dynoed the z6 today!! 154 whp!!!

[robtec]

what do you think??only 3 runs..no setting at all..i was helping my bro tune his gs-r and the owner of the dyno let me make 3 runs for $25..this was the best of the runs(no setting at all)
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i put the mustang dyno stuff because mustang dynos and dynojets are not the same and mustang dynos usually read more hp and t than dynojets:?

[mwsol96]

Im only guessing you have quite abit of head work done along with a cam and springs + retainers. Just curious what your set up is.

[robtec]

Im only guessing you have quite abit of head work done along with a cam and springs + retainers. Just curious what your set up is.
sorry i forgot to post my setup:|

pg6b pistons-pm7 rods
crower stage 2 cam
skunk 2 im.
afpr (45 psi)
custom 3 inch intake
ractive 4-2-1 header images/smilie/icon_sad.gif
no cat
2.25-2.5 custom exhaust
xs ebay chip
act clutch
no p/s-a/c

[S Q A D]

damn nice man

whats next ?

[midnight]

you are wrong about the mustang reading more than a dyno jet. we have one here in our shop it reads 10% less than a dyno jet. BUT THEY ARE MORE ACCURATE THAN A DYNO JET!

good #s i hope to get that from from mine. also was that with sae corrected?

[HECDWS]

damn those are some good numbers. i wish i can get atleast that out of my project y8. and yes mustang dynos read less hp then a dynojet but are more accurate/consistent. how do i know you ask i operate on daily.

hector

[BseriesKllR]

wow thats pretty good makes power pretty high man i wonder what kinda numbers im making now.

[S Q A D]

i put the mustang dyno stuff because mustang dynos and dynojets are not the same and mustang dynos usually read more hp and t than dynojets:?
someone was lying to you

[mwsol96]

The only reason I guessed valve train work would be that the rpms didnt stop till 8 grand. Is it ok for the stock valve train to take 8k rpm's? Very nice numbers though.

[robtec]

thanks for the coments:)

next mod should be a good header(bisimoto or an-r),vafc and probably crower springs and retainers and a 4.9 final drive from exospeed

about the dyno stuff

i tested my car once on a dynojet it made 136whp.it was running low to mid 15s @90-91 mph,now i have a totally diferent setup,with no p&p head,but with a skunk 2 im and pg6b pistons..now it runs low 15s @91-92 mph,so now i think the motor is making a few more hp maybe 5hp,and that would be like 140 on a dynojet and the 154hp it made yesterday on the mustang dyno

what do you think?:?

[BseriesKllR]

The only reason I guessed valve train work would be that the rpms didnt stop till 8 grand. Is it ok for the stock valve train to take 8k rpm's? Very nice numbers though.
I hit the rev limiter with my b16 ecu which is like 8500 yesterday all stock internals just a cam. kinda wasnt paying attention.:smile: and robtec im guessing you will put 140's on a dynojet.

[midnight]

could be in you correction values. the mustang need to be set at 1.

hector: what model mustang do ya have. and where do ya work at?

[HECDWS]

we have the awd/2wd model md-awd-500. where located in clifton,nj. its nice when you can dyno any car or truck.

hector

[robtec]

i have on my pc a program that's named Run Viewer 7..i have a few files of runs(on a dynojet), basically the sames that are posted on hadamotorsport.com in their d-series section..any one know if i can save the runs made on a mustang dyno to analize them with the program??

[quickclutch]

I made a 126 on a dynapack. Anyone used one? I have herd they dyno low. My friend's 95ex with i/h/e only made 102. Is this dyno off???

My set up
i/h/e
crower 2
no head work
edelbrock im
gsr tb
aem ems
stock block

[robtec]

I made a 126 on a dynapack. Anyone used one? I have herd they dyno low. My friend's 95ex with i/h/e only made 102. Is this dyno off???

My set up
i/h/e
crower 2
no head work
edelbrock im
gsr tb
aem ems
stock block
i have heard that one too:?

there must be some site that explain all this..the diferences betwen dynos

[transzex]

ok, lets clear this up...........

the BEST dyno to measure your performance, is the one you BASELINED ON!!!!!!!!

