from norcal

[daliumong]

Hey, my name is mike, I'm a highschooler from the bay area, california, the tuner/ricer and smog crackdown capitol of the world.

This summer, I was thinking of starting a project car. Originally, I thought about sticking a b16 (I had been doing research for damn near 4 months now) in some EF (88-91) Honda, but then I realized all the pain and suffering and money I would have to go through to get that thing reffed and pass smog here in california. I decided it would be easier to get a JDM VTEC d15b motor and pass it off as a USDM d15b motors that are so common here in the states.

well, thats my story

[NEP-tuningalltheway]

if i were you id just run a jdm sohc zc less trouble from the pigs

[cory jordan]

haha there's no fooling the state ref, well maybe to a certain extent, a jdm motor is fine , as long as you have your emissions all straight, its tagged and smogged, no one should bother you, makes sure all of your shit is carb legal/certified, and you will be good, b16's are played out and over priced, the demand for the motor has caused an inflation in the price when its not worth any more than anyother motor, i mean, no more technology is applied, anyways enough bashing on the b16...
i have the jdm d15b vtec, and no problems here, it smogged witha greddy turbo kit, i wouldnt worry,about that motor
and the 88-91 crx is a great platform to work with, i have one =). 89si jdm d15b vtec turbo,

for what you buy the b16 for you can buy the d15 and turbo it, <makes more sense, dare to be different =P.
keep us updated

[ventturei26]

if ur going to spend all the money getting a jdm motor get a jdm d16z. or get a 99-00 b16a2 from a 99-00 civic si, (VERY easy to pass smog and reff in cali)

[NEP-tuningalltheway]

haha there's no fooling the state ref, well maybe to a certain extent, a jdm motor is fine , as long as you have your emissions all straight, its tagged and smogged, no one should bother you, makes sure all of your shit is carb legal/certified, and you will be good, b16's are played out and over priced, the demand for the motor has caused an inflation in the price when its not worth any more than anyother motor, i mean, no more technology is applied, anyways enough bashing on the b16...
i have the jdm d15b vtec, and no problems here, it smogged witha greddy turbo kit, i wouldnt worry,about that motor
and the 88-91 crx is a great platform to work with, i have one =). 89si jdm d15b vtec turbo,

for what you buy the b16 for you can buy the d15 and turbo it, <makes more sense, dare to be different =P.
keep us updated
the only thing wrong with the b16 is theres no tq throw a gsr block in there youll be fine i had a 90 integra w/ a jdm b16 swap in it w/ a cat back and it was tuned my friends cx hatch d16z6 turbo barley got me by a fender due to my bald tires put some good tires on same race got him buy a car (but he could always crank the boost a tad and pull on me )

[k1dfreeze]

welcome...what part of the yay u stay at?

[cory jordan]

come on bro, he's in highschool, idk maybe he's rich but,i have a good job and i would have a hard time buying a gsr motor, hah well i have kids and a mortgage, but what ever, not the point, there is never gonna be a lot of torque, unless you go cr-vtec, b20 bottom end and b16 head, but for the price and power i'd look into the jdm d15b vtec. or the usdm z6, cant beat em, they are dime a dozen 550-700 bucks. some even come with tranny's for that price ,*jdm d15's, but its your call these are just ideas

[NEP-tuningalltheway]

come on bro, he's in highschool, idk maybe he's rich but,i have a good job and i would have a hard time buying a gsr motor, hah well i have kids and a mortgage, but what ever, not the point, there is never gonna be a lot of torque, unless you go cr-vtec, b20 bottom end and b16 head, but for the price and power i'd look into the jdm d15b vtec. or the usdm z6, cant beat em, they are dime a dozen 550-700 bucks. some even come with tranny's for that price ,*jdm d15's, but its your call these are just ideas
you can pick up gsr blocks for pretty cheap man 300-500 bones, you can swap a 1stgen b16 for 1200 bucks or you can piece a poormans together pretty cheap man just need to look around before doing anything.

gsr block 300-500
b16 head 400-600
wire harness not to hard ls harness from a integra wire in vtec
obd0 b16 ecu about 80 bucks
b16 tranny 300 bucks

at the most out of that 1480 hed have a really strong power plant to start building with.

d-series turbo is a great bang for the buck, but if you want a power full and reliable n/a motor run a b or k

i like the d its cool being the under dog and laughin at ppl when you beat them w/ a sohc but i love n/a so its poormans all theway when it comes to n/a

[ventturei26]

id perdonally do a d16z6, nothin better for the money. and later u can pretty much get a turbo kit from the salvage yard laying around nor cal. (look under the hood of any mistsu elcpse

[decev]

Welcome and hi from NorCal, well CenVal.

