Go after Osama end up with Saddam

[97HatchDXStockr]

Does anyone else find it wierd that this happened?

[gftgrill]

um, we just found him first.

[juice91si]

Does anyone else find it wierd that this happened?

i do. although saddam was a very very bad man, i do not believe the war was justified in it's reasons. i would approve, if the U.N. had backed it, but instead, a sovereign country was invaded. seeing the situation now, yes, some good has come from it (freeing iraqui ppl), but i still believe that if they waited a bit, and gained more support and actually had solid facts, maybe it would have been diferent. is'nt north korea under a dictator, with nuclear capability, and might be a threat as well, why dont they just go after them, when theyre done with iraq, then maybe the rest of the continent as well, what the hell, why dont they just take over the world already.

[97HatchDXStockr]

ok so we go into afghanistan which was justified. but how the hell do we end up in iraq. saddam was doin his thing in Iraq for a hell of a long time, so we just roll up in there and invade them, thats bullshit. North Korea is a way larger danger to the U.S. then fucking saddam, this whole situation is fucked.

[Rexinre]

Where have you been in the last few years? I will answer this tomorrow, but you need to start doing some investigating. Hey I know start by reading a few other threads in this forum we already responded to.

[BseriesKllR]

he's just doing what is avatar says too :wink: wait till rexinre and chasola respond to this :)

[chasloa]

Where have you been in the last few years? I will answer this tomorrow, but you need to start doing some investigating. Hey I know start by reading a few other threads in this forum we already responded to.
Or the past 15 years for that matter. I really don't think it should be your responsiblity to inform people. Maybe if people actually cared they would inform themselves rather than take everything thrown at them from the left and interpret it as a fact.

[Rexinre]

Or the past 15 years for that matter. I really don't think it should be your responsiblity to inform people. Maybe if people actually cared they would inform themselves rather than take everything thrown at them from the left and interpret it as a fact.
Good point... I will sit on this for a while!

[Rexinre]

he's just doing what is avatar says too :wink:
Thats what I thought in the beginning but it seems he could be serious.

[jb2178]

Appearently a lot of people think the US was joking when it said "the military action is intended to defeat terrorists and those who house or harbor them"... I'm not sure why so many people have a problem understanding the connection when it's been repeated time and time again.

Did you watch any of the debates 97HatchDXStockr?
Or did you just want to start a thread of your own?

[D16A6T]

You are saying that Saddam killing his own people is all right. Saddam had been running the country for far too long and it was far too long. The war in Iraq was more about trying to stablize a region and preventing anymore terrorism. Than finding weapons of mass destruction. This should have been put to a stop during desert storm but it didn't. Bush was just finish what we had started. You want to find terrorism talk to some of the guys that have been over there.

[chasloa]

Appearently a lot of people think the US was joking when it said "the military action is intended to defeat terrorists and those who house or harbor them"... I'm not sure why so many people have a problem understanding the connection when it's been repeated time and time again.

Did you watch any of the debates 97HatchDXStockr?
Or did you just want to start a thread of your own?
whoa there!!

you mean we're supposed to hear what was actually said instead of twisting it into what we want to hear?

cut it out with that crazy logic mister!:jesus:

[jb2178]

my bad - damned logic for getting me in trouble agian! :)

I just can't understand the people who think this war is limited to Osama, as if he's the only terrorist in the world and killing/capturing him would solve everything... he's been pinned in the mountains of afghanastan/pakistan for years now and still people are dying everyday because of terrorists - but it's still all about osama? nevermind zarqawi or any of those chechen terrorists... fuck it - this isn't worth my time

[juice91si]

my bad - damned logic for getting me in trouble agian! :)

I just can't understand the people who think this war is limited to Osama, as if he's the only terrorist in the world and killing/capturing him would solve everything... he's been pinned in the mountains of afghanastan/pakistan for years now and still people are dying everyday because of terrorists - but it's still all about osama? nevermind zarqawi or any of those chechen terrorists... fuck it - this isn't worth my time

not sure if you heard or not, but the saerch in the pakistan mtns was called off because they combed the entire region and came up with nothing.

my question is, is it up to america to play the role of world police? is it up to you guys to cure the entire world of it's problems, or only the ones you think you can defeat? is the capture of one man worth the lives of a thousand men, and thousands of INNOCENT PEOPLE? why not wait for U.N. support? or get more allies than britain and poland. right now more than half the world despises america for it's actions, are they wrong to think that, is the war justified by the reasons you were told for going to war?

[jb2178]

everybody is entitled to their opinion - if most of the world thinks we're a bunch of assholes then good for them, they can think what they want (that's the point of freedom).

why not wait for UN support? because the UN like the guy who asked the question starting this thread don't think that when we say something we mean it, how many more resolutions was the UN going to pass without saddam complying? the problem was that nobody was taking any of it seriously besides US and Britain, so we did what should have been done years ago. no WMDs? ok so hind sight really is 20/20, but WMDs wasn't the only point of the resolutions passed by the UN - we also wanted the terrorists who WERE there and he would NOT turn over. so since no WMDs were found saddam is a great guy who should be allowed to rule whatever he wants to and murder anybody he wants to - what happened after we invaded? well syria decided we were serious and we weren't going to take anymore shit - how long did you want us to wait and let saddam continue to financially back terrorists who kill inocent people? 30 more years and then another 40 years of his son doing the same shit, now that sounds like a great plan! jackass...

[juice91si]

terrorists...terrorists...terrorists...terrorists. ..terrorists...terrorists...terrorists...terrorist s...terrorists...terrorists...terrorists...terrori sts...terrorists...terrorists...terrorists...terro rists...terrorists...terrorists...terrorists...ter rorists...terrorists...

scared yet?

so are the united states going to invade every single country that is harbouring a terrorist? or just the ones where there is money to be made and the battle will be won?

and for the small majority of terrorists that may have been in iraq, was a full scale war really the answer? i dont know. is north korea next, because that one may be a little different.

[jb2178]

honestly no - we won't invade north korea - know why? because we don't need to in order to make ourselves and our allies safe from their attacks: http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/12/08/missile.defense.ap/index.html

iraq was different - anytime anybody sticks up for the war in iraq you liberals say "what about north korea" - what about them? that country is in such a mess right now they can't feed their population - I doubt they really have the guts to try something and even if they did it wouldn't work because we've got a defense for it...

[Rexinre]

terrorists...terrorists...terrorists...terrorists. ..terrorists...terrorists...terrorists...terrorist s...terrorists...terrorists...terrorists...terrori sts...terrorists...terrorists...terrorists...terro rists...terrorists...terrorists...terrorists...ter rorists...terrorists...

scared yet?

so are the united states going to invade every single country that is harbouring a terrorist? or just the ones where there is money to be made and the battle will be won?

and for the small majority of terrorists that may have been in iraq, was a full scale war really the answer? i dont know. is north korea next, because that one may be a little different.You obviously have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to this topic. We have huge prisons prob bigger then the town you live in filled to the gills with terrorists from Iraq. Remember the deck of cards that was issued to troops in Iraq with a face of a terrorist about a year ago? Well all but 2 have been caught in Iraq! So it is obvious you know nothing about this topic! I am being whole hearted when I say this, do some investigating before you make your next comment and you might change your mind on posting.

I see your concern for North Korea, but trust us when we say it is not an issue at this point in time, nor was it an issue 4 or so years ago!

[97HatchDXStockr]

I watched all the debates and work with a guy who was in afghanistan and iraq as a medic and he agrees with me fully he has seen all the shit there and says its not worth it. Do you honostly think the U.S. is gonna capture every terrorist that can plan and carry out an attack against us? as soon as they hear we are coming for them they will go to another country. so are we gonna go chase them in those countries as well? We might as well take over the world.

[jb2178]

as long as the countries they run to will actively pursue the murderers on there own then there's no reason to "chase them in those countries" - but if they find another place where they are welcome with open arms then yes we probably should go kick some ass - and if we don't we'll all pay again just like we did on 9/11

[juice91si]

well, i hope you guys don't invade canada, my neighbour wears a turban and i saw him making a pipe bomb.

[jb2178]

well just to prove it to you that we're not all about invading everybody we're giving the palistinians 20 million dollars and they have been a pain in the ass for years, all they have to do is stop fucking around and we'll all play nicely - but after 9/11 the rules changed:

"Burns said the decision to give the money to the authority was made after the group fulfilled its promises for financial reform, and reflected U.S. "confidence" in the continuation of its reform program."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/12/08/us.palestinians/index.html

[infinatenexus]

Does anyone else find it wierd that this happened?
So when did we stop looking for him?

i would approve, if the U.N. had backed it, but instead, a sovereign country was invaded. seeing the situation now, yes, some good has come from it (freeing iraqui ppl)
LMAO @ the UN... I guess you forgot that Saddam had the UN in his back pocket for years. You seem to forget that the UN also backs terrorist(Arafat), and turns a blind eye to women and children getting blown to bits in Israel. They also turned a blind eye to almost everything Saddam did. So tell me .. what good is the UN? Hell I worked with UN troops in Bosina.. our boy scouts could do a better job.


my question is, is it up to america to play the role of world police? is it up to you guys to cure the entire world of it's problems, or only the ones you think you can defeat? is the capture of one man worth the lives of a thousand men, and thousands of INNOCENT PEOPLE?
Cry me a river. Other nations don't seem to be too concerned with the safty of the American people. You act as if its the crudases(by the way, Islam started that as well), and do your best to defend Saddam... do you seriously like the guy or some thing. Do you have "I love Saddam sheets on your bed"? what about the thousands who died a month under Saddam... oh wait... if you thought about them.. you couldn't bash America.

why not wait for U.N. support? or get more allies than britain and poland.
Wait for the UN... we waited 12 years.. and they fucked that all up.