Stick with one local shop/dyno if they do a good job. ANYONE can argue that Dynosheot did 15% more whp that a Mustamg dyno.............

Truth is, stick with one dyno machine, base you gains/losses on that machine.

Makes life easy.

BTW, My D15B7 that did 118 whp, did 320 TQ with me tweaking the sensors. Must level the field!!!!!!!!

[midnight]

ok, lets clear this up...........

the BEST dyno to measure your performance, is the one you BASELINED ON!!!!!!!!

Stick with one local shop/dyno if they do a good job. ANYONE can argue that Dynosheot did 15% more whp that a Mustamg dyno.............

Truth is, stick with one dyno machine, base you gains/losses on that machine.

Makes life easy.

BTW, My D15B7 that did 118 whp, did 320 TQ with me tweaking the sensors. Must level the field!!!!!!!!
word to the bone.

we have the md 550 without the awd setup. but its coming soon.

[robtec]

i will definetly keep on going to that dyno,the owner is a great person and treat people nice..no like the owner of the dynojet i use to visit..i will go again soon to fine tune the motor with a vafc and post the results *)

[transzex]

use whichever setup you have available and stick with it.

Will my next dyno numbers be close to my old ones???????

Hell no!!!!!!!!

It will be on a different setup!!!!!!!!!

IMHO the "best" dyno is a hill on the local interstate, loads the engine in 4th gear the same as the dynojet I tested on. The grade is consistant (' my grandfather did the final cutting!)

Note the flatspots in powerband (4th gear pull) and lean/rich spots in the rpm band (3rd gear with A/F meter) and tune for/around them.

What, think I had access to a killer setup????????

I do!!!!!! It is my BRAIN, I use it daily!!!!!!!

Tuning is a lost art with the "new crowd".......

Call them ricers, partslappers, wannabes, whatever.

Simple tuning with small parts will yield better gains that just simple bolt-ons without a clue.

[robtec]

use whichever setup you have available and stick with it.

Will my next dyno numbers be close to my old ones???????

Hell no!!!!!!!!

It will be on a different setup!!!!!!!!!

IMHO the "best" dyno is a hill on the local interstate, loads the engine in 4th gear the same as the dynojet I tested on. The grade is consistant (' my grandfather did the final cutting!)

Note the flatspots in powerband (4th gear pull) and lean/rich spots in the rpm band (3rd gear with A/F meter) and tune for/around them.

What, think I had access to a killer setup????????

I do!!!!!! It is my BRAIN, I use it daily!!!!!!!

Tuning is a lost art with the "new crowd".......

Call them ricers, partslappers, wannabes, whatever.

Simple tuning with small parts will yield better gains that just simple bolt-ons without a clue.
thanks for the advice:)

[N1hatch]

Any pics of the car ?? What car do you have ??

[robtec]

Any pics of the car ?? What car do you have ??
http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/1/web/493000-493999/493067_42_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/1/web/493000-493999/493067_43_full.jpg
not so clean engine bay:|

[gurusan]

nice!!!

[egOt]

i think it looks pretty sexy and it's still hella cleaner than mine

[Rexinre]

I like it, very clean. Nice job and nice #'s!

[Honda4VW]

Very nice, kind of numbers I am hoping for when im all done with my engine work (if I keep at it)

[Rexinre]

Who are you kidding Chris...You will get a turbo before that!

[Honda4VW]

Who are you kidding Chris...You will get a turbo before that!
Yeah, 300zx tt

[Rexinre]

Yeah, 300zx tt
Nice... I didn't say on your civic... hahaha

[S Q A D]

Yeah, 300zx tt
heheheh! b swapped del sol? who cares .....

v6 turbo

[Honda4VW]

v6 turbo
Why spend the 5 or so k to turbo a vr6, when it really is not a reliable base engine to begin with.

Plus I love the body style of the 300zx, always have...I want one, I will not take no for an answer!

