcount means you know how to work on cars here at Dseries.org. BTW I`ve been registered here since 2003. I hardly ever come around though because of all the noobness here.

[vtecduck]

Oh yeah, I forgot that postcount means you know how to work on cars here at Dseries.org. BTW I`ve been registered here since 2003. I hardly ever come around though because of all the noobness here.
I guess since you're a honda tech you know everything and never have to ask ?'s. That's why the site is here, for people to ask ?'s and learn from other people. If you don't agree with that, the log out button is on the top right ;)

[superdewey58]

i wish i had a good "owned" picture to post right now

[vtecduck]

i wish i had a good "owned" picture to post right now
will this work for ya? :lol:
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e22/jasonwilliams10/owned.jpg

[superdewey58]

lmao

[ryan89crx]

oh just slimmer fans a small turbo a custom manifold and a small downpipe???WTF are you talking about??

[98_4drCivic]

http://www.kcsr.org/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

I don't understand why people can't be open minded.

[ryan89crx]

http://www.kcsr.org/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

I don't understand why people can't be open minded.its not about being open minded. its about doing things efficiently, and making the most power while doing so. if you think its such a great idea, awesome! build the kit. but tyring to convice others that its such a gret idea when in reality its not just doesnt make sense.

these kits work against all common knowledge when it comes to turbo. factors that have been posted over and over. if you want to dismiss the studies about thermodynamics, thats your choice. just remember that it doesnt make it a good one...

[98_4drCivic]

its not about being open minded. its about doing things efficiently, and making the most power while doing so. if you think its such a great idea, awesome! build the kit. but tyring to convice others that its such a gret idea when in reality its not just doesnt make sense.

these kits work against all common knowledge when it comes to turbo. factors that have been posted over and over. if you want to dismiss the studies about thermodynamics, thats your choice. just remember that it doesnt make it a good one...
Yep, you're right. I know nothing, you know everything. What about all of the people that put intercoolers on their setups that are 10x too big for how much power they're making?

The extra amount of air that has to be compressed in a rear mount setup is minimal, especially in a car as small as a CRX. Its not like there is 10 extra feet of piping. Realisticly, its not a whole lot different than a conventional setup, other than the obvious oiling issue.....buuuuut, since its different, its a stupid idea. To be honest, I would never build a rear mount setup in a honda...however, in an LS1 F-body, you bet your ass I would. (and don't say because you have to, given the room under the hood. There are plenty of f-bodies with conventional turbo setups running around :TU:)

While I agree that a rear mount setup NEVER will be as efficient as a conventional setup, I don't think its a horrible idea. STS's facts ARE way off base, and almost seem "ricerish" (no need for a muffler, and the kits have a great tuuuuurbo sound loler), but the fact of that matter is that these kits DO work....and there have been many sub 10sec. STS cars.;)

I really don't understand why you guys are just trying to flame, when you should be encouraging someone to try it if they want to. After all, it isn't YOUR money, is it? Putting together a project on somoeone elses coin is never a bad thing ;)

[TurboMaster]

Yep, you're right. I know nothing, you know everything. What about all of the people that put intercoolers on their setups that are 10x too big for how much power they're making?

The extra amount of air that has to be compressed in a rear mount setup is minimal, especially in a car as small as a CRX. Its not like there is 10 extra feet of piping. Realisticly, its not a whole lot different than a conventional setup, other than the obvious oiling issue.....buuuuut, since its different, its a stupid idea. To be honest, I would never build a rear mount setup in a honda...however, in an LS1 F-body, you bet your ass I would. (and don't say because you have to, given the room under the hood. There are plenty of f-bodies with conventional turbo setups running around :TU:)

While I agree that a rear mount setup NEVER will be as efficient as a conventional setup, I don't think its a horrible idea. STS's facts ARE way off base, and almost seem "ricerish" (no need for a muffler, and the kits have a great tuuuuurbo sound loler), but the fact of that matter is that these kits DO work....and there have been many sub 10sec. STS cars.;)

I really don't understand why you guys are just trying to flame, when you should be encouraging someone to try it if they want to. After all, it isn't YOUR money, is it? Putting together a project on somoeone elses coin is never a bad thing ;)don't worry man ryan always has to be right

[ryan89crx]

Yep, you're right. I know nothing, you know everything.when did i ever say that? just because i dont agree with putting this kit on a Honda doesnt mean that im sayng you dont know anything. that actually sounds completely childish...

