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paki
08-05-2004, 08:25 AM
i recently purchased a turbo kit which contained a garrett gt28 turbo n internal wastegate set at about 5.5 psi, e.l mani, charge pipes, oil lines water lines, bov, intercooler, 2.5 down pipe, generic air filter, map management unit( black box ) , 2 additional injectors which come installed in a 3 inch tbody spacer n a fuel management unit. this has been installed in a 2001 civic non vtec 1.5 ( d15y3 ). due to tax n the duty structure in this country the non vtecs are a 1.5 n the vtecs are 1.6. with the kit i got a 10 page manual which had the installation details n the last page had instructions for the fmu n this is how its printed;
1. MAX P +0.53kg R=5900
2. RPM PRESET =8500
3. DEL TIME =060 S ( TURBO TIMER )

4. BOOST IJ
p=0.0kg , t=1.8ms
p=0.1kg , t=2.8ms
p=0.2kg , t=3.2ms
p=0.3kg , t=5ms
p=0.4kg , t=6.6ms
p=0.5kg , t=8ms
p=0.6kg , t=10ms
p=0.7kg , t=13ms
p=0.8kg , t=14ms
p=0.9kg , t=15ms
p=1.0kg , t=17ms
p=1.1kg , t=19ms
p=1.2kg , t=21ms
p=1.3kg , t=23ms
p=1.4kg , t=24ms
p=1.5kg , t=25ms
p=1.6kg , t=26ms
p=1.7kg , t=27ms
p=1.8kg , t=28ms
p=1.9kg , t=29ms
p=2.0kg , t=30ms

5. RPM IJ
rpm=1500 , t=0ms
rpm=2000 , t=0ms
rpm=2500 , t=0ms
rpm=3000 , t=0ms
rpm=3500 , t=0ms
rpm=4000 , t=0ms
rpm= 4500 , t=0ms
rpm= 5000 , t=0ms
rpm= 5500 , t=0ms
rpm= 6000 , t=0ms
rpm= 6500 , t=0ms
rpm= 7000 , t=0ms
rpm= 7500 , t=0ms
rpm= 8000 , t=0ms

6. ADJUST RATE =68%
7. PRE LIMIT =0.8KG
8. ACYC=17 , T=1.8MS

now if i insert these numbers in the fmu the car just sputters at 4000 rpms n doesnt go beyond that. if i increase the time, t , at every boost point n the time, t , at every rpm increment then the car gets better. i havent changed the adjust rate n the ACYC since i have no idea what they mean. the boost time n rpm time can be increased by 0.2 ms till 51 ms being the highest point. what i dont understand is that sometimes the car performs better at part throttle than wot. what is the correct way to tune with such functions, now i know that having the car dynod is the best way to tune a car but since we have no dynos in this country i am left with no other option but to ask ull.
forgive me for this awfully long post but i thought it was best that i explain the whole scenario. any feed back will be much appreciated.
thanx in advance.
btw this kit was bought from a supplier in thailand.

pitchblacktyper
08-05-2004, 11:02 AM
i personally have never heard of the kit you are talking about. the tables you listed about are greek to me but possible d series science, bizzar, or transzex may know.. they are a little more rounded on this than me

98civicEXT
08-05-2004, 12:16 PM
Wow, you need a descipher code for that setup :D Just kidding. What you need to know is that it looks like the secondary injector pulse in milliseconds at a given boost pressure and RPM table seperate. Why it's running better at partial throttle is ; maybe the secondary injectors are spitting out to much fuel when combined with the primaries when at WOT but not at partial.

What you need is a wideband O2 guage for datalogging. AEM has one, Plexor, FLOJO. But you really need to get one of these units to actually see if your running to rich or lean. No other way to really tune it.

paki
08-06-2004, 10:15 PM
i dont have a check valve. i removed the map management unit n there was no sputtering but the car hits the limiter at 3500 rpms n if i just remove the additional injectors n leave the map unit in then it still sputters. my boost gauge shows 7 psi by 6000rpms then it drops to 6.5 when i redline. the tables in my fmu for boost injection n rpm injection are they both for the additional injectors? secondly an increase in time,T, in ms would mean the longer the injectors will remain open or vice versa. i checked my ecu # n its a PLC . should i increase the injector time or decrease for better performance. i know this is way to hard to tune without a dyno but since there arent ny here i dont have a choice. need some feedback, thanx in advance

spoolinHatch
08-07-2004, 03:34 PM
the kit i believe is from turbo specialties....the tsi kit..i was thinking about that kit myself

konigcivic
08-07-2004, 04:58 PM
id say the best thing to do is call the place who sold it to you or the place that makes it.. there should be a phone number on the instruction sheet somewhere.. that looks like one complicated thing you have there.. good luck man

paki
08-08-2004, 09:51 AM
well i put a resistor in the map sensor wiring n removed the map management unit ( black box ) n kept the additional injectors n their fmu intact . i drove the car n there was no cel n it went smooth. played a bit with the fmu settings n the car is a lot better now with smoother transitions n just a rare amount of sputtering. now i can feel that 6 psi coming out of the turbo now. i guess it was the map unit which was screwing it all up, anyways ill remove the resistor n put in a check valve n further fine tune the car. in future i plan 2 install rsx injectors n tune them with the safc.
i thank ull for the feedback n will update ull on the ride n im open to all opinions n tips.
thanx