2nd patriot act passed.

[juice91si]

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N08355408.htm

http://www.uksociety.org/patriot_act_2_a.htm

http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/patriot2_hitler_powers_bush.htm

http://www.newstarget.com/002477.html

http://www.alternet.org/story/16479

http://www.rickieleejones.com/political/patriotact.htm

bye bye american freedom, i have a spare bedroom if anyone wants it, it's a little cold outside during winter but, at least you can still gather news n' stuff. flame away........

[S Q A D]

what the fuck


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[Apex001]

damn, I guess I wont be buying nukes on ebay anymore. hahahaha

[sleepingrex]

www.infowars.com (http://www.infowars.com/)
www.prisonplanet.com (http://www.prisonplanet.com/)

This is just a beginning of a new time and this is all i can say without getting in trouble.

[makku]

SECTION 313 provides liability protection for
businesses, especially big businesses that spy on
their customers for Homeland Security, violating their
privacy agreements. It goes on to say that these are
all preventative measures â?? has anyone seen Minority
Report? This is the access hub for the Total
Information Awareness Network.

Holy shit! This one is scary as fuck! :TD:

[chasloa]

funny nothing has changed for me since they passed the patriot act.

I think people are making too much out of nothing here

[DOG]

"This is the end. My only friend.........the end"
-Jim Morrison

[vtece-hatch]

funny nothing has changed for me since they passed the patriot act.

I think people are making too much out of nothing here

nothing has changed for me either but i wouldnt say that people are overacting, i definately think that are rights are being pushed to the limit.

[fireant]

As long as you have nothing to hide, the patriot act shouldn't be a problem, but that's assuming it is being used for its "intended" purpose. This act will without a doubt end up being misused in some sinister way by unregulated corporate giants...most likely to greatly benefit the rich at the expense of the poorest.

[Levi]

As long as you have nothing to hide, the patriot act shouldn't be a problem, but that's assuming it is being used for its "intended" purpose. This act will without a doubt end up being misused in some sinister way by unregulated corporate giants...most likely to greatly benefit the rich at the expense of the poorest.

:werd: I could have not said it better myself. I totally agree. It is only a matter of time before everything gets out of hand with the "homeland security" thing.

moving to austrailia is looking pretty good about now though.

[95z6exCoupe]

:werd: I could have not said it better myself. I totally agree. It is only a matter of time before everything gets out of hand with the "homeland security" thing.

moving to austrailia is looking pretty good about now though.

...or Canada! This isnt the first time stuff like this has happened(chopping up the Constitution/US laws) under the guise of something "worthy" *cough* the Drug War *cough*...it is only a matter of time.

and for those that say they personally have'nt been effected(me either)-yet-there's plenty out there who have, and many more to come. :werd:

[fireant]

I'd rather go Aussie or Kiwi than Canada too...the warm weather here in Texas has me spoiled. Its January 4, and its 70°F :)

[95z6exCoupe]

I'd rather go Aussie or Kiwi than Canada too...the warm weather here in Texas has me spoiled. Its January 4, and its 70°F :)

:werd:

although, it is unusually warm here in New Hampshire this year-last year it was highs in the -0*F range at this time of year...its like 48*F out right now!!!

...in all honesty, I would brave the cold of the Artic, to have all the freedoms the Constitution guarantees...without all the "exceptions"(i.e. Patriot Act, version 1.1 and 1.2) that are more and more intruding on it.

[Noeladams]

SECTION 313 provides liability protection for
businesses, especially big businesses that spy on
their customers for Homeland Security, violating their
privacy agreements. It goes on to say that these are
all preventative measures â?? has anyone seen Minority
Report? This is the access hub for the Total
Information Awareness Network.

Holy shit! This one is scary as fuck! :TD:


So they know what microsoft is up to also ;-)

[jarvis606]

this sucks, i hate how a few people can make a law that all theload of us have to live by, and we dont get any say cause we have almost no choice as to who our leaders are...

[rotory20]

So they know what microsoft is up to also ;-)
Yes we do..
Why do you think AOL is also free...
It hijacks your system..
Nerver use AOL..

[fireant]

The RIDERS are what will really get you.

There were extensive RIDERS added to the first HSA that pretty much exempted large pharmaceutical companies from punishment for all kinds of greedy crimes as long as they were in someway providing assistance the government for Homeland Security.

In addition to scheduling the votes right before holidays like Easter or Thanksgiving, they add the riders to the bill during the last few hours of the night before the thing gets voted on, so that nobody wants to attempt the hours of reading through the riders when they are trying to get out the door.

This stuff happens on both ends of the spectrum though. Both parties are rife with greedy shitbirds greasing the palms of thier personal (read: 'indirectly financial') interests.