The extra amount of air that has to be compressed in a rear mount setup is minimal, especially in a car as small as a CRX. Its not like there is 10 extra feet of piping. Realisticly, its not a whole lot different than a conventional setup, other than the obvious oiling issue.....buuuuut, since its different, its a stupid idea. To be honest, I would never build a rear mount setup in a honda...however, in an LS1 F-body, you bet your ass I would. (and don't say because you have to, given the room under the hood. There are plenty of f-bodies with conventional turbo setups running around :TU:) isnt that what ive been saying the whole time?? i said this is NO GOOD FOR A HONDA!!!!!! i never said ANYTHING about F-bodys or Mustangs. the amount of room under those hoods is nothing compared to a Honda.

While I agree that a rear mount setup NEVER will be as efficient as a conventional setup, I don't think its a horrible idea. STS's facts ARE way off base, and almost seem "ricerish" (no need for a muffler, and the kits have a great tuuuuurbo sound loler), but the fact of that matter is that these kits DO work....and there have been many sub 10sec. STS cars.;) ding ding ding!! SAME thing ive been saying the whole time!!!

I really don't understand why you guys are just trying to flame, when you should be encouraging someone to try it if they want to. After all, it isn't YOUR money, is it? Putting together a project on somoeone elses coin is never a bad thing ;)have i flamed? nope. i even said that i give props for originality and doing something different.

it seems like you get all bent out of shape if someone disagrees with you in the slightest. like you are some god of performance and what you say should be written in stone. :hammer:

its the internet, not everyone is going to agree with you. take it with a grain of sand...

[ryan89crx]

don't worry man ryan always has to be rightoh thats right, because i think logically :hammer:

you havent contributed to this thread in the slightest, you have no room to talk.
arent you the same dumbass that joined calling yourself a "guru" and encouraged people to ask you anything because you are a mad tyte genious??

douchebag...

[98_4drCivic]

CRX engine bays are quite cramped if the stock radiator is left in place, which is why I was saying it would make sense. Since I wouldn't own a CRX, and that is the only situation that I could see a rear mount setup actually being worth while on, obviously I wouldn't even think about starting that project. :lol:

My only problem is that people (not just you ryan) are saying that it is completely retarded to do a setup like the one mentioned...which is completely false. I think its a cool idea and i'd like to see the finished project.

[ryan89crx]

CRX engine bays are quite cramped if the stock radiator is left in place, which is why I was saying it would make sense.i managed to fit my log mani/t3/ext WG combo in mine with the stock rad. if i still had a/c im positive i could have kept that as well.
My only problem is that people (not just you ryan) are saying that it is completely retarded to do a setup like the one mentioned...which is completely false. I think its a cool idea and i'd like to see the finished project.i understand that, my main point is that this type of setup isnt going to be as efficent, harder to fab, and wont make as much power as a standard turbo setup.

like i said before, props for being original

[S Q A D]

ask you anything because you are a mad tyte genious??

douchebag...

BBWHAHAHAHA

mad tyte honda scientist in da house

" I got VTEC tattoed on my back dawg "

[samuraiz]

these kits work against all common knowledge when it comes to turbo. factors that have been posted over and over. if you want to dismiss the studies about thermodynamics, thats your choice. just remember that it doesnt make it a good one...

I would be interested in reading the results of some of these thermodynamics studies that you've mentioned.

So the consensus i'm hearing is that a rear turbo is less efficient than a front turbo, though an acceptable alternative when there is no space available for a front turbo? It still seems odd to me that rear turbos can only be found on larger displacement vehicles (that GTO blew past me again today) when I would expect small cars to have the more cramped engine bays.

[TurboMaster]

when did i ever say that? just because i dont agree with putting this kit on a Honda doesnt mean that im sayng you dont know anything. that actually sounds completely childish...

isnt that what ive been saying the whole time?? i said this is NO GOOD FOR A HONDA!!!!!! i never said ANYTHING about F-bodys or Mustangs. the amount of room under those hoods is nothing compared to a Honda.

ding ding ding!! SAME thing ive been saying the whole time!!!

have i flamed? nope. i even said that i give props for originality and doing something different.

it seems like you get all bent out of shape if someone disagrees with you in the slightest. like you are some god of performance and what you say should be written in stone. :hammer:

its the internet, not everyone is going to agree with you. take it with a grain of sand...so when you said to me in a private message "you're a bitch and you know it"and then you called me "turbomasterbater"i should just let that adult type talk go right?and i get bent out of shape by aguing about something i know about from real experience not like you

[B20BbenN]

Remove your spare tire and put everything there!(closed compartment) Wastegate, turbo, piping, BOV and hide the charge pipe in the center console of somewhere else....and run an intercooler in the from But hide the charge pipe before the intercooler. Good port job, good header, 9.5 to 10:1 c.r.