FYI: We had more allies than Britain and Poland.


I just can't understand the people who think this war is limited to Osama, as if he's the only terrorist in the world and killing/capturing him would solve everything... he's been pinned in the mountains of afghanastan/pakistan for years now and still people are dying everyday because of terrorists - but it's still all about osama? nevermind zarqawi or any of those chechen terrorists... fuck it - this isn't worth my time
Its called ignorance. :)


http://www.d-series.org/forums/showthread.php?p=131247#post131247

[S Q A D]

* looks in thread *

* shakes head *

* walks out *

[juice91si]

1. You seem to forget that the UN also backs terrorist(Arafat), and turns a blind eye to women and children getting blown to bits in Israel. They also turned a blind eye to almost everything Saddam did. So tell me .. what good is the UN? Hell I worked with UN troops in Bosina.. our boy scouts could do a better job.



2. Cry me a river. Other nations don't seem to be too concerned with the safty of the American people. You act as if its the crudases(by the way, Islam started that as well), and do your best to defend Saddam... do you seriously like the guy or some thing. Do you have "I love Saddam sheets on your bed"? what about the thousands who died a month under Saddam... oh wait... if you thought about them.. you couldn't bash America.


3. Wait for the UN... we waited 12 years.. and they fucked that all up.
FYI: We had more allies than Britain and Poland.



Its called ignorance. :)




1. well, Arafat is dead now, so you don't have to worry about him anymore.
As for the women and children being killed in Israel, that is the work of palestinian suicide bombers, the same palestinians the U.S. just gave 20 million dollars to for relief, and Israel is your ally.

2. why would other nations care about the safety of America, when they have their own problems, do you care about the safety of Saudia Arabia or North Korea, China maybe? As much as i love saddam, i actually never defended him, if you read my post i said he was a very very bad man, and that some good has come out of the war.

3. Name all the allies in that region right now helping the american forces.


It's called Arrogance. :roll:

[Rexinre]

I am done with this thread, no one can be that stupid!

[infinatenexus]

As for the women and children being killed in Israel, that is the work of palestinian suicide bombers, the same palestinians the U.S. just gave 20 million dollars to for relief, and Israel is your ally.

And the UN stands behind the "palestinians" 100%. You seem to forgget that the UN has yet to life a finger to stop the bombings, and condems Israel every single time they tack actions against the terrorist.




Evidently we do care about other nations safty, considering the American military is all over the world, defending other nations.



As much as i love saddam, i actually never defended him, if you read my post i said he was a very very bad man, and that some good has come out of the war.

Some good????? Iraq will be having elections.... you call that "some good"???? torture chambers are closed and you call that "some good"? Have you ever visited the Middle East?


3. Name all the allies in that region right now helping the american forces.
Whats wrong, you forgot how many nations helped us, or are you relying on leftist anti-Bush propaganda? News flash, just because the UN didn't help us fix there blunder, dosen't imply that we did it alone.

It's called Arrogance. :roll:
What ever... you still have faith in the Un.. that alone discredits anything you post.

[infinatenexus]

I am done with this thread, no one can be that stupid!
Oh no.. its possiable.. that member is from Canada...;-)

[jb2178]

Oh no.. its possiable.. that member is from Canada...;-)

BWAHAHA! - Probably a fan of nickelback too

[juice91si]

whatever, obviously this is a republican website and i'm outnumbered, so what's the point. For the record i hate nickelback, and wish they would die, as well as most of the bands from canada, actually i dont even like rock. and im most likey a "leftist" because canada is a docile and peaceful country, but as a canadian, i do have an outsiders view of the united states. what i dont understand is how your country always assumes god is with you guys, who's god, my god? i hope not. if all other religions have a god, and believe it is with them, who is right? almost all religions believe that theirs is the only way to salvation, are they wrong or are you wrong? pls answer me this guys, how much does religion play into your political standpoints? bush may be able to command the worlds most powerful army, but do you guys look at the policies he makes or the decisions he makes in all other areas of government or just focus on the war stuff?

[jb2178]

religion plays a very minor role in my political stand, I was raised going to church but don't go regularly anymore. I think that everybody assumes god is on their side - because they want to have a higher authority who approves but I doubt god plays sides in wars beyond the murder of innocents which has been commited by some american troops - yes - not every american fighting the war is a "good" person but that's the way it goes, at least the american army tries and convicts it's troops if they are found guilty of war crimes - the terrorists (bathist saddam loyalists) praise the slaughter of innocents and that's the only reason I think that god could be on our side in all of this...

you're welcome to your opinion and I'm happy not everybody is a republican because I don't agree with everything bush or his administration does but I also think that the democrats political campaign of "vote for kerry cause he isn't bush" was the most retarded move they could have made and anybody who voted for kerry simply because he wasn't bush was also a retard - the war in iraq regardless of wmds was the right move and the iraqi people know it

http://www.pbase.com/kburch/the_picture_from_iraq_you_wont_see_in_the_news

[juice91si]

And the UN stands behind the "palestinians" 100%. You seem to "forgget" that the UN has yet to "life" a finger to stop the bombings, and "condems" Israel every single time they "tack actions" against the terrorist.


Evidently we do care about other nations "safty", considering the American military is all over the world, defending other nations.



Some good????? Iraq will be having elections.... you call that "some good"???? torture chambers are closed and you call that "some good"? Have you ever visited the Middle East?



Whats wrong, you forgot how many nations helped us, or are you relying on leftist anti-Bush propaganda? News flash, just because the UN didn't help us fix there blunder, dosen't imply that we did it alone.


What ever... you still have faith in the Un.. that alone discredits anything you post.

alright so you want to try and insult my intelligence because i'm canadian, okay:

well, maybe when you get your GED and learn how to spell i'll give your responses some credit. And for the elections, America is trying to force them, members of the Iraqui government want to postpone because it's unsafe, and they feel voter turnout will be very low, they will not go off without a hitch.

And i know you are'nt in it alone, what i'm saying is that your allies are leaving you.

if u want to be an ass, fine i can be too.

since you only have a grade 9 education, that alone discredits anything you post.

and jb2178, thank you for that website, i really enjoyed looking at all those pictures and reading some responses, i was a jerkoff in the other thread, and obviously my attempt to be funny was not regarded as such, so i do apologize to anyone i may have offended.

[jb2178]

well, maybe when you get your GED and learn how to spell i'll give your responses some credit. And for the elections, America is trying to force them, members of the Iraqui

sorry juice - I couldn't resist :beer: *cheers* everybody can have their opinion - no reason to take any of it personally

[juice91si]

sorry juice - I couldn't resist :beer: *cheers* everybody can have their opinion - no reason to take any of it personally

well, shit, every fuckin person i talk to on here takes it personally, so i will too, when someone insults your country you guys get very pissed, so don't be surprised when other people do too.

[jb2178]

well have fun being pissed off!

america is a shit hole - but it's better than canada! :) :TU:

[juice91si]

well have fun being pissed off!

america is a shit hole - but it's better than canada! :) :TU:

i'm not that pissed, im actually starting to enjoy mustering up anti-canadian feelings, go me.

but i beg to differ.

1. less guns
2. no rednecks
3. better beer
3. the rest of the world doesn't hate us.
4. government pays for like 80% of my university. I pay roughly 2500/year
5. FREE HEALTHCARE, meaning even poor people have a right to be healthy.
6. we never thought slavery was a good idea.
7. we burned down the whitehouse in 1812, bitches.

if you havent noticed, im trying to get under your skin guys, and i know i'll get flamed for this one real bad, so let it begin. i genuinely want to know how you feel about canada, although i'm probably not doing so well in the Canada-America relations department, but oh well, call it a sociology experiment.

flame away.............

[jb2178]

I have one thing that will make america better then canada even after all you wrote, wanna know what it is?

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AMERICA WINS!

[juice91si]

I have one thing that will make america better then canada even after all you wrote, wanna know what it is?

Current Conditions for Winnipeg, CA
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AMERICA WINS!

damn, you win.

[infinatenexus]

well, maybe when you get your GED and learn how to spell i'll give your responses some credit
English is my second language, thank you very much, care to debate this in Hebrew?
As for giving credit to responses, as soon as you mentioned the UN... I quit giving any serious thought to your responses.


almost all religions believe that theirs is the only way to salvation, are they wrong or are you wrong? pls answer me this guys, how much does religion play into your political standpoints?
I am sorry, but that is 100% incorrect when it comes to my religion, nice try none the less.

America is trying to force them, members of the Iraqui government want to postpone because it's unsafe, and they feel voter turnout will be very low, they will not go off without a hitch. You do realize that more members of the interim government want to proceed with the elections as planned?



1. less guns
2. no rednecks
3. better beer
3. the rest of the world doesn't hate us.
4. government pays for like 80% of my university. I pay roughly 2500/year
5. FREE HEALTHCARE, meaning even poor people have a right to be healthy.
6. we never thought slavery was a good idea.
7. we burned down the whitehouse in 1812, bitches.