So what's the autocross scene like in Australia? :P

[rotory20]

Down with microsoft!

[infinatenexus]

this sucks, i hate how a few people can make a law that all theload of us have to live by, and we dont get any say cause we have almost no choice as to who our leaders are...

If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about.

[infinatenexus]

funny nothing has changed for me since they passed the patriot act.

I think people are making too much out of nothing here

Exactly, I guess some people are willing to trade saftey for political correctness.

[Blanco]

Exactly, I guess some people are willing to trade saftey for political correctness.
Much like our Forefathers, some people don't believe in blind patriotism.

[civic2thaflo]

:werd: Much like our Forefathers, some people don't believe in blind patriotism.

:werd:

[akemi27]

better make peace w/ your maker...

[Blanco]

No doubt, because without invading our privacy and revoking our Constitutional rights the American government would be completely useless at defending us. [/sarcasm]

I'm amazed at how quick the American public, at large, is to accept the loss of their inalienable rights.

[fast88]

Much like our Forefathers, some people don't believe in blind patriotism.


:werd:

I'd rather have my rights than be safe. If your looking to be safe move! The Last time I checked the odds of me getting jacked or killed in my own neighborhood by another american are significantly higher than being attacked by a terrorist. But I don't see congress passing the friendly fire act. No one is ever going to be "safe" from terrorism. If you think it's scary now. Just wait. Once enough of our rights and freedoms are taken away, you going to see quite an increse in domestic terrorism. As far as I'm concerned those americans that have died from terrorist attacks were casualties of our right to have those freedoms. They died for our freedom just as thousands have before. It's unfortunate but that's the way it works. I have no problem fighting those who oppress our freedoms be it terrorists, sovereign nations, individuals, or the US government.

The Patriot act is unpatriotic in my view and opinion.

[Blanco]

:werd:

I'd rather have my rights than be safe. If your looking to be safe move! The Last time I checked the odds of me getting jacked or killed in my own neighborhood by another american are significantly higher than being attacked by a terrorist. But I don't see congress passing the friendly fire act. No one is ever going to be "safe" from terrorism. If you think it's scary now. Just wait. Once enough of our rights and freedoms are taken away, you going to see quite an increse in domestic terrorism. As far as I'm concerned those americans that have died from terrorist attacks were casualties of our right to have those freedoms. They died for our freedom just as thousands have before. It's unfortunate but that's the way it works. I have no problem fighting those who oppress our freedoms be it terrorists, sovereign nations, individuals, or the US government.

The Patriot act is unpatriotic in my view and opinion.

:werd:
Move to Canada, nobody gives a damn about that country and some would argue that they even have a better standard of living. And I feel far more threatened by my fellow Americans than I do by Iraqis. I can't even beging to count all of the crap that happened in the neighborhood I used to live in.

[akemi27]

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/former_illuminist.htm

[juice91si]

:werd:
Move to Canada, nobody gives a damn about that country and some would argue that they even have a better standard of living. And I feel far more threatened by my fellow Americans than I do by Iraqis. I can't even beging to count all of the crap that happened in the neighborhood I used to live in.

well, if you like free healthcare, and extreme cold, come to canada.

heres a fun fact:
my university is actually located in the heart of the city's ghetto (if you can call it that) what fun!! there are actually hookers, beggars and bums who sit on the steps asking for money while i'm going to class!! yay

kind of ironic don't you think. i go into school and learn about social groups and the effects of urbanization, then step outside and see first hand what they are talking about! it's like a free field trip!!

[calboi510]

there is nothing patriotic about the patriot act, what irony.

the government is keeping us safe from what? what's to be scared off? i am not scared for my life, especially not from terrorists.

dude, i was reading in the newspaper (local) that some dude could get 50 plus years for tax evasion...you dont even get that much when you kill someone (it depends), i think they care more about money than our safety.

9/11 was just one attack, and could have been prevented if "certain people" were paying attention to certain warnings, dont give me that condoleeza rice crap about the report not being specific enough...

[calboi510]

dude i should stop posting negatively about our government, i dont want the cia to show up and confiscate my lap top because i'm a threat to homeland security...

[chasloa]

9/11 was just one attack, and could have been prevented if "certain people" were paying attention to certain warnings, dont give me that condoleeza rice crap about the report not being specific enough...

why do you have some of Michael Moore's crap to disprove this?

How do you expect this sort of things to be prevented without sacraficing anything?

[makku]

giving the government "carte blanche" is the easy way out for them. I would have expected something much more sophisticated that wouldn't intrude upon normal citizen's rights. I don't have any suggestions, but I'm not one the thousands of government employees paid to come up with these ideas.

Preventative measures would have been nice rather than knee-jerk reactions.