Except the fact that the turbo will build boost later and probably less boost(than a normal turbo setup), imagine the face of people when you open your hood and people see a n/a D-serie engine(w/cai...) running in the 12 sec 1/4 mile MOUHAHAHAHA!!!

If you properly size the turbo exhaust housing w/proper compressor too, I think you will still be able to boost at least 15 psi....no?

Rear mount or front mount turbo, I like the idea of a seperate oil system for the turbo!!!

[TurboMaster]

Remove your spare tire and put everything there!(closed compartment) Wastegate, turbo, piping, BOV and hide the charge pipe in the center console of somewhere else....and run an intercooler in the from But hide the charge pipe before the intercooler. Good port job, good header, 9.5 to 10:1 c.r.

Except the fact that the turbo will build boost later and probably less boost(than a normal turbo setup), imagine the face of people when you open your hood and people see a n/a D-serie engine(w/cai...) running in the 12 sec 1/4 mile MOUHAHAHAHA!!!

If you properly size the turbo exhaust housing w/proper compressor too, I think you will still be able to boost at least 15 psi....no?

Rear mount or front mount turbo, I like the idea of a seperate oil system for the turbo!!!very well put,and the seperate oil supply is awsome on the eclipse i built,P.S. the turbo is in the spare tire well on it too.

oh thats right, because i think logically :hammer:

you havent contributed to this thread in the slightest, you have no room to talk.
arent you the same dumbass that joined calling yourself a "guru" and encouraged people to ask you anything because you are a mad tyte genious??

douchebag...so im a bad guy for offering people help?so i called myself a guru???? so what,i didnt know it would upset you so much,but anyway ive turboed at least 20-25 cars and a couple bikes,but i guess a few hundred more and i can offer people help? ok with you?

[ryan89crx]

so when you said to me in a private message "you're a bitch and you know it"and then you called me "turbomasterbater"i should just let that adult type talk go right?and i get bent out of shape by aguing about something i know about from real experience not like youthose werent PMs dumbfuck. it was neg rep...

real experience? you keep "talking" about the mass setups you've had, but when you have been asked repeatedly to show pics/dyno graphs you just seem to ignore that. sounds legit to me :hammer:
so im a bad guy for offering people help?so i called myself a guru???? so what,i didnt know it would upset you so much,but anyway ive turboed at least 20-25 cars and a couple bikes,but i guess a few hundred more and i can offer people help? ok with you?help? you havent helped in the slightest. you bring NO technical info, NO proof to back your claims, all you do is SAY that its been done. talking isnt helping.

dont think you called yourself a GURU??
mad tyte motherfucking guru right here y0!! GTFO!
http://www.d-series.org/forums/showthread.php?t=43102


20-25 cars? i call bullshit, like i said before you have provided no proof whatsoever that you have done any type of setup. anyone that spends time on the various internet forums could have as much knowledge as you...

[samuraiz]

Awww, and I actually thought the thread was getting back on track...

[TurboMaster]

those werent PMs dumbfuck. it was neg rep...

real experience? you keep "talking" about the mass setups you've had, but when you have been asked repeatedly to show pics/dyno graphs you just seem to ignore that. sounds legit to me :hammer:
help? you havent helped in the slightest. you bring NO technical info, NO proof to back your claims, all you do is SAY that its been done. talking isnt helping.

dont think you called yourself a GURU??
mad tyte motherfucking guru right here y0!! GTFO!
http://www.d-series.org/forums/showthread.php?t=43102


20-25 cars? i call bullshit, like i said before you have provided no proof whatsoever that you have done any type of setup. anyone that spends time on the various internet forums could have as much knowledge as you...i never said i didnt call myself a guru but what would you call someone that has done all there own work since 8 years old(with my dad's help back then/and all his air force issue snap on tools)starting with my 1973 honda z50?and if you need proof im open to visitors i live in hinsdale new hampshire my name is charlie and i worked at alteration station in greenfield MA,also i owned a nitrous company,theres alot of people that know who i am,maybe some members?