1. What's wrong, scared of them?

2. More hippies

3. Not really

3. The rest of the world could give two shits about you

4. I can pay my own way through school + I have the GI Bill.. School has cost me $00.00

5. I wouldn't go bragging about your health care

6. Who cares what Canada thinks

7. Our boy scouts could kick your ass

Oh, and in America.. it goes 1-2-3-4-5-6-7... not 1-2-3-3-4-5-6-7, just thought I would let you know.


if u want to be an ass, fine i can be too.

Your from Canada, I fully expected you to be an ass. Your nation has "0" manners.

i genuinely want to know how you feel about canada, although i'm probably not doing so well in the Canada-America relations department, but oh well, call it a sociology experiment.

In all honesty, screw Canada. They are no better than the French in my book. Nothing but shit talking socialist cowards.

[sleepingrex]

i do agree about the 2nd number 3 haha if i were to list all the countries in the world then i'd be like oh yeah canada...but the thing that's cool is their rate exchange you go up there and get parts for your car etc..and its like a 1/3 cheaper

[Rexinre]

OMG this thread is still going... yikes!

Oh and there are a lot of people who can't spell on this board. But that’s what it is, a web board! Not a fucking thesis paper so get over it... Oh not to mention your grammar and spelling sucks too, so I would be talking much if I were you.

Any ways back on topic...

[97HatchDXStockr]

How is this site so full of right-wingers. im gonna quote the president here "The iraqi people are not HAPPY that they are occupied, I wouldnt be happy if I were occupied either." The only way we can "win" is if the Iraqi people want to take on this matter as well, and I guess they havent since that place is still a disaster. Here is another quote from Slick Willy himself. "Democrats win elections when people think." I suggest that all the homophobic, bible bangin, rednecks in here read Mr. Clintons book My Life. Sorry to keep this thread alive but its fun cuz everyone in here is republican.

[infinatenexus]

I suggest that all the homophobic, bible bangin, rednecks in here read Mr. Clintons book My Life.
How about the non homophobic, non bible banging, non redneck republicans... got any slang to use against us?

I just love how liberals have to label conservatives in order to degrade them. It must suck not only loose the election again, but to then have to suggest we read a book about a man who was a draft dodging, piss poor excuse of a president, with no morals, and a bitch for a wife.

[97HatchDXStockr]

and bush didnt weasle his way out of a fight either? I just had to label because someone had labeled democrats earlier on this thread. as for piss poor of a pres. he had the economy setup for bush, record surplus that turned out to become a record deficit when your idol came into power. he had all the foreign relations good also. How can you even think that bush had served honorable? But yes his wife is a hoe.

[infinatenexus]

he had the economy setup for bush, record surplus
You can thank the Republican Congress for that, not Bill Clinton. Oh wait, what about the recession Clinton ignored and left for Bush?

he had all the foreign relations good alsoNot really, He stabbed Israel in the back, fucked up in Iraq, and then he let Osama get away. The only Clinton did was be a passive bitch, and not start shit... why do you think Osama started planning 9/11 during Clintons presidency?

when your idol came into power
:TD: So let me get this straight, I don't vote for Kerry, so Bush is my idol? But thats ok.. you are defending a man who dodged the draft, sat on his ass for eight years, aided terrorist(Arafat) and didn't even own a house untill after he was president.

[infinatenexus]

How can you even think that bush had served honorable?
I never said he did.

[Kionon]

I'm a Republican. I voted for Kerry. I think that sums up my faith in George Bush.

[infinatenexus]

I don't like Bush either.. I just couldn't vote for a guy that didn't stand for anything other than "I'm not Bush"..... oh.. and he is a shit bag when it came to his military service, and his actions before, and after his service.

[chasloa]

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[Kionon]

I don't like Bush either.. I just couldn't vote for a guy that didn't stand for anything other than "I'm not Bush"..... oh.. and he is a shit bag when it came to his military service, and his actions before, and after his service.

I'm guessing you've served?

(For the record I'm in the Navy, but I don't want to get into an argument over Kerry's record. It doesn't matter now, anyway. Hasn't for over a month.)

[makku]

it's not that this site is full of republicans... it's just that the republicans on this site are very vocal. Plus, republican "facts" are much easier to throw around... they have a much better spin department than the democrats. ;)

[chasloa]

it's not that this site is full of republicans... it's just that the republicans on this site are very vocal.
In other words the tables are turned and the democrats have no answer when they are not attacking the republicans

[seano]

The amount of hatred and ignorance from some people is enough to make some people not want to post their thoughts and ideas. When every thought or idea you have gets shot down with labeling, name calling, and no actual facts to back it up it's pretty disturbing.

[chasloa]

The amount of hatred and ignorance from some people is enough to make some people not want to post their thoughts and ideas. When every thought or idea you have gets shot down with labeling, name calling, and no actual facts to back it up it's pretty disturbing.
Exactly. Like when people claim that a graduate of Yale and Harvard University, 2 time governor of texas, and our commander in chief is an idiot.

[seano]

Well, you are doing the classic thing.... simplifying something. You know as well as I do that he has said many, many stupid things, and that is why he is called an idiot. He is lousy at grammar... how can you deny that? Anyone can search online for some of the stupid things he has said.

Sovereign entity?!?!? Come on, I know you saw that clip at the very least.

Bottom line is people call him an idiot for these things, and rightly so. They are idiotic things. Deny that. I will find tht clip if you need to view it to make an informed decision.

[seano]

What I am saying is that you are knowingly creating a false argument. You know why he's called an idiot.

[chasloa]

Huh? everybody does and says stupid things. does this make everyone an idiot?

BTW, I don't see anything wrong with simplifying the conversation; it helps keep the senseless rhetoric in check, as well as the false assumption that we live in a utopia.

[seano]

Well if you are such a smart guy, Yale grad, and the president of the US... come on. I have never in my life said anything as stupid as his "sovereign entity" speech. That was pathetic. And I don't know who thinks we live in a utopia, that sounds like the false assumption that you are talking about.

You playing stupid as to why people call him an idiot is classic.

[chasloa]

I know why people call him an idiot.

The fact is he is not an idiot, and you playing stupid to the reality of the situation is classic

[S Q A D]

Huh? everybody does and says stupid things. does this make everyone an idiot?


in my eyes everyone is a fucking moron :TU: ;)

[seano]

I am in no way playing stupid to any situation, and I would put money on you not being able to prove I am. Above I said why people call him an idiot, period.

anyway, I'm done... again. This is going nowhere, once again. You proposed a question about people calling him an idiot, and I let you know the reasons that you already knew.

[chasloa]

in my eyes everyone is a fucking moron :TU: ;)Hey This is serious discussion, and your making me laugh is taking all of the fun out of it!!

[chasloa]

I am in no way playing stupid to any situation, and I would put money on you not being able to prove I am. Above I said why people call him an idiot, period.

anyway, I'm done... again. This is going nowhere, once again. You proposed a question about people calling him an idiot, and I let you know the reasons that you already knew.
you really believe he's an idiot don't you?

[seano]

Did I say that? Are you falsely assuming again? ;)

No I don't believe he is a straight out idiot. I think he is poor representation of our country, and does say more stupid shit than any other president has. He is an educated man. He has run businesses... and ran them into the ground.

My only point is why he is called an idiot. I never said he was one.

[makku]

they have a much better spin department than the democrats.

ahem...

[chasloa]

My only point is why he is called an idiot. I never said he was one.
That's exactly what I thought. Unfortanately people voted for another cantidate solely on the assumption that Bush is an idiot.

[seano]

Well, the people that I know that voted for Kerry and didn't really know anything about him, did it cause they are against Bush's policies, and this war... not cause he's "an idiot".

[makku]

my opinion of his intelligence is this:

he's a smart guy, BUT he sucks at being put on the spot. I don't think he can think on his feet really well. <-- just my opinion!

I think that's where his language trouble comes from.

[seano]

yeah, that could be it. He has the schooling, but when he's under the gun (which the president is a lot) he stumbles and says some very stupid things. It's comical. Most american's can laugh about it. I very rarely see someone defend him so much, in this regard.

[sleepingrex]

I very rarely see someone defend him so much, in this regard.
well it does say (and if anyone is against this well...we all have our point of views) in the bible there will be a leader and everyone will follow him into our deaths pretty much, and how mother nature will beat down upon us aka hurricanes in FL and the tsunami recently...

[infinatenexus]

I'm guessing you've served?

But of course.

my opinion of his intelligence is this:

he's a smart guy, BUT he sucks at being put on the spot. I don't think he can think on his feet really well. <-- just my opinion!

I think that's where his language trouble comes from.
The thing is, that has nothing to do with intelligence.

in the bible there will be a leader and everyone will follow him into our deaths pretty much, and how mother nature will beat down upon us aka hurricanes in FL and the tsunami recently...
You have got to be shitting me. :neutral:

Plus, republican "facts" are much easier to throw around... they have a much better spin department than the democrats.
Buddy, the liberals are the master of the spin cycle.

[seano]

Buddy, the liberals are the master of the spin cycle.
Using labels, and bullshit accusations get you no where.

As for the bible stuff, yeah.... you have to be joking.

[makku]

The thing is, that has nothing to do with intelligence.

Buddy, the liberals are the master of the spin cycle.