[cory jordan]

at the most out of that 1480 hed have a really strong power plant to start building with.


what? ^^

oh i thought you meant like a b18 swap, thats why i said that, i know but on a budget for turbo, idk if thats where he's going, but d is where its at, pieces are cheap and 200-220 h/p in a crx is gonna pwn all
. its close for a b series swap and bolt ons.*d series turbo vs b series with bolt ons. price wise, i just dont think your gonna get 80 hp outta cams and all the bolt ons in the world , the b series compression ratio is higher than a d, for stock boost d seems to figure out better, *maybe im wrong*



but for some reason i just always thought of the b16 as being at its limits natrually aspirated, thats 100h/p per litre, turbo is really the only way to gain real power with out losing money, *exc. cams. but shit they can be as much as a diy turbo setup. <this is just my op.




*SIN-VAL* central valley d represent,
rock out with your sohc out =)

[NEP-tuningalltheway]

what? ^^

oh i thought you meant like a b18 swap, thats why i said that, i know but on a budget for turbo, idk if thats where he's going, but d is where its at, pieces are cheap and 200-220 h/p in a crx is gonna pwn all
. its close for a b series swap and bolt ons.*d series turbo vs b series with bolt ons. price wise, i just dont think your gonna get 80 hp outta cams and all the bolt ons in the world , the b series compression ratio is higher than a d, for stock boost d seems to figure out better, *maybe im wrong*

but for some reason i just always thought of the b16 as being at its limits natrually aspirated, thats 100h/p per litre, turbo is really the only way to gain real power with out losing money, *exc. cams. but shit they can be as much as a diy turbo setup. <this is just my op.
=)
yea like i said d-series turbo best bang for the buck. we made 220whp off a poormans R NEP-tuned 220 n/a whp pwns 240whp boosted the setup is for sale right now for 5100 installed w/ itr tranny stage 3 clutch and a 11lbs flywheel and tuned NEPtune ecu,

[decev]

*SIN-VAL* central valley d represent,
rock out with your sohc out =)

If it weren't for the sin I'd have nothing to do here. Or make any extra cash.

[cory jordan]

What The Fuck God Damned Fucking Web Page I Just Did Like 3 Page Fucking Write Up And I Went To Post It And It Told Me I Wasnt Signed In, Shit, I Fdasoiafsdo;afdso;a Fuck, It Was Such A Good Post,
Son Of A Bitch,


***i think it was my fault, no disrespect****

[cory jordan]

i dont think that 20h/p in a car is gonna make it slower given that both cars were the same chassis with the same weight and same driver, *factors being only being turbo lag and traction, , you may be right idk your the tuner , im stilla noob, but here, your set up is 5100 installed right, lets break it down
5100 plus the cost of a car, or what it cost you to buy the car your gonna have the swap put into, 88-91 crx shell with no damage and clean title 1000-1200 dollars.. now your gonna need to buy tires for the car because its putting out 220h/p and walmart tires aint gonna cut it, *the itr lsd should help .but thats 200+ for tires now your into it for about 6500.
crx clean shell 1000
jdm d15b vtec with tranny all sensors completed head and manifold 750dollars shipped, new seals and gaskets * rear main seal cam seal oil pangasket waterpump timing belt thermostat misc*hoses plugs and wires, 400 bucks,
motor swap 600 bucks,
lsd +bearings and install 450
tires 200.
greddy turbo kit 1562 shipped
new bov *greddy 200 bov
intercooler 150
or a diy turbo kit
***** a dsm bov 30
side mount intercooler 30,
h.f manifold 20
adapter plate 30
dsm td04 15g turbo or
or a t3/t4 turbo 50-200
rebuild kit 100 ******
chipped p28 150 bucks,
oil line kit 75 bucks,
crower stage 2 turbo cam with springs and retainers plus install 750
arp head studs 135
cometic head gasket 75,
turbo timer 100
ebc 120
out come 6567 or so. new bov greddy kit and bov and intercooler, turbo timer
or diy turbo kit inc. dsm bov and side mount intercooler, same set up 5215 or so