[ryan89crx]

i never said i didnt call myself a guru but what would you call someone that has done all there own work since 8 years old(with my dad's help back then/and all his air force issue snap on tools)starting with my 1973 honda z50?and if you need proof im open to visitors i live in hinsdale new hampshire my name is charlie and i worked at alteration station in greenfield MA,also i owned a nitrous company,theres alot of people that know who i am,maybe some members?big deal, everyone and their dog has worked on cars. doesnt make you anymore special than everyone on this board. and 8 years doesnt make you a Guru BTW :TD:

this still isnt tech, and doesnt bring any proof/help to this thread. where the fuck are the pics/stats/sheets from this mythical DSM you put a rear turbo on??

[TurboMaster]

big deal, everyone and their dog has worked on cars. doesnt make you anymore special than everyone on this board. and 8 years doesnt make you a Guru BTW :TD:

this still isnt tech, and doesnt bring any proof/help to this thread. where the fuck are the pics/stats/sheets from this mythical DSM you put a rear turbo on??it is located in greenfield MA owned by my friend matt he lives on plantaion circle anyone is welcome to come see you will freak,also we will be bringing it to a car show in brattleboro and we are currently talking with a couple magazines so you may see pictures sooner than you think

[ryan89crx]

it is located in greenfield MA owned by my friend matt he lives on plantaion circle anyone is welcome to come see you will freak,also we will be bringing it to a car show in brattleboro and we are currently talking with a couple magazines so you may see pictures sooner than you thinkthis babble doesnt mean anything to me, it isnt what i asked. put up or shut up :slap:

[TurboMaster]

this babble doesnt mean anything to me, it isnt what i asked. put up or shut up :slap:you realize how you are making yourself look to everyone here right?

[ryan89crx]

you realize how you are making yourself look to everyone here right?lol, you realize how dumb im making YOU look? you come here and act like you are all badass and that you have done this type of setup and everyone should be just like you, yet you fail to show any proff of your "handiwork"

give me a fucking break. you are a liar, a fake, and have NO experience with this type of setup. maybe a "freind" of yours did it and you saw it, but i can garaun-fucking-tee that you have NEVER had a hand in any type of project like this. let alone the "20-25" cars you've turbo'd :bull:

quit trying to skirt around proving yourself. changing the subject will NOT help you...

[jimmyb34]

you realize how you are making yourself look to everyone here right?


maybe you should go back and read what you saying.. all you are doing is portraying youself to be an all knowing honda tech.. when asked to show proof of what youve done you NEVER reply.... show us some pics, numbers, a full setup or something and it wont be liek this.. until then enjoy the "pm's" lol

[TurboMaster]

lol, you realize how dumb im making YOU look? you come here and act like you are all badass and that you have done this type of setup and everyone should be just like you, yet you fail to show any proff of your "handiwork"

give me a fucking break. you are a liar, a fake, and have NO experience with this type of setup. maybe a "freind" of yours did it and you saw it, but i can garaun-fucking-tee that you have NEVER had a hand in any type of project like this. let alone the "20-25" cars you've turbo'd :bull:

quit trying to skirt around proving yourself. changing the subject will NOT help you...
look i DON'T OWN A DIGITAL CAMERA!!!!and where the hell is there a dyno around here???im sure someone has a digital thats near me, speak up if you want to see the eclipse

[vtecduck]

I wanna see pics and some kind of proof myself, untill then
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e22/jasonwilliams10/post/222452_208.jpg

[hondalover22]

nice

[TurboMaster]

I wanna see pics and some kind of proof myself, untill then
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e22/jasonwilliams10/post/222452_208.jpg
i understand why,theres alot of posers,im working on getting the owner to send pics to my email

[TurboMaster]

big deal, everyone and their dog has worked on cars. doesnt make you anymore special than everyone on this board. and 8 years doesnt make you a Guru BTW :TD:

this still isnt tech, and doesnt bring any proof/help to this thread. where the fuck are the pics/stats/sheets from this mythical DSM you put a rear turbo on??
i said "8 years old"that makes 32 years of working on honda's on and off,ive owned a ton of honda's and so has my family,so when i post pics you going to call BS then?

[bigwig]

This thread is dumb.

[TurboMaster]

maybe you should go back and read what you saying.. all you are doing is portraying youself to be an all knowing honda tech.. when asked to show proof of what youve done you NEVER reply.... show us some pics, numbers, a full setup or something and it wont be liek this.. until then enjoy the "pm's" lolthis is one of the build pics im trying to get more

[samuraiz]

This thread is dumb.