OMG, you are so nit-picky!
Webster's Dic:
Intelligence: the ability to learn or understand or to deal with new or trying situations

As for masters of being spin, I think we all know the truth... not saying the democrats don't do it, but the republicans are a well-oiled machine when it comes to that. Take the recent U.N. comments that Bush so quickly harped on. This was taken from an editorial:


"It is beyond me why are we so stingy, really," the Norwegian-born U.N. official told reporters. "Christmastime should remind many Western countries at least, [of] how rich we have become."

Note how 'stingy' is in quotes in the first graph and 'the United States and other Western nations' is not. That's because Egeland referred to 'wealthy states' and 'donor states,' but at no time did he single out the United States. In fact, when a reporter asked Egeland to name the countries he believed to be "stingy," he pointedly declined to do so (you can stream the 48-minute press conference with RealPlayer and see for yourself).

[sleepingrex]

like i said you all have your own opinions on things and i know how everyone loves to hate on Christianity

[Kionon]

Infinatenexus, I thought you had, and as such I respect your opinion a lot more than those who have not, even if I disagree with it.

Now, I think Bush is an Idiot, and I'm a TEXAS Republican. So how about them apples?

Actually, the bible does say "there will be a leader and everyone will follow him into our deaths pretty much, and how mother nature will beat down upon us aka hurricanes in FL and the tsunami recently..." That leader will be the Beast (sometimes called the Antichrist) and the passages are in the writings of Saint John of Patmos, commonly known as Revelations.

Do I believe George Bush is the Beast? No. The Beast will be very, very smart. George Bush, as I have stated, I do not believe meets that requirement.

[sleepingrex]

hahah true true :P

[sleepingrex]

i am a fellow texan myself..

[infinatenexus]

OMG, you are so nit-picky!
Webster's Dic:
Intelligence: the ability to learn or understand or to deal with new or trying situations

And that proves what, I stutter, and have ADD... dose that lessen my intelligence? What about Stephen Hawkins (Sp)? Do you always base a persons intelligence on there verbal skills?

Now, I think Bush is an Idiot, and I'm a TEXAS Republican. So how about them apples?
Hey, I don't like him either... but in this election it came to who sucked the least...not who was the best. I made it a very simple choice, a Liberal senator that betrayed his fellow soldiers, and sailors to advance his political carrier through a web of lies who contradicted himself at every opportunity, ... or a country boy that has the balls to stand for something.

BTW: I lived in Lago Vista for two years, and Ft. Hood for three... Tx is a nice place.


Actually, the bible does say "there will be a leader and everyone will follow him into our deaths pretty much, and how mother nature will beat down upon us aka hurricanes in FL and the tsunami recently..." That leader will be the Beast (sometimes called the Antichrist) and the passages are in the writings of Saint John of Patmos, commonly known as Revelations.

No offence but the Bible is not “my book”(Studied in it great detail though, along with he Qur'an). If you look at its origins, multiple and inaccurate translations, manipulation by the “Church” and especially the circumstances under Revelations was written, I think you can see why I put little to no faith in its prophecies.
You can take so many of the scriptures, twist, distort, and otherwise make what ever you want out of almost anything in the New Testament.

[97HatchDXStockr]

Ya Bush has huge balls. I dont recall him going and fighting communism. At least Kerry went, therefore he has bigger balls.

[chasloa]

Using labels, and bullshit accusations get you no where.

Someone tell MM

[infinatenexus]

Ya Bush has huge balls. I dont recall him going and fighting communism. At least Kerry went, therefore he has bigger balls. LMAO... Kerry's military service was a joke....he has no balls.... hell, he won't even let the public see his official military records, oh wait... I guess its ok for him to skip out on years of service, putting himself in for awards for the sole purpose of leaving Vietnam,meeting with communist officials, and lying to congress to further his political carrier gave him ”balls”.


BTW: Kerry didn’t go by choice, he did all he could to avoid combat.. he is no hero.. he is a coward of the up most degree. Ever wonder why he has numerous discharge dates, could it be.. dare I say.. he is full of shit..?

[modsHXcivi]

Does anyone else find it wierd that this happened?
honestly ...i think the USA can find who ever they, when ever they want, where ever they want ......

[97HatchDXStockr]

And Bush has an awesome record as well? You act like Kerry was the only person to try and get out of 'nam. My uncle was telling me this story when he went to get his physical that some guy shoved a whole bunch of peanut butter up his ass to try and fool the doctor or some shit. If i recall correctly not many people went to 'nam by choice, it was all the poor people that couldnt afford to go to college. So all the guys that got drafted and died over there arent heroes? What do you think Kerry shot himself?

[infinatenexus]

And Bush has an awesome record as well? Did I ever say that?

So all the guys that got drafted and died over there arent heroes?
Did I ever say, or even imply that, where do you get off making an accusation like that??? Once again, John Kerry is not a hero. John Kerry did the bare minimum to get by, he showed up in Vietnam with a typewriter, and photographic equipment. His only reason for going to Vietnam was to build a foundation for his future political carrier. Kerry was the only Swift sailor ever to leave Vietnam without completing the standard one-year tour of duty.

Would a "hero" put himself in for a purple heart for an injury that was from gross negligence.

Would a "hero" ditch out on years of military service?

Would a "hero" be memorialized in a communist museum?


Would a "hero" lie to Congress and cause an unimaginable amount of grief for innocent soldiers and there famalies, just to lay the grounds for running for political office?

Would a “hero” refuse to release his military records to the public?

In all reality John Kerry was encouraged to leave Vietnam after his third purple heart....I can’t imagine a chain of command encouraging a “hero” to go home.

What do you think Kerry shot himself?
I know all about his BS purple hearts. One was a result of pure stupidity, the other two were a result of minor injuries.

it was all the poor people that couldnt afford to go to college
I thought you were intelligent.:?



BTW: I spent more time in combat than John Kerry, he is no hero, he is a disgrace.

[95z6exCoupe]

to get back to the topic...the entire war is fucked up, and its only about one thing...OIL. Thats it, PERIOD. This was never about the Iraqi people, or weapons of mass destruction, or even Osama(who, in fact, the bin ladens are HEAVILLY involved in the world oil fiasco, and have been tied to numerous US corps-Halliburton be one that sticks out, you know the one the Bush's, among others are involved with...)-the lists go on and on.

one of the many reasons I'm getting the fuck out at the end of my enlistment is G.W. Bush...over 1300 dead(US soldiers) in Iraq so far...and for WHAT???

[chasloa]

to get back to the topic...the entire war is fucked up, and its only about one thing...OIL. Thats it, PERIOD. This was never about the Iraqi people, or weapons of mass destruction, or even Osama(who, in fact, the bin ladens are HEAVILLY involved in the world oil fiasco, and have been tied to numerous US corps-Halliburton be one that sticks out, you know the one the Bush's, among others are involved with...)-the lists go on and on.

one of the many reasons I'm getting the fuck out at the end of my enlistment is G.W. Bush...over 1300 dead(US soldiers) in Iraq so far...and for WHAT???
wow, at this point I am done with this thread. what a uneducated load of drivel

[95z6exCoupe]

uneducated???? how do you figure

[sleepingrex]

i also think that is a factor in the war myself, and to save face for daddy.

[97HatchDXStockr]

uneducated U.S. soldier? lol. Please tell me exactly why you think he is a disgrace.

[95z6exCoupe]

yeah-the guy(bush) seriously scares the shit out of me. I wonder who's(country) next.....anyone seen Farenheit 9/11?- a real eye opener there.

[chasloa]

uneducated U.S. soldier? lol. Please tell me exactly why you think he is a disgrace.
because everything he said came from storytime with MMoore.

please present some facts, or at least statements that werent made up by some fatass lying POS to support your argument

[infinatenexus]

to get back to the topic...the entire war is fucked up, and its only about one thing...OIL. Thats it, PERIOD. This was never about the Iraqi people, or weapons of mass destruction, or even Osama(who, in fact, the bin ladens are HEAVILLY involved in the world oil fiasco, and have been tied to numerous US corps-Halliburton be one that sticks out, you know the one the Bush's, among others are involved with...)-the lists go on and on.

one of the many reasons I'm getting the fuck out at the end of my enlistment is G.W. Bush...over 1300 dead(US soldiers) in Iraq so far...and for WHAT???
LMAO.... you have got to be kidding me?


yeah-the guy(bush) seriously scares the shit out of me. I wonder who's(country) next.....anyone seen Farenheit 9/11?- a real eye opener there.
Up to this moment I respected your opinion, both as a soldier, and as a person. Anybody that places any sort of confidence in Fahrenheit 9/11 is nothing short of a brainwashed tool, being spoon fed propaganda. Thank G-D you are not reenlisting.

[infinatenexus]

uneducated???? how do you figure
I have seen plenty.

[Rexinre]

This thread is out of control. The things that are being said are crazy. To still think, after all this time that the war is over oil... hahahahahahahahaha, you have got to be a tool to believe that.

The US only gets 10% of its oil from OPEC; Europe and Japan get 40% and 60% of their oil from OPEC respectively. So the US is far from being dependent of middle-eastern oil. Besides, if there was a sudden end to the world's oil supply, the US would have enough resources to build new renewable plants in a couple of months to meet its energy needs. However, this would come at great cost.

Nuf Said!!

