Hybrid trans Question

[JDMwagon]

I love the gear ratios in the b16, b18c transmissions. Is there any d-series hybrid trans that will come close to the same ratios? ZC gears with SI final drive??? Anything??? Thanks again.

[OneFastEGg]

Close - Si first and second
ZC Third and Fourth
DX fifth

[S Q A D]

whats the fastest automatic tranny honda makes? is it the ex ?

[davens]

Close - Si first and second
ZC Third and Fourth
DX fifth

first off...use this for reference http://dmoore.com/crx/tranny.htm

Why would he use specifically a si/ex first? They're all the same.
Why a si/ex second...the zc is more evenly spaced, especially if he's going to use the zc 3-4
And the DX is the same 5th as the si/ex. You would have him go out and source dx tranny parts when he already had a si/ex donor from your earlier suggestion.

Just get a zc tranny, use it's 1-4...they're perfect...find a 5th you like for cruising(just make sure the throw from 4th to 5th isn't too long). Pick a final drive that's better then the stock zc 3.88. I like the si 4.25 but a 4.05 will be nice as well.

If you build the tranny gears right, it will give you a better improvement then intake/ headers/ exhaust for about the same money. Except that it's invisible to thieves(and autox officials :twisted: ) and you're Mom can still drive the car without going deaf.

[OneFastEGg]

the first line should of been si/ex.


dx is different then si and ex. Don't believe everything that is in print until you drive them and learn for yourself. You will see they are not the same.

[davens]

okay...a stock si/ex 5th performs different then a stock dx 5th. You're right there

According to the chart, the 5th gears are the same but the final drive is different. The same gear(.702) with a different final drive(4.25 vs 4.05) explains the difference you're claiming.

So what is the dx 5th gear if it's not .702?

And I don't believe everything I read...which is why I'm questioning your suggestion in the first place.

[OneFastEGg]

You said it yourself they perform differently so this hybrid trans would perform differently also. If you want it to be any different cuase your going to bitch about it.

USE A CX FIFTH GEAR MAN YOU CAN DRIVE AROUND AT -29483984908292 RPMS all day.

[davens]

.702 with a 4.05 final drive (stock Dx)
.702 with a 4.25 final drive (stock Si/Ex)

Same 5th gear: .702

The only reason they perform differently in the stock transmssion is because of the differnt final drives.

Build a custom tranny with 4.25 final drive. Put a Dx 5th in it. Try it out. Now put a Si/Ex 5th in it.
The performance results will be the exact same because you're using the same final drive.

A lightbulbs yet egboy?

[OneFastEGg]

:idea: here's mine. Were's yours? :bigugh: Nope can't find it.

[davens]

Nice response...does wonders for your credibility.

[OneFastEGg]

I can care less, look at your charts again and think about what i was explaining to him. It makes sense if you look at it, its kinda obvious. Plus i don't have to explain myself to you. I give you credit for challanging me against my own statement. Anyone can look at already laid out facts and feel like a genius. But i don't I am going by what is in my head and what already has been done in front of me not on paper, and for damn sure not what the internet has to say. Build it with the gears i said if you want, hell even build one for yourself if you want. But i am telling you its very blunt what the difference in the DX is. Just look please before you go ramblin again.

[davens]

You can care less? That's obvious. Quit giving out bogus info with only "I have hands on practical experience..." as a weak ass explanation.

I just looked it up in the 92-95 factory service manual.
All the 92-95 Civics use the same physical 5th gear(.702).

You're a pinhead if you think using a si/ex 5th is going to be any different then using a dx 5th gear in any hybrid transmission you build.

If your goal is to get the last word, you can have it...

[OneFastEGg]

Thanks for the last word.


<--- HOLD LAST WORD IN THE AIR.

thanks beyotch.

[atomikpunx]

dude, you dont understand trannys do you?
why not wonder over to clubsi, and quit giving out bogus info
they perform differn't because of the final drive not the 5th.
here is an example you can use

185/60/14 tires, shifting at 6500rpm

tranny A has gears (zc/ crx si effin motors)
3.250 - 0 mph (orpm) - 31.84mph - 6500 rpm's
1.944 - 31.84 mph (3888rpm) - 53.22mph - 2612 rpm's
1.250 - 53.22 mph (4500rpm) - 76.87mph - 2000 rpm's
.909 - 76.87 mph (4973rpm) - 100.45mph - 1527 rpm's
.771 - 100.45 mph (5540rpm) - 117.84mph - 960 rpm's
fd 4.25



tranny B has gears (eggs)
3.250 (all honda trannys) but you choose si?
1.944 (88-91 si/ex) 1.900 (92-95 si/ex)
1.259 (zc)
.937 (zc)
.771 (88-91 civic ex/dx crx si/std) .702 (si/ex/dx 92-95)
(pick a final drive) wait you didn't.
so your tranny design is incomplete and thus makes you a moron.
so pick a final drive and i can do the math for you too ;-)

all math courtasy of
http://crx.honda-perf.org/math/index.html

[OneFastEGg]

crx........ :idea:

[atomikpunx]

so im guessing your finally seeing the light?

which 88-91 crx final drive

crx basemodel 3.88 (never was a crx dx)
crx si 4.25
crx hf 2.95

or did you want
a 92-95 set?

[OneFastEGg]

see what light?


The thread is totally misread. So in honor of being a swell guy.


You guys can have it. I ain't giving up. I just don't feel like explaining no more. Atomix, i'll just explain it next time before i post.

[atomikpunx]

is it because you have no facts?

do you know how transmission gears work in relation to final drives?

because it seems you really have no clue, and are trying to save face...

let us have it, but arn't giving up? what exactly does that mean...
if you dont have anything to say, dont post whore non-facts.

[atomikpunx]

OneFastEgg (11:17:06 PM): Hello Are you there?
OneFastEgg (11:17:30 PM): Hey, quit being a fuck-head.
OneFastEgg (11:17:32 PM): Peace.

this was left on my aim last night, when i got home from work...
im glad we can discuss things inteligently with facts.

[OneFastEGg]

well you didn't respond so i guess i didn't have anything to reply to. Its nice you wanna show it off to the world.

[atomikpunx]

the away msg' did say i was at work

i work 11pm-4am central standard time.

if you wanted to talk msg me during the day.

and you have yet to use *facts* in this post.

or pick a final drive.

[OneFastEGg]

Seems that i already said i was done with this thread. But those work hours are pretty nuts.

[4sillypwr]

Hahaha this is a funny thread! In case you don't know Davens has experiance actually building hybrid transmissions. Do you?

-David

[OneFastEGg]

Yes, and you have AWESOME experience with bringing back settles topics. now you can go die. Cuase that would be nice.

[4sillypwr]

I do have awsome experiance bringing back month old threads. Thank you for the compliment. I'm touched you think so highly of me. If you want me to die just drive over the grand rapids and make me. Dont get so bent this is the internet.

-David

[OneFastEGg]

Not bent, just laughing at your MAJOR 1337 Sk1LL5 Yo!


no. actually not.

[transzex]

You can care less? That's obvious. Quit giving out bogus info with only "I have hands on practical experience..." as a weak ass explanation.

I just looked it up in the 92-95 factory service manual.
All the 92-95 Civics use the same physical 5th gear(.702).

You're a pinhead if you think using a si/ex 5th is going to be any different then using a dx 5th gear in any hybrid transmission you build.

If your goal is to get the last word, you can have it...

Not ALL 92-95 Civics have the same 5th gear.
5th-----0.750 for Si HB and Del sol Si

OneFastEG, be prepared to be schooled with such bold remarks.

Might never know when the professor is looking around.

http://home.cinci.rr.com/mistab0ne/tranny.html

[transzex]

so im guessing your finally seeing the light?

which 88-91 crx final drive

crx basemodel 3.88 (never was a crx dx)
crx si 4.25
crx hf 2.95

What about the
CRX HF 3.250 FD? 2.95 was a Cail thing.
88 CRX 3.722 FD? a 88 only thing.

"D" tranny guru.

[OneFastEGg]

yes i know who you are bone.

[4sillypwr]

Not bent, just laughing at your MAJOR 1337 Sk1LL5 Yo!


no. actually not.

Well I never really tried to pw3n you. You pw3n yourself just fine.

Transzex are you mistabone?

-David

[davens]

So you're saying the helms manual is wrong on the 5th gear ratios? It wouldn't be the first time but that's usually the most accurate source of information.
I'm completely willing to accept the possibility of different 5ths. So the just the Si/HB and del sol are different, not the EX?

If someone could demonstrate comprehension of how a final drive works, it would help their credibility when they claimed something different then the OEM service manual.

[transzex]

D Transmission guru and ZEX user...............

transzex.........

I B Bone.

[Charles]

D Transmission guru and ZEX user...............

transzex.........

I B Bone.

I think IBBone might be a better name. Mista Bone was good too. Transzex kinda looks like transex.

[OneFastEGg]

lol