Thanks, you're so full of useful contributions, I thought we already discussed your attitude. You are now in time out, go put your nose in the corner and don't come out untill I say it's ok.


Seriously now, please stop shitting on my thread, if you don't like it, you don't have to look at it, unsubscribe and you'll never hear from me again.

EDIT
I had to fix the quotes because when I quoted your post, there was nothing, because you didn't actually SAY anything.

[samuraiz]

this is one of the build pics im trying to get more

In case anyone is wondering Google search of the filename: "6new matts turbo 179 (2).jpg" Didn't return any results. I know that's not proof of anything, but in my book: Credibility +1

[TurboMaster]

In case anyone is wondering Google search of the filename: "6new matts turbo 179 (2).jpg" Didn't return any results. I know that's not proof of anything, but in my book: Credibility +1
thank you for that it really is true i just wish all the hating would stop,i realize that calling myself a "guru"was gonna piss someone off but i didnt realize how much,so for that im sorry but i have done what i say i have,thanks to all the good guys out there,and he also sent pics of my del sol build but thats a front mount

[builthatch]

the thread was fine until unfounded claims were made regarding the benefits of a rear turbo setup. as usual it came down to personal attacks and became solely a waste of bandwidth.

a RMTS very well might have some benefits, but these are not obvious to me other than being able to alleviate space issues in a super cramped engine bay. I will go to my grave believing a turbo inches away from the exhaust ports is superior in most, if not all ways, to one that is mounted yards away from the exhaust ports.

if anyone wants to rip on another member of the board in this thead, consider it closed. if you want to battle opinions on the subject-matter of the thread's title and forced induction sub-forum, have at it...

[superdewey58]

none of u know shit

if u really want power and a more effective set up, come see my RMTS (roof mount turbo system)

cooler temeratures, quicker spool time, its all there

[TurboMaster]

none of u know shit

if u really want power and a more effective set up, come see my RMTS (roof mount turbo system)

cooler temeratures, quicker spool time, its all there
LOLOLOL

[TurboMaster]

how do you figure? please explain this...

2004 SEMA Show

STS participated in the 2004 SEMA Show as an exhibitor in booth #20444. The show was a huge success! It was great to meet many of the STS Power Dealers and to show the product to the press.

The highlight of the show was award ceremony where STS was given the 2004 Best High Performance Product award.

A close second was Thurdsday morning at the SEMA Proving Grounds where the GTO, Ram Hemi, LS1 Camaro, Chevy 6.0L Truck and Acura Integra performed flawlessly. The cars were driven by professional drivers from the ESPN Russel Racing School. One of the drivers, Patrick McCarthy, said, "These turbo systems spooled quicker than any other turbo I've ever driven. The power comes on smooth and is very controllable, giving a great throttle response."

[TurboMaster]

After working on my new CRX for a few weeks, I've come to realize that it's basically impossible to fit a turbo under the hood of that car with the AC equipment and I was wondering if any of you have ever heard of a rear mount turbo setup for a Honda or even any small 4cyl?you might want to look at sts turbo systems,they have done an integra with good results

[ryan89crx]

look i DON'T OWN A DIGITAL CAMERA!!!!and where the hell is there a dyno around here???and here come the excuses...

if you had the know-how, tools, and tech experience to be able to fab a setup like this up, im sure you could afford a digital camera.

just admit it, you are taking credit for someone else's work. you probably saw this at your local speed shop and now you are the one that put it together. seriously, nobody is going to believe the bullshit you spew...

[TurboMaster]

and here come the excuses...

if you had the know-how, tools, and tech experience to be able to fab a setup like this up, im sure you could afford a digital camera.

just admit it, you are taking credit for someone else's work. you probably saw this at your local speed shop and now you are the one that put it together. seriously, nobody is going to believe the bullshit you spew...i can easily afford it i just dont have one,you asked for pics didnt you?i offered to have anyone come and see it in person what more can i do?

and here come the excuses...

if you had the know-how, tools, and tech experience to be able to fab a setup like this up, im sure you could afford a digital camera.

just admit it, you are taking credit for someone else's work. you probably saw this at your local speed shop and now you are the one that put it together. seriously, nobody is going to believe the bullshit you spew... this is my friends garage in MA where the car was built,same place my del sol got built

[ryan89crx]

ok, since there is no "tech" in this thread im going to have to lock it.

nobody believes you, so just stop. if you want to have another rear-mount turbo thread fine, but bring TECHNICAL info into it, or it will be locked as well...