[chasloa]

Now if the environmentalists would only let us drill in ANWAR so we don't have to rely so heavily on foreign oil cartels like OPEC.

[Rexinre]

In all honesty in 10-20 years our oil dependacy will become little to none. I foresee a cleaner future.

[95z6exCoupe]

LMAO.... you have got to be kidding me?



Up to this moment I respected your opinion, both as a soldier, and as a person. Anybody that places any sort of confidence in Fahrenheit 9/11 is nothing short of a brainwashed tool, being spoon fed propaganda. Thank G-D you are not reenlisting.


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Originally Posted by 97HatchDXStockr
uneducated U.S. soldier? lol. Please tell me exactly why you think he is a disgrace.

Chasloa said
"because everything he said came from storytime with MMoore.

please present some facts, or at least statements that werent made up by some fatass lying POS to support your argument"


FYI- No, i am not kidding you...And NO-I am not quoting shit I saw in the that movie, and NO, i dont believe EVERYTHING that guy says...However-I had heard/read/ RESEARCHED into his accusations, LONG BEFORE i saw the movie-and most of what was said in the film IS TRUE, and can easily be found doing a little research on the subjects. Have you looked into it, or are you on the "hate Micheal Moore because he pointed out shit no one wants to talk about,believe,or understand" bandwagon??? And I'M the one spoon fed propoganda here??? There's plenty out there to support my "argument" Chasloa, maybe YOU should take the time to look into it, I have.

I never said the US was dependant on Mid-East oil. But there ARE many US individuals/corporations that are HEAVILY invested in it, and I feel that their interests are being protected, not the Iraqi people. My opinion, nothing more.

Brainwashed tool??? Dont think so slick. "spoonfed propoganda...???"...Yep, I sure am - just as you and everyone else in this world currently is, every time the evening news comes on, a Terror Alert comes up, etc...

"Thank G-D you are not reenlisting"...not that its any of your - or anyone else's - business, but my political beliefs only play a small role in why I'm not re-enlisting...That was the plan from the get go-do my 6 years and get out and have college paid for. Also-I have spent little, if any, time with my wife and two kids in the 3 years I have been in, they live in Florida, I'm here, and my ship is gone gone-A LOT-since the 9/11 attacks(and was also the first military vessel - to respond and take command - of all vessels in New York harbor the day after the attacks), and then spent the next month there helping out.

Also I have seen my 15 month old daughter for a total of one month of her life. And after recieving orders recently, i found out I will be spending the next 3 years 300 miles away from them as well(currently 1600 miles away).

In short, my intentions of not re-enlisting should be none of your concern.
At the least, I did volunteer for my country for 6 years, and I am proud to serve her, as not many people our age do this for their country. Not that thats necessarily a bad thing, but nonetheless, I can say I did and be proud of that fact as you can. In the end, I wont regret spending the time in that I did in the miltary.

"Thank G-D you are not reenlisting...geezus

Thats a pretty weak statement on your end my friend, coming from someone who is also serving, especially when basing said statement on the fact that I dont agree with your political/personal views...

[seano]

Well said 95z6exCoupe. People are way to quick to throw around accusations, label you, and disregard anything you say when you don't agree with them.

The facts are out there, and Moore found them. No one has said otherwise. Why has he not been sued for slander or defamation of character or anything? I am in no way a HUGE Moore fan, but I watch his stuff with an open mind unlike many people on here. That's the key to the truth, an open mind. There are too many factors involved in this "war". Too many corporate, and selfish interests. Here's a quote I always liked:

"How long would we have to stay there to keep this regime in power? How effective would it be if it were perceived as the puppet regime of the US military? It gets to be a very difficult, a very nebulous, a very long, drawn-out kind of commitment, what I would describe as a quagmire. We have absolutely no interest in getting US military forces involved inside Iraq."
-Dick Cheney '91

Anyway, I don't want to get back into this huge circular debate... it's tedious, and when people are close minded it goes nowhere. I just wanted to give 95z6exCoupe props and rep on his post. Carry on...

peaces.

[S Q A D]

god damn political threads ......

[infinatenexus]

This thread is out of control. The things that are being said are crazy. To still think, after all this time that the war is over oil... hahahahahahahahaha, you have got to be a tool to believe that.

The US only gets 10% of its oil from OPEC; Europe and Japan get 40% and 60% of their oil from OPEC respectively. So the US is far from being dependent of middle-eastern oil. Besides, if there was a sudden end to the world's oil supply, the US would have enough resources to build new renewable plants in a couple of months to meet its energy needs. However, this would come at great cost.

Nuf Said!!
Bingo... but a waist... you post had no anti-Bush connotations to it...liberals will never pay attention. You must remember your talking about a demographic of people who believe in freedom of speech, unless your religious, and freedom of expression unless it involved G-D.



Well said 95z6exCoupe. People are way to quick to throw around accusations, label you, and disregard anything you say when you don't agree with them.

Dude, he actually tries to defend Michael Moore..... that right there discredites anything he has, or will post.


but I watch his stuff with an open mind unlike many people on here.
Not to sound like an ass, but hypocrisy is a bitch isn’t it.


95z6exCoupe, give it up. You are spouting off the same old tired rhetoric the looser of a presidential candidate used. Why don’t you quit crying about being on a Ship and away from your family, some of will be receiving disability when we ETS from wounds sustained while on the ground. At least when your deployed (or what ever the Navy calls it) you don’t have to worry about mortar rounds impaction in your AO, or how far you will have to ruck to your next fire fight.You don’t have it that bad when you compare it to the hardships of others.

How about you quit being pessimistic, and be thankful for what you have? No wonder why liberalism is a failing ideology in America.... too much negativity. :fag:

[infinatenexus]

"How long would we have to stay there to keep this regime in power? How effective would it be if it were perceived as the puppet regime of the US military? It gets to be a very difficult, a very nebulous, a very long, drawn-out kind of commitment, what I would describe as a quagmire. We have absolutely no interest in getting US military forces involved inside Iraq."
-Dick Cheney '91


Wow.. a quote that's 14 years old, and involving completely different circumstances.


Here are mo favorite quotes on this topic:

One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. that is our bottom line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." - Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb,18,1998

"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S.Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate,air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens.Carl Levin (D-MI),Tom Daschle (D-SD), John Kerry( D - MA), and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of an illicit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002.

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years . We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction" - - Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroys his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" - Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam

Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare,and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D,NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime . He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation .. And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real" - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

[chasloa]

How about you quit being pessimistic, and be thankful for what you have? No wonder why liberalism is a failing ideology in America.... too much negativity. :fag:



I think that sums up a liberal right there. No matter how good they have it they will still bitch and moan thinking that a utopia will result if they get it their way.

Sorta like women

[infinatenexus]

I think that sums up a liberal right there. No matter how good they have it they will still bitch and moan thinking that a utopia will result if they get it their way.

Sorta like women
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[infinatenexus]

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Hahahaaaaaa

[95z6exCoupe]

Bingo... but a waist... you post had no anti-Bush connotations to it...liberals will never pay attention. You must remember your talking about a demographic of people who believe in freedom of speech, unless your religious, and freedom of expression unless it involved G-D.



Dude, he actually tries to defend Michael Moore..... that right there discredites anything he has, or will post.



Not to sound like an ass, but hypocrisy is a bitch isn’t it.


95z6exCoupe, give it up. You are spouting off the same old tired rhetoric the looser of a presidential candidate used. Why don’t you quit crying about being on a Ship and away from your family, some of will be receiving disability when we ETS from wounds sustained while on the ground. At least when your deployed (or what ever the Navy calls it) you don’t have to worry about mortar rounds impaction in your AO, or how far you will have to ruck to your next fire fight.You don’t have it that bad when you compare it to the hardships of others.

How about you quit being pessimistic, and be thankful for what you have? No wonder why liberalism is a failing ideology in America.... too much negativity. :fag:




this is hilarious...not to mention, sounds like the words of a typical idiot. here's why...

First off- You have NO IDEA what I've done for this/in support of this war. NONE.(as i dont have any idea of what you've done, but from your post alone, i can tell it hasnt been very much). Yeah, i wasnt over there, "on the ground", but I was supporting it. Doing little shit like boarding huge container ships coming into US ports, checking them for terrosits and the like, not knowing who/what is around every corner-WITH ONLY 4 PEOPLE AS BACKUP, and only 9mm's, M16's and a riot 12 ga shotgun. All this on a 600ft boat-coming from great places such as Communist China, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon-the list goes on. Would you or unit go somewhere "on the ground" with only these weapons at your disposal???? No air support, smart bombs, naval support-and I quote-(or "whatever the the Navy calls it"-I'm in the CG,not the Navy BTW). No intelligence, night visison or any of the other gizmos that they have at there disposal. Just your wits/gut instinct, and four people as your backup. Of course not...but we do. oh yeah, all the while doing every fucking thing else we're tasked with-on barely any funds(when compared to the other military services) and hardly any people(less than 40,000-total)HOMELAND SECURITY, US law enforcement, fisheries enforcement, search and rescue, migrant interdiction(and usually-rescue), drug enforcement...AND have people serving over in Iraq as well(yeah, i know, i know-doesnt count cause we're not on the ground, I mean, NOTHING happens on the water, except people in little boats packed full of explosives( a reference to a friend and fellow CG member that was killed over there when they blew there boat up), mines on bouys-WE, THE COAST GUARD, remove those. I could go on, but since we dont do shit "on the ground"-its nothing to you anyway. Doesnt count, right? Guess no one has to protect our maritime borders(guess you're doing that on the ground, 5000 miles away, huh?). Who the fuck do you think you are down playing my role in this? Why? Oh yeah, cause I'm not "over there"-right, I got you....
Dont matter either way, you'll just turn this around to say that I dont think what the AirForce/Marines/Army are doing over there is worth anything. I never said that, but you'll twist it around. I guess that would be the 10 year old thing to do like you did to my post, but, I'm not 10, and I have MANY friends/family over there, and am proud of them for making the decision to take the path that they chose to take.