^prices were figured on high end, i know it seems like the n/a motor would be cheaper,
but the 6,567 set up will smoke most anything and it is done right, not 1/2 ass. not saying the n/a is, just most swaps and turbos dont get the full potential due to bad inst. or lazyness.
idk im all about go fast and look like shit,lol so my cost was actually 700 dollars less cuz i bought my crx for 300 bucks,

the motor with gasket and studs would be fine from 0-10psi of boost *with a good tune*

i dont mean to offend you NEP, just showing what some one like me can do on a budget =),

NOTE: do not forget that part of going fast is stopping, i havent tackled brakes in this but they are crucial, and so is suspension, dont skimp on brakes, not good to only go fast once and then crash,

[JaredKaragen]

<==== Just south of San Jose.... hit me up sometime!

[cory jordan]

who were you talking to?

[decev]

There's actually gettin to be some nor cal d-series heads on here. We need a BBQ not necesarilly a meet but atleast a beer drinkin event.

[JaredKaragen]

hell yeah, I was talking to the poster of this post... daliumong... and it kinda trails off to you bay area dudes too....

HEll yeah Decev... you need to hear that bad-ass sound that comes out the intake now..... sounds pretty wicked above 7Krpm's =P

Ill try putting a stage mic in my engine bay and getting it on film 4 ya.

[k1dfreeze]

theres been hella norcal heads on here, but we all went into hiding in the past couple months...with the exception of mel of course

[NEP-tuningalltheway]

i dont think that 20h/p in a car is gonna make it slower given that both cars were the same chassis with the same weight and same driver, *factors being only being turbo lag and traction, , you may be right idk your the tuner , im stilla noob, but here, your set up is 5100 installed right, lets break it down
5100 plus the cost of a car, or what it cost you to buy the car your gonna have the swap put into, 88-91 crx shell with no damage and clean title 1000-1200 dollars.. now your gonna need to buy tires for the car because its putting out 220h/p and walmart tires aint gonna cut it, *the itr lsd should help .but thats 200+ for tires now your into it for about 6500.
crx clean shell 1000
jdm d15b vtec with tranny all sensors completed head and manifold 750dollars shipped, new seals and gaskets * rear main seal cam seal oil pangasket waterpump timing belt thermostat misc*hoses plugs and wires, 400 bucks,
motor swap 600 bucks,
lsd +bearings and install 450
tires 200.
greddy turbo kit 1562 shipped
new bov *greddy 200 bov
intercooler 150
or a diy turbo kit
***** a dsm bov 30
side mount intercooler 30,
h.f manifold 20
adapter plate 30
dsm td04 15g turbo or
or a t3/t4 turbo 50-200
rebuild kit 100 ******
chipped p28 150 bucks,
oil line kit 75 bucks,
crower stage 2 turbo cam with springs and retainers plus install 750
arp head studs 135
cometic head gasket 75,
turbo timer 100
ebc 120
out come 6567 or so. new bov greddy kit and bov and intercooler, turbo timer
or diy turbo kit inc. dsm bov and side mount intercooler, same set up 5215 or so

^prices were figured on high end, i know it seems like the n/a motor would be cheaper,
but the 6,567 set up will smoke most anything and it is done right, not 1/2 ass. not saying the n/a is, just most swaps and turbos dont get the full potential due to bad inst. or lazyness.
idk im all about go fast and look like shit,lol so my cost was actually 700 dollars less cuz i bought my crx for 300 bucks,

the motor with gasket and studs would be fine from 0-10psi of boost *with a good tune*

i dont mean to offend you NEP, just showing what some one like me can do on a budget =),