BTW...rexinre...STOP IT! HeHe

[S Q A D]

BTW...rexinre...STOP IT! HeHeyou do know you have more posts them him right ? or are you talking about him being a :hijacked: nazi

[Honda4VW]

you do know you have more posts them him right ? or are you talking about him being a :hijacked: nazi
Yeah I know, but its hard to hold him off, and keep post informative, I don't want to start doing the old "1234567890" like SOHCbuilder has been doing.

[Rexinre]

Yeah I know, but its hard to hold him off, and keep post informative, I don't want to start doing the old "1234567890" like SOHCbuilder has been doing.
Hold me off, buddy I am not going to bed until I take you!

SOHCbuilder is working on building his 123's! Next is his ABC's!

[robtec]

thanks for the coments!:)

[evilfred]

congradulation on the work!!!

[SoHc 4 U]

yeah those are some nice numbers... im hoping mine will turn out good im half way to the dyno... i currently have a z6 in a hatch and i have 10:5:1 je pistons, eagle rods, zex stage 2 cam 53900 (i think), stage 2 clutch, skunk 2 chipped ecu, and then im gonna get crower stage 3 cam, adj cam gear, crower valvetrain kit and valves, and then vafc II... hope dyno will bring me over that mark well let me know of ne good ideas to add.... thanks, Anthony

[robtec]

yeah those are some nice numbers... im hoping mine will turn out good im half way to the dyno... i currently have a z6 in a hatch and i have 10:5:1 je pistons, eagle rods, zex stage 2 cam 53900 (i think), stage 2 clutch, skunk 2 chipped ecu, and then im gonna get crower stage 3 cam, adj cam gear, crower valvetrain kit and valves, and then vafc II... hope dyno will bring me over that mark well let me know of ne good ideas to add.... thanks, Anthony
good luck!!:)

[SoHc 4 U]

what u don't think i can do it or u being seriously??? i hate computers u can't tell if people are being serious or sarcastic

[BseriesKllR]

what u don't think i can do it or u being seriously??? i hate computers u can't tell if people are being serious or sarcastic
I think your gonna put less down....he has more compression and usually the first dyno trip is bad just like the first trip to the track.

[SoHc 4 U]

but i'll also have a bigger cam, be able to adjust timing, and set the vtec point at whatever and it didn't say if he was using a vtec controller or rpm activation module or what.... and i forgot to add a port n polished head......

[robtec]

what u don't think i can do it or u being seriously??? i hate computers u can't tell if people are being serious or sarcastic
no , you got me all wrong ,i am serious

i think that you should raise the cr a bit(11.5),use another program rather than the skunk 2,i am using a xs,i have the complete results from a chip comparo on a z6..and the j's racing,prospeed and xs where the best performers on the test

i don't know about the zex cam..i have never use it..in fact that was the cam that i was going to buy..but they were avaibable at the time i wanted it..so i ended with the crower stage 2 cam

the vafc II is a good idea i might get one soon

get a good im,no y8,a skunk 2 or a edelbrock

154hp is not that hard,11.5 cr(pg6b),good cam,good im and exhaust

keep in mind that mine's not tunned and the head is not p&p yet,so there's a few hp i am missing

your car should run better than my car with 154whp.look at BseriesKllR car! he is running in the mid 14s with a z6 with i, h, e,zex cam, 9.9:1 compression,imagine it with a 11.5 cr and some tunning!!

and again, good luck with your project

[zeus zore]

but seems like vtec crossover sucks ! lossin alot of midrange power !