"quit crying"??? Listen man, nobody's crying, or whining for that matter- (but you and a few others)-I was merely giving you(an unwaranted) explanation as to why I was getting out(damn, this is the second time I have had to explain that), and thats it. maybe read my post again and you'll see that. But being that you're only capable of twisting one's words to fit your argument, guess its kinda hard to understand, huh? Be "Thankful for what I've got..."oh yeah, I've got it "easy"...right?

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Originally Posted by chasloa
I think that sums up a liberal right there. No matter how good they have it they will still bitch and moan thinking that a utopia will result if they get it their way.

Sorta like women


"No matter how good I have it"....hmm, and you're doing WHAT...tell me please(besides sounding like an 8th grader). I'm one of the reasons why YOU "have it so good"-remember that. May not be in Iraq, but I know I'm willing to give up my life protecting YOU, and making sure that YOU still have the freedom to bitch every day by protecting our borders...are you willing to do that...honestly?

"...thinking Utopia will result if they get there way..." damn, you are seriously on some good shit, cause I dont remember saying/implying that that would EVER happen, cause it never will, not in this country. YOU are the one that keeps mentioning Utopia....

and i was never "defending Micheal Moore"...once again, instead of actually reading what I said, you're twisitng it around to defend your version of this...he's made some intersting points-points that CAN be-and HAVE been backed up, and thats all I was saying.


oh yeah, one more thing infinatenexus...you forgot to quote Colin Powell 7 months before the 9/11 attacks..."...we have NO EVIDENCE that he(Hussein) has or is planning to aquire...weapons of mass destruction..." Hmmm, lets think about this for a moment...STILL have not found a damn thing over there...well, where are they? all those cool people you quoted seemed pretty sure they(WMD's) were over there, some even before Powell said this in early '01(Condeleza Rice has said this as well durring the same time period)...Hmm, dont see anyone backing up those claims anymore, instead they're all quiet about that now, its been swept under the carpet and now its just about turning Iraq into a "sovereign entity"...The reasons behind this war have changed several times already, I mean shit, lets see, its gone from "Husseins ties to Al-Quida, WMD's, the people of Iraq...etc" wonder what it will be about this year? This is turning into a quagmire-as several Bush aids have said numerous times before-and now are back-peddaling over their previos statements(as usual)-and its only gonna get worse before it NEVER gets better. The insurgents have promised more attacks if the elections are held at the end of this month, now against (specifically) the Iraqi people themselves, you know, the people that they are also(supposedly) fighting for? Then what? Just more "reasons" to be over there.

oh and, if we were so hell bent on "freeing" the people of Iraq, then why arent we freeing the people of North Korea? The people of Saudi Arabia( a country that Amnesty Int. frquently notes as having some of the worst human rights violations in the world-oops, wait a minute-there I go "quoting a movie" again-get off of it, please, thats a known fact(along with every thing else I've said), and if the only comebacks you have to shit like this is" he only says this or that because it was in a Micheal Moore movie...",then YOU are truly the morons here, if thats all you got)-oh wait, cant fuck with Saudi Arabia, after all, they're close US allies. ;-) $$$$$$$$$ How about China and North Korea(also BIG human rights violators)-cant let those commie bastards be around forever, now can we?
...

I dont consider myself a Democrat/Republican/Liberal/Reformist, but thanks for clearing it up for me by calling me a Liberal, I wouldve been lost forever without you two. I'm just an average American citizen/soldier that votes and study's closely who/what will be leading the country, and isnt afraid to voice my opinion on whats wrong or right-even when its not the "popular" way to "act" or FEEL, or LIVE. And if that bother's you guys-tough shit, i wont be losing any sleep over it tonite. You're the ones that cant seem to have an intellegent discussion without resorting to name calling when someones views are'nt the same as yours....

you're right, hippocrisy is a bitch, isnt it???

[vtece-hatch]

we started looking for bin laden, but then they were looking for sadaam at the same time, it wasnt like they just got one and stopped,the search is still going on.

[95z6exCoupe]

very true-i think the original thread was saying that its ironic that we went over to the Mid-East to get bin laden, and ended up capturing Hussein. I hope we do find that bastard one day, and they turn him loose in the streets for some good old fashioned American ass wooping.

[chasloa]

making sure that YOU still have the freedom to bitch every day by protecting our borders...are you willing to do that...honestly?

nice, except I'm not the one constantly bitching about the war, etc

I'd like to see your evidence backing up MM's work, because so far all I have read is information discrediting nearly all of it.

The simple fact that you think that MM's points can be backed up by facts knocks your credibility into a tailspin.

[95z6exCoupe]

nice, except I'm not the one constantly bitching about the war, etc


-this is good, because the thread started as a debate on how we ended up with Hussein looking for Bin-Laden, and I merely offered my opinion on the matter I AM, however, bitching over the fact that you basically called me uneducated-which is far from the truth. I was merely - from the begining- trying to have a SERIOUS DISCUSSION/DEBATE about the war-not get into a pissing contest with you over Michael Moore.
I'd like to see your evidence backing up MM's work, because so far all I have read is information discrediting nearly all of it. fine then, i've read that info as well, maybe you should dig a little deeper.
The simple fact that you think that MM's points can be backed up by facts knocks your credibility into a tailspin....and its also doing wonders for yours...Its not a matter of thinking that his claims can be backed up-they already have been. And the fact that you admit you've only seen shit that discredits him-hm, well, what gives you the right then to tell me that my credibility is bad? Why-because I've read BOTH sides to the story? . This isnt even about him, like I said in the previous post-this seems to be all you've got, cause you keep going back to him. I could've just replied to this with..."the simple fact that YOU think MM's points can NOT be backed up by facts sends YOUR credibility into a tailspin..." But, I didnt, that would be too easy. I think you dont dont want to believe it could be true.But like I said before, this isnt about him, its about things he happened to do a movie on, stuff that already was available to the public-you've obviously got a serious burr in your ass for him. I dont particularly like the guy either because of his views on gun control, but i did think it took serious balls to come out with the shit he did, and I commend him for that. WTF does he have-personally-to gain from making it up? Like I said, who cares anyway?

\where's your facts????(besides whats on CNN). Spend some time researching the shit. I spent countless hours doing it over a period of several years, and my time is worth a little more to me than trying to prove anything to you-especially not when it took me a long time to look into a lot of this stuff(not to mention spending the time here). Its out there, you seem like a smart guy and should know where to look, go find it yourself, i did(not bad for an unedumacated man)long before anyone had even heard of Micheal Moore-SO GET OFF OF IT/HIM. I mean shit, i would just be "spoonfeeding you propoganda" if it came from me, right?

[infinatenexus]

this is hilarious...not to mention, sounds like the words of a typical idiot. here's why...

LMAO.... more name calling from the guy trying oh so hard to play the victim. Must suck to get so worked up over a political thread on the internet, you should seek professional help.. perhaps a prescription for Prozac.


Doing little shit like boarding huge container ships coming into US ports, checking them for terrosits and the like, not knowing who/what is around every corner-WITH ONLY 4 PEOPLE AS BACKUP, and only 9mm's, M16's and a riot 12 ga shotgun. All this on a 600ft boat-coming from great places such as Communist China, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon-the list goes on. Would you or unit go somewhere "on the ground" with only these weapons at your disposal???? Hate to burst your bubble of grandeur, but I am an 95B30 we have the same weapons.. and work in three man teams. We got house to house.. or tent to tent,call me when mortar rounds start impacting in your AO. Like I said.. you have it good.. quit being so pessimistic.

Who the fuck do you think you are down playing my role in this?
I never did, but its nice to know you lack the maturity to carry on a debate with out using profanity. Perhaps its some kind of insecurity issue causing an to be such an ass?


oh yeah, one more thing infinatenexus...you forgot to quote Colin Powell 7 months before the 9/11 attacks..."...we have NO EVIDENCE that he(Hussein) has or is planning to aquire...weapons of mass destruction..." And your point is? He siad something quite different after 9/11

STILL have not found a damn thing over there...well, where are they? Now who hasen't done there research? Must suck to live in the dark.


You're the ones that cant seem to have an intellegent discussion without resorting to name calling when someones views are'nt the same as yours....
LMAO.. still playing the victim... i guess its of for you to call names.. and use profanity? Either way, I am threw with you, you lack the capability to do anything other than spout off liberal drivel.. and sling around expletive words.

[95z6exCoupe]

LMAO.... more name calling from the guy trying oh so hard to play the victim. Must suck to get so worked up over a political thread on the internet, you should seek professional help.. perhaps a prescription for Prozac.

nah-that shit fucks you up.