NOTE: do not forget that part of going fast is stopping, i havent tackled brakes in this but they are crucial, and so is suspension, dont skimp on brakes, not good to only go fast once and then crash,
this motor in a integra rs pulled 12s @ 4200 ft above sea level.

when some one buys this motor there gettin one hell of a deal
gsr block completely rebuilt about 2500 miles on it
b16 head built and a damn fine head job
b16 intake mani ported
itr header
password carbon intake
NEPtune ecu allready tuned w/ the motor

if you look at it this way a BASIC gsr swap would run a about 3800-4grand installed and thats a stock motor.

figure in the b16 head with the port n polish valve job all the goodies stage 3 cams titanium valves,springs and retainers, ported b16 intake mani all thats gonna run over 3grand and then the NEPtune and time and tuning on top of that 350 for the ecu and another 450 for the tune. now the itr tranny and the clutch n flywheel. if you think about it this swap in stalled in a crx would pull pretty good fuckin times and would have great reliability for a dd.

but my friend who is sellin this motor just built a boosted d16z6 for this guy i belive it pulled a high 11 or a low 12 in a eg its fuckin sik remeber 4200ft above sealeve

[cory jordan]

that is a good deal, good motor and sound build,
hah, we both agree on the d series, but good luck with the motor, and keep on tuning =) hells yah
im sure that set up i pieced together would be comparable, im just a sucker for a turbo =P, cant wait till i can get my pistons and rods and up the boost. there is no replacement for displacement but there is always technology:TU:

[daliumong]

haha there's no fooling the state ref, well maybe to a certain extent, a jdm motor is fine , as long as you have your emissions all straight, its tagged and smogged, no one should bother you, makes sure all of your shit is carb legal/certified, and you will be good, b16's are played out and over priced, the demand for the motor has caused an inflation in the price when its not worth any more than anyother motor, i mean, no more technology is applied, anyways enough bashing on the b16...
i have the jdm d15b vtec, and no problems here, it smogged witha greddy turbo kit, i wouldnt worry,about that motor
and the 88-91 crx is a great platform to work with, i have one =). 89si jdm d15b vtec turbo,

for what you buy the b16 for you can buy the d15 and turbo it, <makes more sense, dare to be different =P.
keep us updated


i wasn't planning to fool the ref, just planning to pass it off as a stock d15 that came with the car and get it smogged that way, I'm still a little fuzzy on the details of smogging, but i'm going to do a little more research this spring break on that subject

and about your jdm d15b vtec turbo, what tranny did you mate with the engine? i dont want to deal with the hassle of hydraulic to cable conversion.

[daliumong]

welcome...what part of the yay u stay at?


im right smack in the junction of saratoga, cambell, fremont, sunnyvale and san jose,

if you're not familiar with the bay area that means im in cupertino. this little city is so small.

and in response to cory jordan's next post
Yes, i am a high school student, meaning i dont have loads of money, which is the primary reasons i got my heart set on a d series motor, i think my budget for this little project is about 4500, and that's including the car i'll have to buy, and maybe some suspension goodies. not a very high budget, i know, but hey, im just starting out.

[daliumong]

<==== Just south of San Jose.... hit me up sometime!


i'll take a raincheck, but i'll probably take you up on that this summer

[NEP-tuningalltheway]

4500 is a good amount of cash man

hatch or crx you can pick up for around 1grand or 2grand for a decent si, hmt kit 800 bucks rest of the money you can throw into suspension and tuning

[cory jordan]

i wasn't planning to fool the ref, just planning to pass it off as a stock d15 that came with the car and get it smogged that way, I'm still a little fuzzy on the details of smogging, but i'm going to do a little more research this spring break on that subject

and about your jdm d15b vtec turbo, what tranny did you mate with the engine? i dont want to deal with the hassle of hydraulic to cable conversion.

umm there is no usdm d15b, its either the b2 or the b7 so on and so forth, if they look at the code, which is p08 * or the engine code*D15b they will know its a jdm motor, or know at least it isnt a usdm motor,

and as for the tranny i used the 89 crx si tranny with a hf 5th gear to bring the gear ratio to 4.23 ,

and i figured you didnt have all kinds of money, but if you look around and take your time, you will have plenty of money to build your self a great car,