[SoHc 4 U]

no , you got me all wrong ,i am serious

i think that you should raise the cr a bit(11.5),use another program rather than the skunk 2,i am using a xs,i have the complete results from a chip comparo on a z6..and the j's racing,prospeed and xs where the best performers on the test

i don't know about the zex cam..i have never use it..in fact that was the cam that i was going to buy..but they were avaibable at the time i wanted it..so i ended with the crower stage 2 cam

the vafc II is a good idea i might get one soon

get a good im,no y8,a skunk 2 or a edelbrock

154hp is not that hard,11.5 cr(pg6b),good cam,good im and exhaust

keep in mind that mine's not tunned and the head is not p&p yet,so there's a few hp i am missing

your car should run better than my car with 154whp.look at BseriesKllR car! he is running in the mid 14s with a z6 with i, h, e,zex cam, 9.9:1 compression,imagine it with a 11.5 cr and some tunning!!

and again, good luck with your project
thanks man yeah i just got the skunk 2 cause thats all i could find at the time.... but when i put the valve, valve springs and retainers im gonna put in a thinner headgasket to raise the compression some, and im gonna eventually get the skunk 2 im, i have a full 2.5 catback exhaust and cai, which helps some but i mean it will get there i know that.... if not the first time it will defentily bring it the second time and after all that im gonna put a fuel system on there like, fpr, fuel rail, injectors, and all that and then put a direct port nitrous kit on it :D i'll try and find some pics of the motor.....

[Arachnid]

probably wouldn't need the fuel rail unless you're pushing over 400hp.

[builthatch]

http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/1/web/493000-493999/493067_39_full.jpg
i finally figured out what's been bothering me about this graph, you know what's weird? both curves are on the same axis, yet the tq and hp dont cross at 5250....ive never seen that-

also, the torque peak is listed @ 6k, however, torque is at about 100 ft/lb @ that rpm...

it seems the rpm bars, for some odd reason, are shifted over.

weird.

also, read this about dynojet vs. mustang- http://www.hondaswap.com/~pills/mustangvsdynojet.html

[robtec]

i finally figured out what's been bothering me about this graph, you know what's weird? both curves are on the same axis, yet the tq and hp dont cross at 5250....ive never seen that-

also, the torque peak is listed @ 6k, however, torque is at about 100 ft/lb @ that rpm...

it seems the rpm bars, for some odd reason, are shifted over.

weird.

also, read this about dynojet vs. mustang- http://www.hondaswap.com/~pills/mustangvsdynojet.html (http://www.hondaswap.com/%7Epills/mustangvsdynojet.html) i shift them because the owner of the dyno ask me on the first pass ,that at what rpm i was going to let off the throtle,i said him at 8500 rpm,since that is the rev limiter on the ecu with the xs chip,so he programed some stuff on the dyno because of that,the first pass it made 150@7750,after that pass i asked him when my motor were not producing more hp,and he told me at 7800 so ,on the next two passes i let off the throtle at 7800,and that shifted the results a 7000 rpms,resulting like the one i atached,on the second pass it made 152hp with 50psi of fuel and on the third it made 154hp with 54 psi of fuel

i shifted the result to view them as they were suposed to be,that's what i think,because i told the operator that i was going to let goo of the trotle at 8500,and i did it only on the first pass,the other two were at 7800,it seem odd to me that at the fisrt pass it made peak at 7750 and the other two at 7000,until i realize that i may cause that,by leting go at 7800 instead of 8500

[robtec]

check this out i posted something about dynos on honda-tech on a thread about stage 2 cam for the d16z-y

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=994689&page=2

[lohatch]

hey robtec
did you do anything to the valve reliefs on the pg6b pistons??? i am looking at running them in my A6 with A6 head and a pretty agressive cam with specs pretty simular to this crane cam:251-0016
Advertise Duration: Int=242 / Exh=244
Duration @ .050: Int=216 / Exh=218
Lobe Separation: 110
Gross lift: 425/416
i am going to assemble it this weekend and i will clay it but i just wanted to know right now if you did anything to you valve reliefs????

[robtec]

hey robtec
did you do anything to the valve reliefs on the pg6b pistons??? i am looking at running them in my A6 with A6 head and a pretty agressive cam with specs pretty simular to this crane cam:251-0016
Advertise Duration: Int=242 / Exh=244
Duration @ .050: Int=216 / Exh=218
Lobe Separation: 110
Gross lift: 425/416
i am going to assemble it this weekend and i will clay it but i just wanted to know right now if you did anything to you valve reliefs????
check here: http://www.d-series.org/forums/showthread.php?t=11730

i didn't do anything with the valve reliefs