Hate to burst your bubble of grandeur, but I am an 95B30 we have the same weapons.. and work in three man teams. We got house to house.. or tent to tent,call me when mortar rounds start impacting in your AO. Like I said.. you have it good.. quit being so pessimistic.


bubble of grandeur? oh no, there's the mortars again(people on ships dont normally lob mortars at you) so thats like comparing apples to oranges. truly pathetic, just like I said in the previous post, i knew you'd go to this, and totaly ignore what i said...i wasnt comaparing the jobs, or saying who had it worse-I was letting you know that I do some harry shit, too, and you insist on saying your job is somehow better-cause you have it "worse"And I'm the one w/ self esteem issues?. I mean, honestly, do you have mortars landing on you , NOW, here in the states? I'm still doing what I do-everyday.
I never did, but its nice to know you lack the maturity to carry on a debate with out using profanity. Perhaps its some kind of insecurity issue causing an to be such an ass?-actually, i cant talk at all without dropping a few f-bombs, nothing different here. Its u guys that lack the maturity here, resorting to the initial name calling, and overall derrogative nature towards my role in the war
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And your point is? He siad something quite different after 9/11

yeah-hence the back peddaling statment.

Now who hasen't done there research? Must suck to live in the dark.
really? I dont remember hearing/seeing anything about it. But, oh yeah, I was deployed all year long and possibly couldve missed it-but I didnt hear of anything(doesnt mean it didnt happen). I'll look into it.

LMAO.. still playing the victim... i guess its of for you to call names.. and use profanity? Either way, I am threw with you, you lack the capability to do anything other than spout off liberal drivel.. and sling around expletive words. playing the victim??? of what exactly??? Like i said, i was trying to have a discussion on the matter-you guys started the name calling. But, as you said, i am guilty of it as well, so I appologize. Only started because some were downplaying what I do in the military-and THAT was uncalled for. We all play a role in it someway or another-regardless if you see it that way..




Now, I'm done as well, no hard feelings either way, I didnt come to this site to make enemies, especially over a political discussion.

[Rexinre]

Only took 6 pages, you boys are very passionate about your politics (oh wait, so am I)... why can't we all just get along?

[95z6exCoupe]

we can, like I said, this wasnt the reason I came over here. There's plenty of other sites that deal with this shit. no hard feelings on my end, cause in the end-its all just words on a screen.

[Rexinre]

cause in the end-its all just words on a screen.
Well... almost.

[95z6exCoupe]

yeah...I feel ya. I just dont really like debating/discussing(arguing here)on a computer screen...not for long, anyway.

[Noeladams]

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to this topic. We have huge prisons prob bigger then the town you live in filled to the gills with terrorists from Iraq. Remember the deck of cards that was issued to troops in Iraq with a face of a terrorist about a year ago? Well all but 2 have been caught in Iraq! So it is obvious you know nothing about this topic! I am being whole hearted when I say this, do some investigating before you make your next comment and you might change your mind on posting.

I see your concern for North Korea, but trust us when we say it is not an issue at this point in time, nor was it an issue 4 or so years ago!

i was curious to how many people got caught from that deck... good job.

[95z6exCoupe]

Quote:
Originally Posted by rexinre
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to this topic. We have huge prisons prob bigger then the town you live in filled to the gills with terrorists from Iraq. Remember the deck of cards that was issued to troops in Iraq with a face of a terrorist about a year ago? Well all but 2 have been caught in Iraq! So it is obvious you know nothing about this topic! I am being whole hearted when I say this, do some investigating before you make your next comment and you might change your mind on posting.

I see your concern for North Korea, but trust us when we say it is not an issue at this point in time, nor was it an issue 4 or so years ago!


...yeah, and we see how much that has stopped shit from happening over in Iraq. Guess they forgot to put a couple in their Terrorist Playing Card deck, huh?

[Rexinre]

...yeah, and we see how much that has stopped shit from happening over in Iraq. Guess they forgot to put a couple in their Terrorist Playing Card deck, huh?Actually they keep giving new lists to the soldiers over there. So yeah it has helped a lot. Just because the media doesn't say, "we caught another terrorist in Iraq today!" doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Give it some time you will see a big name caught on that terrorist list in the papers (IMO);).

[Rexinre]

i was curious to how many people got caught from that deck... good job.
Almost all of them, however they have updated the original list many time since then.

[95z6exCoupe]

Actually they keep giving new lists to the soldiers over there. So yeah it has helped a lot. Just because the media doesn't say, "we caught another terrorist in Iraq today!" doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Give it some time you will see a big name caught on that terrorist list in the papers (IMO);).

Yeah-but what I was getting at was that no matter how many lists they come up with-its not gonna solve anything. Unless they somehow kill 'em all(ideally), but that wont happen, its impossible. There will always be the ones out there who do not want us/democracy there, and always be people willing to die for their cause. So if these fucking idiots think blowing themselves up(and others) is honestly gonna solve anything for them-so be it-Lets just get our boys back home so they dont have to be standing there when it happens....


I got an idea for them, and its a good one since they insist that commiting suicide somehow makes them a martyr... We'll get them all together in one place, and have a mass-martyrdom hoe down where they all sit in a stadium and have us drop a fucking MOAB on them. Problem solved.

:werd:

[Rexinre]

Yeah-but what I was getting at was that no matter how many lists they come up with-its not gonna solve anything. Unless they somehow kill 'em all(ideally), but that wont happen, its impossible. There will always be the ones out there who do not want us/democracy there, and always be people willing to die for their cause. So if these fucking idiots think blowing themselves up(and others) is honestly gonna solve anything for them-so be it-Lets just get our boys back home so they dont have to be standing there when it happens....
I understand you concerns, but... We wouldn't give up on locking up murders/rapists and other offenders here in the states so why would we give up over there? We are trying to show the people over there how to walk the path of righteousness. Its working too, because the majority of the people over there are happy we are helping them and their society.

[95z6exCoupe]

I dont know...that doesnt really compare to the situation over there tho(murders/rapists). These people(insurgents, and some of the Iraqi people) do not think they are doing anything wrong, and most muderers/rapists know that they are doing something wrong. Of course we wouldnt want to stop prosecuting people for those crimes here in the US, but over there, they dont see themselves as doing anything wrong at all, they think they're just liberating themselves from an occupying country. So it probably wont stop-not until the "occupying county"(in there eyes)-is gone.

[infinatenexus]

they think they're just liberating themselves from an occupying country. So it probably wont stop-not until the "occupying county"(in there eyes)-is gone.

LMAO..... perhaps you should look into that a bit more.

[95z6exCoupe]

LMAO..... perhaps you should look into that a bit more.


...and perhaps you should elaborate on what you feel I'm missing here, instead of just saying that I should look into it more...

BTW, if you're meaning that I said we were the occupying country, well, thats quite clearly written to say totaly otherwise...I said in their eyes-we are.

What r your feelings on why they are doing this? It seems obvious that they are willing to do whatever it takes to get us out of there-and they're undermining what we are trying to do with their constant resistance/attacks. And they've threatened more attacks if the national elections go through at the end of this month. So, what am I missing here???

[Rexinre]

you are missing the fact that you think they are everyone in Iraq, when its just a few. Not to mention that not every terrest is from Iraq, some are from other counties in the surrounding areas.... its just that we (Americans) are in Iraq and it makes it an easier target.

Again the media has corrupted your mind, this doesn't make you a bad person... its just all too common. There are a lot of people out there who don't know.

[Rexinre]

There are hundreds of people out there who love what we did... I mean lets face it we liberated a whole country from a mass murderer, wouldn't you be happy?

[infinatenexus]

Once again rexinre, you hit the nail on the head.

[jb2178]

Bathists - used to be royalty in the country - didn't need to go to school or work and were taken care of because the leadership of the country was from their party - now they know they will have to actually contribute to society in the country in order to get anywhere - I guess I'd be upset too but then again I never belonged to a political party that stole from the poor to feed the rich... rotten fuckers

[95z6exCoupe]

you are missing the fact that you think they are everyone in Iraq, when its just a few. Not to mention that not every terrest is from Iraq, some are from other counties in the surrounding areas.... its just that we (Americans) are in Iraq and it makes it an easier target.

Again the media has corrupted your mind, this doesn't make you a bad person... its just all too common. There are a lot of people out there who don't know.


easy there killer!!! re-read a post or two ago...I clearly have stated several times durring this discussion that I realize that its "only a few" doing this shit(the insurgents and some of the people as well.). where did that come from that I thought otherwise???? I reread the posts and I never say that, infact several times I specifically bolded or italicized that to not confuse what I was saying. I am fully aware that the majority of the Iraqi people are elated that he(Hussein) is gone...I've also stated a couple of times that I dont belive everything the media says-anybody in these times would be a fool to belive just about anything they say, and I hope that one day more Americans will feel the way that both you and I do about that(the media).

I personally dont feel that our just being there alone makes us an easier target(although this is also true), what it is also doing is giving these people(insurgents) a reason(excuse) for doing these things, as they(insurgents) dont want us there-period. They(insurgents) dont believe in a democracy, or our way of thinking, and have shown that they will stop at nothing to insure that it doesnt happen in Iraq. They use religion as their basis for nearly everything they do over there-and it is a POWERFUL tool for them, as nearly everyone in the Mid-East is easily stirred(not to mention manipulated) when some idiot mentions their faith as their reasoning behind attacks, kidnapping/beheadings, etc., etc...