[daliumong]

umm there is no usdm d15b, its either the b2 or the b7 so on and so forth, if they look at the code, which is p08 * or the engine code*D15b they will know its a jdm motor, or know at least it isnt a usdm motor,

and as for the tranny i used the 89 crx si tranny with a hf 5th gear to bring the gear ratio to 4.23 ,

and i figured you didnt have all kinds of money, but if you look around and take your time, you will have plenty of money to build your self a great car,

about the p08 ecu, i'm not planning to use that. I'm planning to use a p28 ecu chipped with p08 maps.

I know there is no usdm d15b, but im hoping to take my car over to some average joe to have it smogged that will think that the engine in my car is the stock engine. from the pictures, the two look similar enough. That is what i'm also hesitant to go with some headers/manifolds/intake/exhaust, because that would undoubtedly draw attention to my car. I bet even lowering my car or throwing on some lighter wheels will make an average joe look twice before smogging my car.

I'm hoping i can get it smogged this way, because i know there is no way in hell in going to get it past a ref for a bar sticker. I just hope that my motor burns clean enough to pass. Also, there's a question thats been tickling my ribs for a while. I keep on reading about the evap something purge solenoid that is apparently supposed to help with emissions, taking vapors from the gas tank and spitting them into the manifold or something. Any information on this would be greatly appreciated, especially from someone looking to get a car smogged in california.

Thanks in advance

[k1dfreeze]

im right smack in the junction of saratoga, cambell, fremont, sunnyvale and san jose,

if you're not familiar with the bay area that means im in cupertino. this little city is so small.

and in response to cory jordan's next post
Yes, i am a high school student, meaning i dont have loads of money, which is the primary reasons i got my heart set on a d series motor, i think my budget for this little project is about 4500, and that's including the car i'll have to buy, and maybe some suspension goodies. not a very high budget, i know, but hey, im just starting out.
ah, i kno where that is, i have friends/teammates in them parts...theres a lot of new members on here from around your parts, us veterans are all spread out, sac-stockton-redding-sf-ukiah-everywhere

[cory jordan]

about the p08 ecu, i'm not planning to use that. I'm planning to use a p28 ecu chipped with p08 maps.



I'm hoping i can get it smogged this way, because i know there is no way in hell in going to get it past a ref for a bar sticker. I just hope that my motor burns clean enough to pass. Thanks in advance

what i meant was the head code, p08, they cant verywell check your ecu , well they can, but what ever,

and i always thought that if you go over to the place and get it smogged, take it to the ref, have it pass visual and then the smog test and you get certified, maybe im wrong, im not too sure on tha whole bar sticker thing or state ref for that matter

[kimsuprapa]

:shocked:

[cory jordan]

*looks around, over shoulders, what was it somethin i said?:confused:
:oops:

[decev]

I think that the smog machine tells them what type of ecu, the year manu. and the vehicle orginally manun. for. I've not had to see a ref myself, but I've been told they know their crap and look at everything.

[daliumong]

theres the smog referee centers, where you have to go through a visual and other stuff to get the bar sticker, which legalizes your engine swap so you can get your car smogged wherever.

Then, there are those peeps at the gas stations with the dynos and the smog machines that you can just come in, they stick the thing that picks up hydrocarbons, nox, etc. For this to happen, your car must either be stock, or have a bar sticker showing that your swap has been legalized.

what i'm saying, is that i'm going to stick in a jdm d15b, which from the pictures looks identical to the usdm d15, the stock motor. So, none of this about the ref anymore, im not going to the ref, im going to a gas station to get it smogged. Hopefully, the guy will be gullible enough to think its the stock motor, shouldn't be too hard.

correct me if i'm wrong...

[cory jordan]

im not telling you to do anything illegal, but money talks, you shouldnt have any problem if you have the money, best bet is find a lil rinky dink shop away from all and just ask if it doesnt pass is there "anyway" i can get it to pass,
*this is just an idea, *