My main concerns on this this entire issue is time and American/Iraqi lives. How long will we be there and how many will die before their(fingers crossed) elected govnt can hold things down over there without us holding their hands? When will it ever be "ok" over there??? And what exactly is "ok"??? Is it how we see it as being all good, or them(Iraqi people) feeling that they are truly a democracy and free?????? They have been oppressed for an extremely long time, and have no idea how things "should" be, or what our view of a democracy is.

All it take over there is some religious zealot/extremist group twisting the words of the Koran around, and its game on again...I hope it works out over there, I really do. I just dont think we should be devoting the amount of lives and resources over there to make Iraq a better place, cause they never asked us to...and like I stated before, we're not going after other countries that have the same, if not worse, issues that Iraq had/has when we took power away from Saddam, and wonder just how far we(America) are willing to go, and how many American lives will be lost so that other countries can enjoy the freedoms that we do...is it worth it?

I personally joined the miltary to defend America...to protect our freedoms, and our way of thinking-for this country, and if that entails helping another country out that cannot help themselves, so be it. But there has to be a line drawn somewhere, and I feel this is it. Let them decide how they want to be ruled - without imposing our belief system -a system which was founded under much different circumstances, and this is the root of the problem with the insurgents. Thats why deep down inside-I dont feel this will work in the end.

[chasloa]

This debate is going nowhere fast.

First of all the objection to going after Saddam is not warranted. People make the false assumption that when we went to war it was only against Al Queada. In reality we all knew that we were going to war against all terrorists and all countries that harbor them. It is amazing that people still object to being in Iraq even after we have killed/captured so many terrorists in that country.

Stop believing that the war is only against Saddam. It is against all terrorrists, everywhere. It's a shitty situation, but you're gonna have to deal with it because it's reality. Believe me if we could just hide from it our leaders would do just that. But that would just compound the problem

[95z6exCoupe]

This debate is going nowhere fast.

First of all the objection to going after Saddam is not warranted. People make the false assumption that when we went to war it was only against Al Queada. In reality we all knew that we were going to war against all terrorists and all countries that harbor them. It is amazing that people still object to being in Iraq even after we have killed/captured so many terrorists in that country.

Stop believing that the war is only against Saddam. It is against all terrorrists, everywhere. It's a shitty situation, but you're gonna have to deal with it because it's reality. Believe me if we could just hide from it our leaders would do just that. But that would just compound the problem


...and I agree with you, its not just about Iraq(I was only responding to the previous post)...Over the past few years though, this war has gone nowhere fast as well. I mean, believing that we'll one day wipe the earth free of all terrorists is reaching pretty far...and no one wants to be at war forever, which is how long that would take. Bombs and missles and bullets are not gonna change the way these people think-ever-it will only empower their causes.

For every terrorist that we kill/capture, another pops up to take his place. Its almost like The War on Drugs( no debating the fact that this one is rediculous)...bust one guy, and ten more take his spot on the street-bust 10 tons of cocaine while another 100 tons makes it through...not exactly the same, but they're are similarities, such as the very assumption that you can fight an "idea" or inatimate object. We're fighting the "idea" of terrorism with bombs and bullets. Not an army, or an organized group-cause they're not. They're everywhere, independant of each other. They could be anyone, anywhere(especially as defined now by the previous and current Patriot Acts). Like the Drug War, it will never stop. Dealers, users, suppliers are not one organized group, and how do you fight that? The answer is-you cant(If there is a demand there will always be a supply). The majority of the people in jail are users-not suppliers. And the majority of the people dying from terrorism are innocent people-not terrorists. With regards to terrorism, same thing. They all have different beliefs, reasons, locations, methodologies, and tactics. There will always be SOMEONE pissed off for one reason or another at this country, and these new laws we're coming up with to combat it will only insure that this will be a never ending cycle, as they've broadened the playing field with the vague descriptions they have of what terrorism is. I just think there is a better way of dealing with it, like taking a good, long look at many of our policies in the Mid-East and around the world. Its a lot of these policies that they're angry at, and it quite possibly will never change until we do. Dont get me wrong, I dont believe terrorism is the way to get your point across, as it does nothing but kill innocents in the end. But I also feel that fighting a war against something that you cant physicaly destroy(their beliefs) is just as counter-productive and dangerous as terrorism itself. Wars are fought between armies and nations-not on ideologies and beliefs alone.

[infinatenexus]

Hey 95z6exCoupe, this is what I think of your opinion:

http://www.aseltine.com/rhee/

[95z6exCoupe]

Hey 95z6exCoupe, this is what I think of your opinion:

http://www.aseltine.com/rhee/


who in the hell was that and what the hell was that supposed to mean???

[infinatenexus]

who in the hell was that and what the hell was that supposed to mean???



LMAO....

[95z6exCoupe]

well, what is this? are you not capable of having a discussion/debate, without resorting to pictures and LMAO responces? I mean, in all honestly, I could take a picture of my hairy ass to show you how I feel about your opinions-but I'm not going to, as I'd much rather discuss/debate the issue(isnt that what this part of the site is for?)...you cant go two posts without getting all personal about the shit, you give up and say"...wah-your opinion sucks...boo hoo hoo..." "...now I'm gonna say you suck because you think like that..sob, boo hoo..." I havent done that(well, OK, once),so whats the deal? If you cant/wont discuss this without getting all shitty with me cause you dont like what I wrote, then dont discuss it at all. Its a debate-thats all. And I know for sure the many debates I've been in while in school, nobody resorted to name caling or bashing of the other guy cause you dont agree, thats the whole point of the debate-you "debate" whether or not you're right or not. ...Geez...Its not like I said something about your mom or anything....

[infinatenexus]

Read your post, your the one crying.. not I.

[seano]

Read your post, your the one crying.. not I.

You're being an ass when he is merely trying to have a grown up discussion. I guess you are not capable of that.

AND for anyone that took my comments at "close minded people" to mean "conservative", again you have assumed wrong. The comment in no way was directed at a group of people, it was directed towards a couple of SPECIFIC people. If you don't see that then you are assuming too much and looking too hard. Relax.

chasloa, You make good points that are very valid. However, when you say that people think we went to war to go after only Al Queda, I think you are slightly off personally. When we went to war, it was against terrorism, and specifically Al Queda and whoever harbored them. The reasons for going into Iraq, was allegedly us having intelligence that they had WMDs, and had cooperated with Bin Laden in the attacks. Both found to be false. Thats besides the point.

95z6exCoupe You make some good points regarding terrorists, fighting beliefs, etc.

[chasloa]

chasloa, You make good points that are very valid. However, when you say that people think we went to war to go after only Al Queda, I think you are slightly off personally. When we went to war, it was against terrorism, and specifically Al Queda and whoever harbored them. The reasons for going into Iraq, was allegedly us having intelligence that they had WMDs, and had cooperated with Bin Laden in the attacks. Both found to be false. Thats besides the point.

Just going off the theme set by the thread starter.

I know, after all the silly bickering, it's easy to forget what the thread was originally saying.

[infinatenexus]

You're being an ass when he is merely trying to have a grown up discussion. I guess you are not capable of that.


LMAO... yeah... Ok. I love how its ok to insult conservatives, but when the favor is returned in any way... people cry foul. Gotta love the double standard.


AND for anyone that took my comments at "close minded people" to mean "conservative", again you have assumed wrong. The comment in no way was directed at a group of people, it was directed towards a couple of SPECIFIC people. If you don't see that then you are assuming too much and looking too hard. Relax

So let me get this straight, you can cluster people together that you don't know, single them out, call them close minded, and its not considered an assumption?



The reasons for going into Iraq, was allegedly us having intelligence that they had WMDs

So tell me, where did they all go? Even the corrupt organization known as the United Nations(you know the agency that was on Saddams pay role) can't account of all of Iraq's WMD's? I know where they went, but the question is do you?

[seano]

You know where they went? Amazing. Why don't you call up the feds and let them know, cause they can't find them. Also, never did I say they weren't there... I merely said that this was the reason for going into Iraq. I like how you tried to spin it on me though. Go back, and re-read it. Anyone on this site can read the post you just quoted and clearly see that I posted the reason for going to Iraq. You lose that battle.

Where do I insult conservatives? Show me, specifically where I insult "conservatives" cause I don't see it anywhere. Again, you try to spin this into something it's not. Prove to me where I insulted conservatives please.

Cluster people together? Again, you SPIN this hardcore. I never clustered anyone together. I was aiming that at (do I need to say it again for you to understand?!!?) a couple of specific people... people that I have been debating with for quite some time now.

Your whole post is one big spin, turning everything I say into something it's not. I will gladly admit my being wrong if you can prove otherwise. I am sorry, but you will lose this battle.

cliff notes:
You turned everything I said into something it wasn't.
You need to do the following to prove your point:
1. Tell me where the WMDs are, so I can tell the feds and they will actually find them.
2. Show me where I insult conservatives. I assume it's in this thread somewhere? (i hope this isn't another "assumption" on your half)
3. Show me where I cluster people together and make assumptions. (when someone discredits someone else even before viewing his work, that's called close minded or ignorant, your choice.)

I look forward to you proving me wrong, or at least a grown up, intelligent response.

peaces.

[chasloa]

This thread has been out of hand for some time now. If someone is going to start a new thread on this topic can we please keep our thoughts somewhat organized?

[seano]

Good call chasloa. You deserve that admin spot! ;)